again, as they say, it's better to be safe than sorry. and just before we go, let's get a reminder of the top story we're following for you. ukraine says it has launched, it's long anticipated attempt to retake the southern region of her son. moscow says it is the wording offensive and inflicting heavy casualties. this time we're stay tuned for the business headlines coming up next with my colleague stephen beardsley. of course, there's always more on our website, d, w dot com or on social media. that's actually the news. i'm quite richardson in for lynn. thank you so much for watching. oh people and trucks injured one, trying to see the city center more and more refugees are being turned away as the border families playing on the tags in syria to the credit owners

with extreme around getting 200 people around the world. more than 300000000 people are seeking refuge. yes. why? because no one should have to flee. make up your own mind. w. made for mines. ah. ah. the outgoing un commission for human rights has overseen a complex international situation. her 4 year tenure here in geneva, and she joins me now on the w news. thank you so much for being with us. michelle

vasily, happy to. let's start with ukraine. the war has raged on for 6 months now. we've seen a litany of accusations against the russian troops against the russian government, accusations of human rights violations. recently, there's been reports of trials of prisoners of war. what has your office, what does this office have the power to do to prevent such violation? well, the 1st thing that we do is, and we're doing it before the war since 2014, we have a special mission mission there. there has been reporting on, on violation of human rights. and we had offices all over a crane at that time. and we still have some in the bonus and you know, differ. so we have been reporting since the was started. we have been able to report casualties. the people who have been killed, we have. we always report on cases that we can verify all the allegations. so we have been able to give to the press but also the security council, the human rights council, information that is reliable on, i mean, of course,

maybe it's not the whole information because of the formation you can get on the ground on. and we believe that there has been more than 5700 people killed. and 13477 civilians. casualties of those 70890 injures and of those oneself and children have been killed. so it's a terrible thing. people have suffered so much and we have been trying to do different things. we have been working, i mean, we in the ground speaking out in informing the world this things that's happening. calling on the parties to stop calling and putting to stop the war. calling on on, on, on, on the part is to respect the situation of for prisoners of war. and we have been also trying to access claim we have had full access to the trials. we have seen that how the chance of the pillow and if the people of war has been having the

respect they deserve, according to the national rules. but in russia we have not or in the pro ration our roots control areas. we have not been able to have access to how can justice be brought in the human rights violations relating to the war. and you will, the 1st thing is to have the information, then that's one of the things i have. the evidence should be preserved. that's one of the things we have call we have on the ground. our colleagues are working with the prosecutors of faith with everyone calling to preserve the evidence, particularly when it comes to the i c. c. for example, you need to ensure that the evidence can be really useful for that officials in for criminal investigation. and of course, this is something that they have receive a lot of support from different european expert to be able to support the forensic activity and all the issue of the criminal investigation for the i. c can really do their job. but we also have another mechanism that is the commission of inquiry of

the human rights council does not a criminal investigation, because if you will investigation who would be fine if there war crimes or who has to be held accountable, which the potatoes are, etc, etc. but the commission of inquiry will also be able to collect a lot of information that could be useful to the i c. c or any other even national trials. in the case of the international criminal court. ready involvement, and the investigation of the prosecutor of the call in the hague. though russia isn't a states party of the international criminal court is all of this not completely toothless. they will never respect the judgements they will never extradite people that are indicted by that court. after this investigation, so what's the point? well, crane is also another part of the, of the treaty is out of the wrong treaty, but they have accepted that, that this investigation will go on. they say the agreement between a crane and the i. c. c. well, i think it, it, it,

it will not probably be easy, but the truth can be known and you know what many times it is not from when they to another. but then sometimes this is not something that people forget. for example, if you see in the case of maria mar, was also not a member of the wrong status or the gambia decided that there is universal, you fictions on this and brought to the, to, to the, to russia tribunal the case. so even though it's some countries not a member, and so it's not as easy, maybe that with the country as a member, i will not be wanted to cooperate. i think that justice can vapor, you mentioned mere mother. it's 5 years now. since the ring of minority were the violence against them, forced them to flee 700000 people. the reports of the situation on the ground in

bangladesh, in the camps where they are staying, which you have visited, are frankly atrocious. murder, gangs being operated, their gender base violence, rum from crime everywhere. how can this situation be improved when the human rights situation is so terrible? well, i mean, the 1st thing i want to say, unfortunately, in me a marless vision has not improved. on the contrary, i mean, you saw that at the beginning was again the regina that afterwards, after the coup d'etat that had my though i started to repress sir, violently. and all the people who were against the corp, all those young people calling for recognition of the result of the elections. but also they started then to find that that was not enough because of the constitution . the change is will be over and over again. and, and today in the a month, we have a country who's not completely controlled by that, that ma,

though there is this national unity government with the national defense forces they created. and that's also the can i me fighting to another. so it's really unstable. the situation of a huge number of people in, for me in really need of humanitarian assistance. so why i'm saying that having, being close by thought is true, that those issues exist. but i mean, there is still, i saw camps will organize people living in safe condition is that if they go back home. so of course, difficult to take care of people, but i went and saw kids learning would be learning mathematics. i say, mentoring just leaders. i'm a young people, i mean women and we discuss about all these difficulties and all this challenges. but let me tell you something that you had 2 people, but a lot of people dream to go back. and they said, we need you to help us to go back. we need to be reported. unfortunately,

i don't see it in the near future. and i think the community should not abandon me . i'm or more concretely needs to happen than what could provide some ray of hope for the refugees in bangladesh for a resolution within me amount itself. what i've been doing is to send that to the voice of the voiceless to advocate for the rigging. and against me, i'm redeem that is violating human rights. i've been calling the international community to be stronger. but i've been trying to identify which could be the incentive for the tut mother to leave power, because now they have political power, military power, economic power. so i think we need to continue pressing them in a way that they understand that the only possible way sufficient to democracy and to leave the power and to leave it to the people. tony nice to china, you have been on the heavy, heavy criticism for

a delayed report into the week of minority and change time. people say that the chinese government has put under pressure on other countries, massive pressure on your office. it's still a huge issue. what is the truth behind this? why has this report taken so long? well, 1st of all, because this was an assessment, not mandated by the council, so that there has no no deadline on that. we have to present that in some moment or another, but it had to be said that when it's ready, the 1st thing. the 2nd thing is that if you remember in march this year, the give we get into agreement for a visit my visit. but before that, the technical group who will go into the ground and see all the places we should go and look at if they all began with their so we could make a meaningful visit then. and so that was a priority on the, the time a call. we'll continue working on the assessment. then we came back and then we

have continue working, reviewing, looking at what are findings in the visit where and if in which way they could fit into into the report. but then after that we had a draft and we shared with them with government, with the vision. and as we do with every country we have, we have had the same procedure which i know with any other country in the world. and then we had give them a time and normal time to bring back factual comments and to review them. and if it's appropriate to include it on the report or to, to look at where those fact means. we have received recently a big numbers of facts, comments, and we are reviewing it and looking at it vigorously or violently as the chinese government opposed this report. well, they have done what every country thus they have done. they have sent a letter that has been publicly known by re signed by them and like 40 or 50

countries asking for the not publication. but i have to tell you, i have received so many other letters, meetings, interviews with other countries who want me to public aid it so and into as well. so i have to say we are working on this as we always do with using them for dollars due to coffee. so the high commissioner, we have a colleagues, lawyers who have a great experience on all these things and pressures won't be fine. what will happen with the report you'll predispose says i, loud. he's saying was often accused of being way too hard on human rights issues and getting block types of certain countries. you, i think broadly has been perceived to someone who perhaps specifically on this china issue has been acquiesced and having a hard enough your time is turn up. what is the right way for this office, this you an office for human rights to be run?

well, to be honest, i think it's, it's unfair, the comment on china because we have it sticking out and in, on the situation and the bed in hong kong, etc. but okay, i would think it will be a chain if the not only myself because my work is also bill office work that we could be look at only because through the end of $11.00 country when we have been dealing with conscious countries all this time i truly believe this, suppose where you have to be the voice of the voice. but you also have to engage comments because it is see, it is the possibility of governments of the state organizations, governments, parliament and of course to the shall system. but the government itself to respect and promote human rights. so it's very easy to just speak. but maybe that doesn't change anything. i don't want just to be this because when is near,

i do it. don't have any doubt that that have done it. but maybe i won't outcomes because just to pick out and have no change for me is not enough. un commissioner search human rights. michelle ashley, thank you so much for joining us on the w news. thank you very much. what's happening in she lane? it could soon become a more modern and progressive country. newly elected left as president gabrielle borage is planning major social reform. but pinochet's legacy cast a very long shadow. changing of the guard in she lay close on on d w. ah

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