you dot com ah flood waters as far as the i can see, a 1000 people dead, millions homeless, a 3rd of pakistan is under water after what the head of the you win is calling a mon soon on steroids. now clean up and rebuilding costs are already estimated at $10000000000.00. pakistan's politics are ready dysfunctional, its economy crippled, ad climate change. and the tragic result is pakistan. the perfect storm. i'm bring golf and berlin. this is the day. ah, no problem. what can i do except crying? i don't know where to go in the front line for the grounds. you this crisis.

i'm helpless. this is the full page of climate change. so that is becoming more extreme than if we have nothing to eat. my son is 2nd, it people have actually lost the complete, lively or not. i have to take care of my children and my grandchildren. access to assistance is difficult. we have no leave. i had nearly 1000000 homes have been damaged dealing with those of the month. i have no one but gone in to help me with also coming up one year ago today, u. s. troops withdrew from afghanistan for many, the trauma of that moment. it hasn't gone anywhere. i mean, i think everybody say, hey, we want all the battles, but we lost the war. but i think it's more that the latin which fell flat are not word. arc nation acted in a dishonorable way. and the generals in the senior staff officers and all the

people in the white house, and they're the ones who made those decisions. and i don't know a service hammer that just doesn't absolutely abhor them. which of our viewers watching on p b. s. in the united states, into all of you around the world, welcome, we begin the day surveying the worst flooding in the history of pakistan. it is difficult to describe the extent of destruction caused by a combination of severe drought, followed by monster monsoon reigns to night. a 3rd of pakistan is submerged. 33000000 people are now in need of shelter. food and medicine on this map shows the vast areas impacted by the floods stretching across the entire length of the country in the south. much of pakistan's bread, basket provinces. while they're now under water, hopes of any harvest or drowning in growing fears of food shortages,

a village underwater in pakistan, sind province, one of several key agricultural regions that now resemble small oceans. many people here were poor before the floods came. now they've lost almost everything in those areas that are dry, makeshift camps. how's those displaced by the water and farmers salvage what they can from their fields? pakistan's climate minister says the flooding is apocalyptic, and that her country is bearing the brunt of climate change caused by more develop nations. boxes than is less than one percent in the global emissions up by if you like. we hardly contribute any of emissions to the broader emission blanket that makes so for greenhouse gases to turn our climates

into a living hill. in the northern pakistani city of la horror, the effects of the floods are being felt in soaring prices for food and other basic goods. philip cures, if prices have increased a lot because of the floods relative thank his goods can't be transported from baluchistan. the roads are close iffy. my, our business here is almost slow to a star bodies that are built while people can't feed their children, can't pay their rent. so got there. can even pay electricity. bill should i have the old prices of w. i back got a sec, they're supposed double mendera the floods could not have come at a worse time for pakistan where the economy was already in crisis. now the government says it needs more than $10000000000.00 to recover from this latest climate catastrophe. ah, to day one year ago, the last u. s. military plane departed afghanistan,

ending america's longest war. the withdrawal was sudden, just like the surrender of the entire afghan army to the taliban. or in the chaotic weeks of early august, u. s. troop numbers had dwindled and the taliban, they were closing in the u. s. military flu, more than a 100000 people out of the country. in what became the largest air lift in history . you may remember this is the last american soldier to leave afghanistan boarding a flight that carried military personnel as well as the u. s. ambassador. the taliban quickly took over the airport after that plane took off a pirated equipment that had been left behind by the americans and their nato allies. much of that equipment, of course, had been destroyed to make sure that the taliban would never use it. the events of one year ago, especially those horrific scenes at the cobble airport. they still haunt many former us military personnel. t w's stefan simons is in seattle,

washington to night. he brings us the story of to us veterans who served in the afghan war u. s. army ranger veteran matthew griffin doesn't need visual reminders of what transpired in august last year. c the images of desperate afghans at cobble airports tried to flee the country as taliban fighters took over, are burned in his memory and carved into his conscience. he says that moment it broke me and i had to reach out to a couple friends, a local small business. they offered up a board room, which we set up a command center and i had army rangers, navy seals green to raise and a bunch of civilians come in and we set up a full on command center. griff, as everybody calls him, his friends and comrades went into overdrive, trying to help bring as many afghans out as possible. people they had worked with,

fought with, bled for, cried and laughed with griffith. and many others are still upset about how the u. s . conducted their withdrawal from afghanistan. i don't know, a service member that isn't are set. and it's not that the law. i mean, i mean, everybody say, hey, we want all the battles. booker lost the war. but i think it's more the, the lack of which fell flat on our word arc nation, acted in a dishonorable way. and the generals and the senior staff officers and all the people in the white house and they're the ones who made those decisions. and i don't know a service member that just doesn't absolutely abhor them, period filled with frustration. griff offers his perspective and a reality check. you know, we have all our friends there who are hurting who are suffering. and there is no way out for them. no one is coming, it's up to them, they're trapped. they need to figure out life moving forward. whether they decide

to ron or whether they decide to stay or whether they decide to fight, it's their decision. there's nothing that the every day citizen like you and i can do to support them anymore. still grief and others continue their efforts to help, even though they can't send money or goods into afghanistan. they can't get anybody out any more, but they can still help afghans who made it into the u. s. meet jimmy, settle a former air force per a rescue man and friend of griff. he managers, the local african refugees assistance center is mission. now, helping afghans to get a foothold in their new home america, that's my, that's the, to my heart. i welcome them with the open arms. and because my folks, my family, at some point in history, were immigrants in u. s. and it be hypocritical to deny them the same opportunities jimmy and griff, or just 2 of thousands of us veterans who served in afghanistan,

who are still trying to support afghans in any way possible. each in their own way . l. m. join nell by omar semen. he was once the afghan ambassador to france as well as canada. he is now with the global affairs thinktank, the atlantic council in washington, dc. ambassador, it's good to have you with us. it has been a year since that traumatic and chaotic departure of us and nato forces from afghanistan. the helpers, the afghan helpers who were left behind have they been forgotten by washington. sh . but i don't think that they have, you'd forgotten. i think that the situation is such that they were not able to either be the did want to or some were prevented or various reasons. i think that the policy has need to evacuate as many as possible,

not just by the u. s. late many others as well include germany. and i think they did the best job under the circumstances because you look it up in the said, there are 3 ways of looking at if you look at the last 20 years of the intervention, there's some people called occupation. if you look at the year that just passed, as you said, it look at what has happened to the african people since then what are the talking about doing what is it the national community doing and reaction to all of that. and then you look at the microcosm of those 2 weeks where the focus was on. so many people wanting to leave in the evacuation in how things may have gone wrong. and some people think that it is the best of the circumstances. and what about what has happened in this past year? the international community does not recognize the taliban. i'm as the official, the leadership in government of afghanistan. as a result. you don't have foreign aid money going into the country. the you win now

says that may be as many of 6000000 afghans could go hungry every day, or these sanctions, are they actually doing more harm than good? so if you ask, ask gay they're doing more harm than good against it was recipient of billions of dollars of money, most of which was wasted. unfortunately, a lot of it was put into pockets and they fled. those people fled the country. i as an african, no perfect and many others do to those tools will come out one day. but since then it's the african population, $35.00 plus 1000000 people who are paying the price for a dysfunctional government that flight the country. and it international community, especially, or friends, those who served as the reports it and wanted to see something better. and for a lot of different reasons we couldn't fix up against that. we thought that we could fix the country by imposing models that didn't work very well. so there are

a lot of lessons to learn from that. but now we have to deal with the situation and, and as you said, 6000000 people crazy fab. any could have $1000000.00 children will be died within the next year. 24000000 people who have nobody really under the line of poverty and almost 30000000 press. ready people who are worse off, it's because of the sanctions, is because of the money that are in pros. and it's also because of the fact that taller bond, happy to intransigent and responding in kind to some of the issues, the ambassador. unfortunately, we're out of time, but we certainly do appreciate you sharing your thoughts with his on this one year anniversary of the withdrawal. omar, so thank you. ah, we have reported extensively on alleged human rights abuses committed by russian forces during the invasion of ukraine. it is just one piece of

a larger picture of people on the planet who were in peril. human rights watch exposes violations of human rights and it pushes to hold those offenders accountable. for the past 3 decades, kenneth roth have stood at the helm of human rights watch this week. he is stepping down and tonight he's joining us. can it's good to have you on the program as it is it, as it is in the news business we, we have breaking news and we need to report and we're get a reports now out of russia that former soviet president mikhail gorbachev has died . i, i don't know if you've heard that, but we just got the report and i wanted to ask you, he was seen at least in the west as a symbol of, of hope in change for more human rights behind the iron curtain. your thoughts on the news of his passing he was really a visionary leader on his so called colossus represented

a 1st and foremost study. he really began the process of free speech that i think ultimately led to the end of the soviet union in that together with his perestroika, which was his economic liberation from the state control. the communist control of the economy really began a transformation process, which, you know, ended with the split of the soviet union into it's 15 constituent parts. and frankly, that's a big part of what is motivating kootenai today as the base ukraine. he's never accepted the break up of the soviet union. he still thinks that, you know, ukraine and valor, bruce and parts of context and are really just, you know, bolshevik creations that he is entitled to resurrect. because there are some ethnic russian speakers there. so, you know, barbershop was a, an amazing but of course, you know, that the ripple effect of his leadership is still being felt today, some positive, some way. is the era gorbachev. 30 years ago,

it seems like a world, a way that was the world in which you began your time at human rights watch. talk to me a little bit, compare for me if you can. what your scope of work is has been, but it is changed. compared to 30 years ago and what it's like today, which human rights watch actually began as an effort to protect the human rights defenders in some loc, who had done their work with or 1975 and were coffee suppressed. and so helsinki rock, which is the precursors, human rights watch, was really an effort to protect them. and that, you know, spoke to an era where being a human rights activist was still relatively rare. there were activists around the world, but they were a week in battle bunch. and i think the biggest evolution that i've seen in the 3

plus decades that i've been involved in the human rights movement is that today there are human rights defenders in almost every country. you know, maybe the most repressive ones, like north korea. there's no one who can survive there, but even in that case, operate and eggs. and so we are, we have a movement that really is able to push back against this inevitable tendency of government to pilot in rights. when you couple that with the fact that today, it's very difficult for government to hide their crushing in their smartphones and access to social media. virtually every place on it does mean that the human rights movement is able to generate very significant pressure on government supply with human rights. we don't always win by any means, but there is a hostage rise by lesions that we are able to impose. what worries you the most can when you, when you think about the present and the future of human rights in our world, will say there really is a global contrast between democracy, not government say,

or with theory built around with whites. and those that are go merrily on, you know, in some sense this is playing out in ukraine. but i think in many ways, the most dangerous threat to the global defense of human rights is china. because, you know, nobody wakes up in the morning, wants to live in putin's craft aquatic autocracy. but the chinese government does present itself as a supposedly superior model to mars one that isn't, i'm impeded by the messiness of democracy. one that can think longer term. but of course, you know, any autocracy, i'm because it's not answerable to its people primarily serves itself. and we're seeing this today where the chinese communist party is, you know, it is pursuing a series of policies. you know, economic cove, it in the like which is really about retaining power. the what worries me, it's the chinese government, you know, has both the logical inclination and the economic power to try to persuade,

or course governments around the world to defend itself. and in that, i think today is perhaps the biggest battle that the human rights movement face the new york times. emma has called you the godfather of human rights work in that speaks to the enormous respect that you've earned in your career. obviously you've attracted criticism as well. i'm thinking about human rights watch equating israel's policy towards the palestinians with the concept of apartheid. the jerusalem post recently quoted in geo monitor president gerald steinberg is saying that in his 30 year reign is head of human rights watch. ken ross has obsessively distorted and exploited human rights to demonize is real. what's your take on that given you've had years to, to try to find a solution to this? have you been able to change minds there? well 1st i should say the guy you just quoted and it's about the higher you are

criticizing anybody. you criticize israel in his ear, these are, every government is never a history of the world committed to human rights violations. so, you know, this is not a credible source, but human rights watch applies the same fact. find the same standards to his real as we do every place else. in the case of israel, we applied the international legal definition of apartheid as contained in to treaties. and if you look at a fact, it's not even close. you know, when human rights what you should report, he's really government couldn't find anything wrong. you know, they just resorted to name calling certain decided, but you know, we get this all the time. governments, when they can't defend their record, try to attack the messenger and human rights wash. trust me, extremely careful. we are objective and meticulous in our fact finding in then as carefully in his principal way as possible. we apply human rights for governments don't like that. we're checking, i've been personally sanctioned by the chinese and the russian governments were attacked by the one in the opium. i go on. that's just what happens. and

governments have nothing to say for themselves. they attaching, right? yeah, and speaking of china today, the chinese foreign ministry had some words offered some words of advice for the united states regarding gun violence and human rights. take a listen to what was it may huh. in terms of the u. s. needs to face up to its poor human rights conditions regarding gun violence and take concrete action on gun control to stop the violence and protect the american people's rights to life. rather than go around criticizing other countries and using human rights is a pretext to metal in their internal affairs. obviously the, the irony there is, is obvious can, but when you hear this, what more is you the most looking forward, the growing influence of china and dis, authoritarian system or the weakening influence of the united states as a moral authority and defender of human rights. well, 1st of all, u. s. s u s supreme court extra interpretation 2nd,

but in fact should not preclude no government and government say, you know, attempt to was that you like in that respects should stand up and defend much round world, particularly in question china, where there's not even the pretense of respect because nobody is about to speak. yeah, nobody can vote on native economics. china pretend system right? nothing more than the size. so it is a very simplistic view of human rights. so i don't believe that somebody has to be perfect in order to defend from rights for rather in everybody should scrutinize themselves, but then devote themselves to protecting the rights around the world. i frankly wish that us did that more. thank you. you know, rather than, for example, president biden's recent fist bump with the saudi crown prince. yeah. yeah. that, that was reported on a lot in the implications of that fis bump. what about climate change kept? what can that mean? what should it mean for the future of human rights?

climate change is a big threat. obviously on it, many people are going to face displacement due to climate change are going to face impoverishment. and i think there is a real responsibility in both to curtail the dumping of harvey to the us making things worse. but also in particular or the wealthier countries that have done so much to contribute to climate change. they really have responsibility, try to mitigate its effects on countries or, you know, contributing relatively little to the problem, but whose people today are suffering and is, is, are talking about the future. there are some futurists who say that artificial intelligence, for example, could make a large percentage of the future human population somewhat redundant. when you hear things like that, does it worry you mean how does a i in our technological future is that going to present a threat to the protection and preservation of human rights?

it is presented. i'm going to see an example general washington bird involved in china. stop what we call chilar loop. that is to say, in wrappings using ai, they're basically instructed. you don't find the target and show it without any shimon control. that's an extraordinarily dangerous phenomenon. we've had the vast majority of governments around the world agree with us that these kind of kill a robot should be banned, but certain government, including the united states, russia and china, are reluctant to agree. so that's just one illustration, but i think more broadly there is in each to, you know, be much more attentive to technology than we have been. if you take, for example, you know, that the social media platforms, you know, there's much talk about suppressing disinformation white. but i think what we really need to look at is the algorithms that end up promoting information that he's engaging. even when that information is often false or hateful information is

very engaging, is profitable. the algorithms promote it, and that's why we have the call. so there is, i think a need to go beyond that. somewhat simplistic. do you think down or not? and begin to examine those. ok. before we run out of time, kid, i was trying to remember how many times we have spoken on the ear and it's countless times over the, the past decade. and you know, apple, it of yours that you've always made the point to make yourself available to us. in the media, have journalists in your experience the past 3 decades, have they done all that? they can to tell the truth about the plight of people and human rights violations. journalists are very much our ally thing. of course, everybody more. but you know, she read human rights. flash gets things done is by, you know, spotlight in government. he's, unfortunately, today's world, every government has to lose for 10, that recession lice as an 8th, an aspect of this region. and so he thought like

a discrepancy between that now that you generalize, i'm sure was, are a central purpose in africa. they report on our findings, they do their own investigations. and so, you know, we do really look at journalists, i mean free media as an essential component of the defensive to kenneth wrought the head of human rights watch soon to be the former head of human rights watch. can we appreciate your time and your insight to wish you all the best in a well deserved retirement? thank you. thank you. well, the day is almost done. the conversation continues online. you'll find us on twitter, e w news. you can follow me on twitter at rent. gov tv and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see you then 3

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