[000:00:00;00] ah, flood waters as far as the i can see, a 1000 people dead, millions homeless, a 3rd of pakistan is under water after what the head of the you win is calling a mon soon on steroids. now clean up and rebuilding costs are already estimated at $10000000000.00. pakistan's politics are ready, dysfunctional. it's economy crippled, ad climate change. and the tragic result is pakistan. the perfect storm. i'm bring dolphin berlin. this is the day. ah, no problem. what can i do except crying?

i don't know where to go. in the front line for the grounds you. i'm helpless. this is the full page of climate change or is becoming more extreme. we have nothing to eat, my son is 2nd. people have actually lost the company's lively or not. i have to take care of my children and my grandchildren. access to assistance is difficult. we have no refund. i nearly 1000000 homes have been damaged deal on a month. i have no one but god to help me with also coming up one year ago today, u. s. troops withdrew from afghanistan for many, the trauma of that moment. it hasn't gone anywhere. i mean, i think everybody say, hey, we want all the battles, but we lost the war. but i think it's more that the lack of that which fell flat on our word. our nation acted in

a dishonorable way. and the gen roles in the senior staff officers and all the people in the white house and they're the ones who made those decisions. and i don't know a service member that just does absolutely abhor them. ah, which we've, our viewers watching on p. b, as in the united states into all of you around the world. welcome, we begin the day surveying the worst flooding in the history of pakistan. it is difficult to describe the extent of destruction caused by a combination of severe drought followed by a monster monsoon rains. tonight, a 3rd of pakistan is submerged. 33000000 people are now in need of shelter. food and medicine of this map shows the vast areas impacted by the floods stretching across the entire length of the country in the south, much of pakistan's bread basket provinces. while they are now under water,

hopes of any harvest or drowning in growing fears of food shortages. a village under water in pakistan, sind province, one of several key agricultural regions that now resemble small oceans. many people here were poor before the floods came. now they've lost almost everything in those areas that are dry, make shift camps. how's those displaced by the water and farmers salvage what they can from their fields. pakistan's climate minister says the flooding is apocalyptic, and that her country is bearing the brunt of climate change caused by more develop nations. because then is less than one percent in the global emissions up by if you like. we hardly contribute any of the emissions to the

broader emission blanket that makes so for greenhouse gases to turn our climates into a living hill. in the northern pakistani city of la horror, the effects of the floods are being felt in soaring prices for food and other basic goods. philip cures, if prices have increased a lot because of the floods while it is thank if goods can't be transported from baluchistan, the roads are close. you see my, our business here is almost slow to stop bodies that are built while people can't feed their children, can't pay their rent, which i got here can even pay electricity. bill should i have the old prices of w. i back got a sec. they're supposed double mendera the floods could not have come at a worse time for pakistan, where the economy was already in crisis. now the government says it needs more than $10000000000.00 to recover from this latest climate catastrophe. ah. to day one year ago, the last

u. s. military plane departed afghanistan and ending america's longest war to withdraw was sudden, just like the surrender of the entire afghan army to the taliban. or in the chaotic weeks of early august, u. s. troop numbers had dwindled and the taliban, they were closing in the u. s. military flu, more than a 100000 people out of the country. in what became the largest air lift in history . you may remember this is the last american soldier to leave afghanistan boarding a flight that carried military personnel as well as the u. s. ambassador. the taliban quickly took over the airport after that plane took off the pirated equipment that had been left behind by the americans and their nato allies. much of that equipment, of course, had been destroyed to make sure that the tele bond would never use it. the events of one year ago, especially those horrific scenes at the cobble airport. they still haunt many

former u. s. military personnel. d. w. 's stefan simons, is in seattle, washington. tonight he brings us the story of to us veterans who served in the afghan war us army ranger veteran matthew griffin doesn't need visual reminders of what transpired in august last year. c the images of desperate afghans at couple airports trying to flee the country as taliban fighters took over, are burned in his memory and carved into his conscience. he says that moment it broke me and i had to reach out to a couple friends, a local small business. they offered up a board room, which we set up a command center and i had army rangers, navy seals green to raise and a bunch of civilians come in and we set up a full on command center. griff, as everybody calls him, his friends and comrades went into overdrive,

trying to help bring as many afghans out as possible. people they had worked with, fought with, bled for, cried and laughed with griffith. and many others are still upset about how the u. s . conducted their withdrawal from afghanistan, i don't know a service member that isn't are set up. and it's not that the law. i mean, i mean, everybody say, hey, we won all the battles, but we lost the war. but i think it's more the, the lack of that which fell flat on our word arc nation, acted in a dishonorable way. and the gen roles and the senior staff officers and all the people in the white house. and they're the ones who made those decisions. and i don't know a service member that just doesn't absolutely abhor them, period filled with frustration. griff offers his perspective and a reality check. you know, we have a lot of friends there who are hurting who are suffering and there is no way off for them. no one is coming, it's up to them,

they're trapped. they need to figure out life moving forward. whether they decide to ron or whether they decide to stay or whether they decide to fight, it's their decision. there's nothing that the everyday citizen like you and i can do to support them anymore. still grief and others continue their efforts to help, even though they can't send money or goods into afghanistan. they can't get anybody out any more, but they can still help afghans who made it into the u. s. meet jimmy, settle a former air force per a rescue man and friend of griff. he managers, the local african refugees assistance center is mission. now, helping afghans to get a foothold in their new home america, that's my, that's the, to my heart. i welcome them with the open arms. and because my folks, my family, at some point in history, were immigrants here in the u. s. and it be hypocritical to deny than the same opportunities jimmy and griff,

or just 2 of thousands of us veterans who served in afghanistan, who are still trying to support afghans in any way possible. each in their own way . l. m. join nell by omar, some on he was once the afghan ambassador to france as well as canada, and he is now with the global affairs thinktank, the atlantic council in washington, dc. ambassador, it's good to have you with us. it has been a year since that traumatic and chaotic departure of us and nato forces from afghanistan. the helpers, the afghan helpers who were left behind have they been forgotten by washington. sh . but i don't think that they have been forgotten. i think that the situation is such that they were not able to either be they did want to,

or some were prevented or various reasons. i think that the policy has need to evacuate as many as possible don't just by the us, late, many others as well. include germany. and i think they did the best job under the circumstances because you look it up in the said, there are 3 ways of looking at it. you look at the last 20 years of the intervention or some people called occupation. you look at the year that just passed, as you said, it look at what has happened to the african people since then what are the told about doing what is it the national community doing and reaction to all of that. and then you look at the microcosm of those 2 weeks where the focus was on. so many people wanting to leave in the evacuation in how things may have gone wrong. it some people think that did it the best under the circumstances. and what about what has happened in this past year? the international community does not recognize the taliban. i'm as the official, the leadership in government of afghanistan. as

a result. you don't have foreign aid money going into the country. the you win now says that may be as many of 6000000 afghans could go hungry every day. are these sanctions, are they actually doing more harm than good? so if you ask and you're doing more harm than good against it, it was a recipient of billions of dollars of money, most of which was wasted. unfortunately, a lot of it was put into pockets and they fled. those people fled the country. i, yes it african no perfect, and many others do to those tools will come out one day. but since then, it's the african population, $35.00 plus 1000000 people who are paying the price for a dysfunctional government flight, the country and the international community, especially of krebs, those who served as the report said, and wanted to see something better. and for a lot of different reasons, we couldn't fix that again,

is that we thought that you could fix the country by imposing models that didn't work very well. so there are a lot of lessons to learn from that. but now we have to deal with the situation and, and as you said, 6000000 people facing fab any couldn't. one beta children will be di, within the next year, 2024 1000000 people who have nobody, they are living under the line of poverty. and almost 30000000 press. ready people who are worse off, it's because of the sanctions. it's because of the money that are in proven it's also. busy because of the fact that talk about happy to intransigent in responding in kind to some of the issues, the ambassador. unfortunately we're out of time, but we certainly do appreciate you sharing your thoughts with us on this one year anniversary of the withdrawal omar summer. thank you. ah, we have reported extensively on alleged human rights abuses committed by russian

forces during the invasion of ukraine. it is just one piece of a larger picture of people on the planet to were in peril. human rights watch exposes violations of human rights and it pushes to hold those offenders accountable for the past 3 decades, kenneth roth have stood at the helm of human rights watch this week. he is stepping down and tonight he's joining us. can it's good to have you on the program as it is it, as it is in the news business we, we have breaking news and we need to report and we're getting reports. now out of russia that former soviet president mikhail gorbachev has died. i, i don't know if you've heard that, but we just got the report and i wanted to ask you, he was seen at least in the west as a symbol of, of hope in change for more human rights behind the iron curtain. your thoughts on the news of his passing he was really

a visionary leader on his so called colossus represented a 1st former study. it really began across it's free speech that i think ultimately led to the end of the city union in that together with his perestroika, which was his economic liberation from the state control. the communist control of the economy really began a transformation process, which, you know, ended with the split of the soviet union into it's 15 constituent parts. and frankly, that's a big part of what is motivating kootenai today as the invades ukraine. he's never accepted the breakup of the soviet union. he still thinks that, you know, ukraine and valor, bruce, and parts of context and are really just, you know, bolshevik creations that he is entitled to resurrect. because there are some ethnic russian speakers there. so, you know, barbershop was a, an amazing but of course, you know, that the ripple effect of his leadership is still being felt today. some positive

in some way. is the era gorbachev. 30 years ago, it seems like a world, a way that was the world in which you began your time at human rights watch. talk to me a little bit, compare for me if you can. what your scope of work is has been, but it is changed. compared to 30 years ago and what it's like today with human rights watch actually began as an effort to protect the human rights to send in the soviet union. so the lock who had done their work with a course of 1975 and we're happy suppressed. and so helsinki rock, which is the precursor of human rights watch, was really an effort to protect them. and that, you know, spoke to an era where being a human rights activist was still relatively rare. there were activists around the world, but they were

a week in battle bunch. and i think the biggest evolution that i've seen in the 3 plus decades that i've been involved in the human rights movement is that today there are human rights defenders in almost every country. you know, maybe the most repressive ones, like north korea. there's no one who can survive there, but even in that case operate an exile. and so we are, we have a movement that really is able to push back against this inevitable tendency of governments to pilot in rise. when you couple that with the fact that today, it's very difficult for governments to hide their crushing, you know, their smartphones and access to social media. virtually every place on it does mean that the human rights movement is able to generate very significant pressure on government supply with human rights. we don't always win by any means, but there is a cost to humanize violations that we're able to. i mean, posts. what worries you the most can when you, when you think about the present and the future of human rights in our world, will say there really is

a global contrast between democracy and not government say, or with theory dealt with whites. and those that are go merrily about tension on, you know, in some sense this is playing out in ukraine. but i think in many ways, the most dangerous threat to the global defense of human rights is china. because, you know, nobody wakes up in the morning and wants to live in putin's except a credit. but the chinese government does present itself as a supposedly superior model to mars. one that, you know, isn't, i'm impeded by the messiness of democracy. one that can think longer term, but of course, you know, any autocracy and because it's not answerable to its people primarily serves itself . and we're seeing this today where the chinese communist party is, you know, it is pursuing a series of policies, you know, economic, cobit in the like, which is really about retaining power. the what worries me, it's the chinese government, you know,

has both the logical inclination and the economic power to try to persuade, or course governments around the world to defend itself. and in that, i think today is, is perhaps the biggest hurdle that the human rights movement face the new york times may have called you the godfather of human rights work. and that speaks to the enormous respect that you've earned in your career. obviously you've attracted criticism as well. i'm thinking about human rights watch equating israel's policy towards the palestinians with the concept of apartheid. the jerusalem post recently quoted india monitor president. gerald steinberg is saying that in his 30 year reign is head of human rights watch. ken roth has obsessively distorted and exploited human rights to demonize israel. what's your take on that given you've had years to, to try to find a solution to this. have you been able to change minds there?

first, i should say the guy you just quoted and it's about higher, you're criticizing anybody, you criticize israel in his ear, these are, every government is never in history, the world committed to human rights violations. so, you know, this is not a credible source, but human rights watch applies the same fact. finding the same standards to his rule as we do every place else. in the case of israel, we applied the international legal definition of apartheid as contained in 2 treatments. and if you look at the fact, it's not even close, you know, when human rights what you should report, he's really government couldn't find anything wrong. you know, they just resorted to name calling certain you just cited. but, you know, we get this all the time. governments, when they can't defend their record, try to attack the messenger and human rights rush, tracy. extremely careful. we are objective and meticulous in our fact finding in that as carefully in his principal way as possible. we apply human rights for governments don't like that. we're checking, i've been personally sanctioned by the chinese and the russian governments,

you know, were attacked by the one in the opium i go, i don't know, that's just what happens. and governments have nothing to say for themselves. they attacking right? yeah, and speaking of china today, the chinese foreign ministry had some words, it offered some words of advice for the united states regarding gun violence and human rights. take a listen to what was it me. huh. in terms of the us needs to face up to its poor human rights conditions regarding gun violence and take concrete action on gun control to stop the violence and protect the american people's rights to life. rather than go around criticizing other countries and using human rights as a pretext to metal in their internal affairs. obviously the, the irony there is, is obvious can, but when you hear this, what worries you the most looking forward, the growing influence of china and this authoritarian system or the weakening influence of the united states as a moral authority and defender of human rights. well, 1st of all,

the u. s. s. u s. supreme court extra interpretation 2nd, but in fact, should not, no government, and government say no attempt to that united that respects should stand up and defend much round world, particularly in question china, where there's not even the pretense oversight with you. nobody is about to speak. you know, you can go on management of economic and social is china, pretends if united more than the size. so it is a very simplistic view of human rights. so i don't believe that somebody has to be perfect in order to defense rights for rather everybody should scrutinize themselves, but then devote themselves to protecting the rights around the world. i frankly wish that us did that more. thank you. you know, rather than, for example, president biden's recent fist bump with the saudi crown prince. yeah. yeah. that, that was reported on a lot in the implications of that fis bump. what about climate change kept?

what can that mean? what should it mean for the future of human rights? climate change is a big threat. obviously it, many people are going to face displacement due to climate change. they are going to face impoverishment. and i think there is a real responsibility in both to curtail the dumping of carbon each of the items making things worse. but also, you know, particularly though the wealthier countries that have done so much to contribute to climate change, they really have responsibility to try to mitigate its effects on countries or, you know, contributed relatively little to the problem, but whose people today are suffering in august. and is, is we're talking about the future. there are some futurists who say that artificial intelligence, for example, could make a large percentage of the future human population somewhat redundant. when you hear things like that, does it worry, you mean how does a i in our technological future is that going to present

a threat to the protection and preservation of human rights? it is presented and i'm wanting to see an example. general washington very involved in trying to stop what we call children. that is to say in rapid using their ac instructor, you don't find the target and chill it without any human control. that's an extraordinarily dangerous phenomenon. we've had the vast majority of governments around the world agree with us at these kind of kill a robot should be banned, but certain governments including the united states, russia and china, are reluctant to a greek. so that's just one illustration. but i think more broadly, there is in each to, you know, be much more attentive to technology than we have been. if you take, for example, you know, that the social media platforms are, you know, there's much talk about suppressing disinformation white. but i think what we really need to look at is the algorithms that end up promoting information that

he's engaging. even when that information is often false or hateful information is very engaging, is profitable. the algorithms promote it, and that's why we have the call. so there is, i think a need to go beyond that. somewhat simplistic. do you take it down or not? and begin to examine the soccer. before we run out of time, kid, i was trying to remember how many times we have spoken on the year in countless times over the, the past decade. and you know, apple, it of yours that you've always made the point to make yourself available to us in the media. have journalists in your experience the past 3 decades, have they done all that? they can to tell the truth about the plight of people and human rights violations. journalists are very much our ally thing and of course everybody can do more. but you know, she way the human rights flash gets things done is by, you know, spotlight in government. he's in fortune, today's world, every government has to lose for 10 that recession weiss as

a say aspect of this region. and so what we can spotlight, the discrepancy between that now that you can generalize, i'm sure was, are a central partners in africa. they report on our findings, they do their own investigations. and so, you know, we do really look at journalists, i mean free media as an essential component of the defensive to kenneth, throughout the head of human rights. watch soon to be the former head of human rights watch. can we appreciate your time and your insight to wish you all the best in a well deserved retirement? thank you. thank you. well the day is almost done, the conversation continues online, you'll find it on twitter either in the w news. you can follow me on twitter at brent gov tv and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another

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