let's start with ukraine. the war has raged on for 6 months now. we've seen a litany of accusations against the russian troops against the russian government, accusations of human rights violations. recently, there's been reports of trials of prisoners of war. what has your office, what does this office have the power to do to prevent such violations? well, the 1st thing that we do is, and we're doing it before the war since 2014, we have a special mission mission there. there has been reporting on, on violation of human rights and we had offices all over a crane at that time. we still have some in the bonus and you know, differ. so we have been reporting since the was started. we have been able to report casualties. the people who have been killed, we have, we always report on cases that we can verify all the allegations. so we have been able to give to the press, but also the security council, the human rights council. information that is reliable on, i mean, of course,

maybe it's not the whole information because of the formation you can get on the ground on and we believe that there has been more than 5700 people killed. and 13477 civilians. cash for these of those 70890 injures and of those oneself and children has been killed. so it's a terrible thing. people have suffered so much and we have been trying to do different things. we have been working, i mean, we in the ground speaking out in informing the world this things that's happening. calling on the parties to stop calling and putting to stop. the war calling on, on, on, on, on the part is to respect their, the situation of prisoners of war. and we have been also trying to access claim we have had full access to the trials. we have seen that the chance of the pillow and if the people of war has been having the respect they deserve to the international

rules. but in russia we are not all in the pro ration our roots control areas. we have not been able to have access to how can justice be brought in the human rights violations relating to the war. and you will, the 1st thing is to have the information, then that's one of the things i have. the evidence should be preserved. that's one of the things we have call we have on the ground. our colleagues are working with the prosecutors of faith with everyone calling to preserve the evidence, particularly when it comes to the i c. c. for example, you need to ensure that the evidence can be really useful for the official intent for criminal investigation. and of course, this is something that they have receive a lot of support from different european expert to be able to support the forensic activity and all the issue of the criminal investigation for the i. c can really do their job. but we also have another mechanism that is the commission of inquiry of the human rights council does not a criminal investigation,

because if you will investigation who will define if there war crimes or who has to be held accountable, which the potatoes are, etc, etc. but the commission of inquiry will also be able to collect a lot of information that could be useful to the i c. c, or any other even national trials. in the case of the international criminal court involvement and the investigation of the prosecutor of the call in the have though russia isn't a states party of the international criminal court is all of this not completely toothless. they will never respect the judgment. they will never extradite people that are indicted by that court after this investigation. so what's the point? what? ok, and it's also another part of the tv. it's the wrong treaty, but they have accepted that this investigation will go on. they say agreement between a crane and the i. c. c. well, i think it will not probably be easy,

but the truth can be known. and you know what many times it is not from one day to another. but then sometimes this is not something that people forget said. for example, have you seen the case with me and mar, whistles were not a member of the wrong status. the gambia decided that there is universal use fiction on this and brought to the to, to the, to national trevino's the case. so even though in some countries, not a member, and so it's not as easy, maybe that with the country as a member, i will not be wanted to cooperate. i think that justice can be pro, you mentioned me and me all that it's 5 years now. since the rank of minority were the violence against them, forced them to flee 700000 people. the reports of the situation on the ground in

bangladesh and the camps where they are staying, which you have visited, are frankly atrocious. murder, gangs being operated that gender base violence, rum can crime everywhere. how can this situation be improved when the human rights situation is terrible? well, i mean, the 1st thing i want to say unfortunately, in a modernization has not improved. on the contrary, i mean you saw that at the beginning with again to redeem us towards after the call, the top that had mother started to repress, violently. all the people who were against the coup, all those young people calling for recognition of the result of the elections. but also they started identifying that that was not enough because of the constitution . the in change is will be over and over again. and, and today in the a my, we have a country who is not completely control, but at that though, there is this national unity government with the national defense forces that

created. and that's also the, can i, me fighting to another. so it's really unstable to situation, plus a huge number of people in coming in really in need of humanitarian assistance. so why i'm saying that having, being close by thought is true, that those issues exist, but i mean, there is still, i saw camps will organize people living in safe condition is that if they go back home. so of course, difficult to take care of all of those people, but i went and saw kids learning would be learning mathematics. i say mentally, just leaders, i'm a young people, i mean women and we discuss of all over the difficulties and oldest challenges. but let me tell you something that you had 2 people, but most of the people dream to go back. and they said, we need you to help us to go, but we need to be repetitive. and fortunately, i don't see it in the near future. and i think the community should not abandon me

. i'm, or what concretely needs to happen them. what could provide some ray of hope for the refugee him bangladesh for a resolution within me amount itself. what i've been doing is to send them to the, the voice of the voiceless to advocate for the rigging against me. redeem that is violating human rights. i've been calling the international community to be stronger. but i've been trying to identify which could be the incentives for the tut mother to leave power, because now they have political power, military power, economic power. so i think we need to continue pressing them in a way that they understand that the only possible way sufficient to democracy and to leave the power and to leave it to the people. tony nice to china, you have been on the heavy, heavy criticism for

a delayed report into the week and minority in change time. people are saying that the chinese government has put under pressure on other countries. massive pressure on your office. it's still a huge issue. what is the truth behind this? why has this report taken so long? first of all, because this was an assessment, not mandated by the council, so that there have no no deadline or we have 2 percent that in some moment on another. but it had to be said that when it's already the 1st thing, the 2nd thing is that if you remember in march this year, the if we get into agreement for a visit, visit with my visit. but before that, the technical group who will go into the ground and see all the places we should go and look at if they all the guarantees were there. so we could make a meaningful visit then. and so that was a priority on the being time a call. we'll continue working on the assessment. then we came back and then we

have continue working, reviewing, looking at what are findings in the visit where and if in which way they could fit into into the report. but then after that we had a draft and we shared with them with government, with the vision. and as we do with every country we have, we have had the same procedure with china with any other country in the world. and then we had give them a time and normal time to bring back factual comments and to review them. and if it's appropriate to include it on the report or to, to look at what those fact means. we have received recently and big numbers of facts, comments, and we are reviewing it and looking at it viciously or violently. has the chinese government opposed this report? well, they have done with every country, thus they have at done. they have sent a letter that has been publicly known by re it's signed by them and like 40 or 50

countries asking for the not publication. but i have to tell you, i have received so many other letters, meetings, interviews with other countries. want me to publish it so and in deals as well. so i have to say we are working on this as we always do with using their methodology of the they had the coffees of the high commissioner. or we have a colleagues, lawyers who have a great experience, all these things and pressures want define it or what, what will happen with the report, your predecessors i rollout who same is often accused of being way too hard on human rights issues and getting blocked out of certain countries you, i think broadly have been perceived to someone who perhaps specifically on this china issue has been aquesam perhaps not hard enough. your term is the term is up here. um, what is the right way for this office, this you an office for human rights to be run?

well, to be honest, i think it's, it's unfair that comment on china because we have been speaking out an in, on the situation, anti bed in, in hong kong, etc. but okay, well i would think it would be a chain if the not only myself because my work is also the whole office work. and that we could be look at only because through the lens of what, when country, when we have been dealing with punches of a countries all this time. i truly believe this. suppose where you have to be the boys of the boys indeed. but you also have to engage governments because it is the, it is the responsibility of governments and of the state organization. governments are parliament and of course to the show system, but government itself to respect and promote human rights. so it's very easy to just speak. but maybe that doesn't change anything. i no one just to be this speaker. when is news i do it. don't have any doubt of that and have done it. but

maybe i won't outcomes because just because then have no change for me is not enough. you're in commissioner 1st human rights, michelle bachelor. thank you so much for joining us on the w. news. thank you very might. ah, ah, with ah, a battery

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