to, let's start with ukraine. the war has raged on for 6 months now. we've seen a litany of accusations against the russian troops against the russian government, accusations of human rights violations. recently, there's been reports of trials of prisoners of war. what has your office, what does this office have the power to do to prevent such violation? well, the 1st thing that we do is, and we're doing it before the war since 2014, we have a special mission mission there. there has been reporting on, on violation of human rights and we had offices all over a crane at that time. i will still have some in the bonus and you know, differ. so we have been reporting since the was started. we have been able to report casualties, the people who have been killed, we have. we always report on cases that we can verify all the allegations. so we have been able to give to the press but also the security council, the human rights council, information that it's reliable on. i mean, of course,

maybe it's not the whole information because of the formation you can get on the ground on. and we believe that there has been more than 5700 people killed. and 13477 civilians. casualties of those 70890 injures and of those oneself and children have been killed. so it's a terrible thing. people have suffered so much and we have been trying to do different things. we have been working, i mean, we in the ground speaking out in informing the world, the things that's happening. calling on the parties to stop calling and putting to stop the war. calling on on, on, on, on the card is to respect the situation of prisoners of war. and we have been also trying to access claim we have had full access to the trials. we have seen that how the chance of the pillow and if the people of war has been having the respect they do serve according to the international rules. but in russia we are not or in the

pro ration our roots control areas. we have not been able to have access to how can justice be brought in the human rights violations relating to the war and ukraine? well, the 1st thing is to have the information. then that's one of the things i have. the evidence should be preserved. that's one of the things we have call we, i mean, on the ground our colleagues are working with the prosecutors of faith with everyone calling to preserve the evidence, particularly when it comes to the i c. c. for example. you need to ensure that the evidence can be really useful for that officials for investigation. and of course, this is something that they have receive a lot of support from different european expert to be able to support the forensic activity and all the issue of the criminal investigation for the i. c. c can really do their job. but we also have another mechanism that is the commission of inquiry over human rights council does not have criminal investigation because if you will

investigation who will define if there war crimes or who has to be held accountable, which the potatoes are, etc, etc. but the commission of inquiry will also be able to collect a lot of information that could be useful to the i c. c, or any other even national trials. in the case of the international criminal court involvement and the investigation of the prosecutor of the call in the have though russia isn't a states party of the international criminal court is all of this not completely toothless. they will never respect the judgements they will never expedite people that are indicted by that court after this investigation. so what's the point? why? okay, and it's also another part of the treaty, the wrong treaty, but they have accepted that this investigation will go on. they say agreement between a crane and the i. c. c. well, i think it's, it,

it will not probably be easy. but the truth can be known. and you know what many times it is not from one day to another. but then sometimes this is not something that people forget. for example, if you see in the case of maria mar, was also not a member of the wrong. it is that the gambia decided that there is universal use fiction on this and brought to the to, to, to russia tribunal the case. so even though it is some countries not a member, and so it's not as easy, maybe that with the country as a member, i will not be wanted to cooperate. i think that justice can vapor, you mentioned mir mother. it's 5 years now. since the ring of minority were the violence against them, forced them to flee 700000 people. the reports of the situation on the ground in

bangladesh, in the camps where they are staying, which you have visited, are frankly atrocious. murder, gangs being operated, their gender base violence, rum from crime everywhere. how can this situation be improved when the human rights situation is so terrible? well, i mean, the 1st thing i want to say, unfortunately, in me a marla station has not improved. on the contrary, i mean, you saw that at the beginning was again the regina that afterwards, after the coup d'etat that had my though i started to repressor violently, and all the people who were against the coup, all those young people calling for recognition of the result of the elections, but also they started identifying that that was not enough because if the constitution then change is will be over and over again. and until they in miramar, we have a country who's not completely controlled by that, that model. this is national unity government with the national defense forces that

created. and that's also the can i me fighting the term adults. so it's really unstable. the situation of a huge number of people in, for me in really need of humanitarian assistance. so why i'm saying that having being caused by thought is true, that those issues exist, but i mean, there is still, i saw camps will organize people living in safe condition is that if they go back home. so of course it's difficult to take care of all of those people, but i went and saw kids learning will be learning mathematics. i meant that he just leaders, i am a young people, i made women and we discuss about all these difficulties and all this challenges. but let me tell you something that you had 2 people, but a lot of people dream to go back. and they said, we need you to help us to go back. we need to be reported. unfortunately,

i don't see it in the near future. and i think the community should not abandon me . i'm or more concretely needs to happen than what could provide some ray of hope for the refugee him bangladesh for a resolution within me and myself. what i've been doing is to send that to be the voice of the voice less to advocate for the rigging. and against me, i'm redeem that is violating human rights. i've been calling the international community to be strong. good. but i've been trying to identify which could be the incentives for the tut mother to leave power, because now they have political power, military power, economic power. so i think we need to continue pressing them in a way that they understand that the only possible way sufficient to democracy and to leave the power and to leave it to the people. tony nice to china, you have been on the heavy, heavy criticism for

a delayed report into the week of minority in change time. people say that the chinese government has put under pressure on other countries must have pressure on your off this. it's still a huge issue. what is the truth behind this? why has this report taken so long? well, 1st of all, because this was an assessment, not mandated by the council, so that there has no no deadline though. we have 2 percent that in some moment on another, but it had to be said that when it's ready, the 1st thing. the 2nd thing is that if you remember in march this year, the if we get into agreement for a visit with when my basic but before that the technical group who will go into the ground and see all the places we should go and look at. if they all began with their so we could make a meaningful visit then. and so that was a priority on the, the time a call. we'll continue working on the assessment. then we came back and then we

have continue working, reviewing, looking at what are findings in the visit where and if in which way they could fit into into the report. but then after that we had a draft and we shared with them with government, with the vision. and as we do with every country we have, we have had the same procedure with china with any other country in the world. and then we had give them a time and normal time to bring back factual comments and to review them. and if it's appropriate to include it on the reports or to, to look at where those fact means. we have received recently a big numbers of facts, comments, and we are reviewing it and looking at it, how viciously or violently has the chinese government opposed this report? well, they have done what every country, thus they have done. they have sent a letter that has been publicly known by it signed by them and like 40 or 50

countries asking for the publication. but i have to tell you, i have received so many other letters, meetings, interviews with other countries who want me to public aid it so and, and jules as well. so i have to say we are working on this as we always do with using them for dollar deal, the coffee. so the high commissioner, we have a colleagues, lawyers who have a great experience on all these things and pressures won't be fine. what will happen with the report your pre says aloud. hussein was often accused of being way too hard on human rights issues and getting block time of certain countries you, i think broadly has been perceived to someone who perhaps specifically on this china issue has been acquiesce. and having a hard enough, your term is turned up. what is the right way for this office, this you an office for human rights to be run?

well, to be honest, i think it's, it's unfair, the comment on china because we have it sticking out. and in, on the situation and the bed in hong kong, etc. but ok, i would think it would be a chain if the not only myself because my work is also louisville office work that we could be look at only because through the end of $11.00 country when we have been dealing with conscious of countries, all this time, i truly believe this, suppose where you have to be the voice of the voice. but you also have to engage comments because it is see, it is the possibility of governments of the state organizations, governments, parliament and of course to the shall system. but the government itself to respect and promote human rights. so it's very easy to just speak. but maybe that doesn't change anything. i don't want just to be this speaker. when is news? i do it. don't have any doubt of that and have done it. but maybe i won't outcomes

because just because then have no change for me is not enough. you're in commissioner 1st human rights. michelle bachelor. thank you so much for joining us on the w news. thank you very much. ah ah with ah, a beginning of

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