here will defend the country hydrogen. they will defend it against the terrible threat posed to ukraine by russia's brutal war of aggression. and we will continue to support them without financial capabilities, but also with weapons about with in buffalo and private individuals have also sent 1000000 for help ukraine by drones, for its fleet of eyes in the sky. foreign support has been crucial in keeping ukraine's resistance efforts afloat and helping it defend its territory for longer than anyone expected. after his update, as our people in trucks injured when trying to flee the city center more and more refugees are being turned away. family please, on inferior to these correct only thing we learned demonstrated

people being screened around 200 people had something around the world. more than 300000000 people are seeking refuge. yes. why? because no one should have to flee. make up your own mind. d. w, made for mines ah, the outgoing un commission of human rights has overseen a complex international situation. her 4 year tenure here in geneva as you joined me now on the w news. thank you so much for being with us. michelle vasily, happy to. let's start with ukraine. the war has raised on for 6 months. now. we've

seen a litany of accusations against the russian troops against the russian government, accusations of human rights violations. recently, there's been reports of trials of prisoners of war. what has your office? so what does this office have the power to do to prevent such violation? well, the 1st thing that we do is, and we're doing it before the war since 2014, we have a special mission mission there that has been reporting on, on the violation of human rights. and we had offices all over crane at that time. we still have some in the bonus and you know, desa. so we have been reporting since the was a start that we have been able to report casualties. the people who have been killed, we have. we always report on cases that we can verify all the allegations. so we have been able to give to the press, but also the security council, the human rights council, information that it's reliable on. i mean, of course,

maybe it's not the whole the formation because they formation. you can get on the ground on and we believe that there has been more than 5700 people killed. and 13477 civilians. casualties of those 70890 injures and of those oneself and children have been killed. so it's a terrible thing. people have suffered so much and we have been trying to do different things. we have been work. i mean, we in the ground speaking out in informing the world's things that's happening. calling on the parties to stop calling and putting to stop. the war, calling on, on, on, on, on, on the part is to respect the situation of for a piece of war. and we have been also trying to access claim we have had full access to the trials. we have seen that how the chance of the developed and if the people of war has been having the respect they deserve, according to the national rules. but in russia we have not,

or in the pro ration our roofs control areas we have not been able to have access to how can justice be brought in the human rights violations relating to the war and ukraine? well, the 1st thing is to have the information, then that's one of the things that i have the evidence should be preserved. and that's one of the things we have call we have on the ground. our colleagues are working with the prosecutors of faith with everyone calling to preserve the evidence, particularly when it comes to the i c. c. for example. you need to ensure that the evidence can be really useful for that officials for an investigation. and of course, this is something that they have receive a lot of support from different european experts to be able to support the forensic activity and all the issues of the criminal investigation. so the i, c, c can really do their job, but we also have another mechanism that is the commission of inquiry of the human rights council. that's not a criminal investigation,

because if you were on vacation, who would be fine if there war crimes or who has to be held accountable, which the potatoes are, etc, etc. but the commission of inquiry will also be able to collect a lot of inflammation that could be useful to the i c. c, or any other even national trials. in the case of the international criminal court involvement and the investigation of the prosecutor, the court in the hague. though russia isn't a states party of the international criminal court, is all of this not completely toothless. they will never respect the judgements they will never expedite. people that are indicted by that court after this investigation. so what's the point? well, crane is also another part of the of the tv is either the wrong treaty, but they have accepted that this investigation will go on. they say agreement between a crane and the i. c. c. well, i think it, it,

it will not probably be easy. but the truth can be known and you know what many times it is not from when they to another. but then sometimes this is not something that people forget. for example, if you see in the case of maria mar, was also not a member of the wrong. it is that the gambia decided that there is universal you fiction on this and brought to the, to, to the, to russia tribunal the case. so even though it's some countries not a member, and so it's not as easy, maybe that with the country as a member, i will not be wanted to cooperate. i think that justice can libra, you mentioned mir mother. it's 5 years now. since the ring of minority were the violence against them, forced them to flee 700000 people. the reports of the situation on the ground in

bangladesh, in the camps where they are staying, which you have visited, are frankly atrocious. murder, gangs being operated, their gender base violence, rum from crime everywhere. how can this situation be improved when the human rights situation is so terrible? well, i mean, the 1st thing i want to say, unfortunately, in me a marla station has not improved. on the contrary, i mean, you saw that at the beginning was again the regina that afterwards, after the good data that had my though i started to repress sir, violently, and all the people who were against the coup, all those young people calling for recognition of the result of the elections, but also they started identifying that that was not enough because if the constitution be in change, this will be over and over again. and, and today in a month we have a country who's not completely controlled by that, that ma, though there is this national unity government with the national defense forces

they created. and that's also the can i me fighting that another. so it's really unstable to situation. plus a huge number of people in, from, in, in really, in need of humanitarian assistance. so why i'm saying that having being caused by thought is true that those issues exist. but i mean, there is still, i saw camps will organize people living in safe condition is that if they go back home. so of course it's difficult to take care of all of those people. but i went and saw kids learning learning mathematics. i say, mentoring just leaders, i met young people, i made women and we discussed all over the difficulties that oldest challenges. but let me tell you something that you had 2 people, but a lot of people dream to go back. and they said, we need you to help us to go, but we need to be repetitive. unfortunately. i don't see it in the near future. i

think the community should not abandon jamar what concretely needs to happen them. what could provide some ray of hope for the refugee him bangladesh, for a resolution within me amount itself. what i've been doing is to send that to be the voice of the voiceless to advocate for the rigging against me. i'm redeem that is violating human rights. i've been calling the international community to be stronger. but i've been trying to identify which could be the incentives for the tut mother to leave power, because now they have political power, military power, economic power. so i think we need to continue pressing them in a way that they understand that the only possible way sufficient to democracy and to leave the power and to leave it to the people. tony nice to china, you have been under heavy, heavy criticism for

a delayed report into the week and minority engine shine. people saying that the chinese government has put under pressure on other countries must have pressure on your office. it's still a huge issue. what is the truth behind this? why has this report taken so long? well, 1st of all, because this was an assessment, not mandated by the council, so that there has no no deadline or we have 2 percent that in some moment on another. but it had to be said that when it's ready, the 1st thing the 2nd thing is that if you remember in march this year, the if we get into agreement for a visit, my basic. but before that, the technical group who will go into the ground and see all the places we should go and look at if they all the guarantees were there. so we could make a meaningful visit then. and so that was a priority on the, the time a call. we'll continue working on the system and then we came back and then we have

continue working, reviewing, looking at what are findings in the visit where and if in which way they could fit into into the report. but then after that we had a draft and we shared with them with government, with the vision. and as we do with every country we have, we have had the same procedure which i know with any other country in the world. and then we had give them a time and normal time to bring back factual comments and to review them. and if it's appropriate to include it on the report or to, to look at what those fact means. we have received recently and big numbers of facts, comments, and we are reviewing it and looking at it viciously or violently. has the chinese government opposed this report? well, they have done what every country, thus they have done. they have sent a letter that has been publicly known by re signed by them on like 40 or 50

countries asking for the publication. but i have to tell you, i have received so many other letters, meetings, interviews with other countries who want me to public aid. so and in jewels as well . so i have to say we are working on this as we always do with using them for dollar deal, the coffee. so the high commissioner, we have a colleagues, lawyers who have a great experience on all these things and pressures will be fine. what will happen with the report feel free to says out who same is often accused of being way too hard on human rights issues and getting block tire of certain countries. you, i think broadly has been perceived to someone who perhaps specifically on this china issue has been acquiescent. happening hard enough. your time is turned up. what is the right way for this office, this you an office for human rights to be run?

well, to be honest, i think it's, it's unfair, the comment on china because we have a thinking out and in, on the situation to bed in hong kong, etc. but okay, i would think it would be a chain if the not only myself because my work is also the office work that we could be look at only because through the end of 11 country when we have been dealing with hundreds of countries, all this time, i truly believe this, suppose where you have to be the voice of the voices. but you also have to engage comments because it is see, it is the possibility of governments of the state organizations, governments, parliament and of course to the show system. but the government itself to respect and promote human rights. so it's very easy to just speak. but maybe that doesn't change anything. i don't want just to be this speaker. when is near a do it, don't have any doubt of that and have done it. but maybe i want outcomes because

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