dot com ah, it took months to negotiate safe passage for them today. 14 un inspectors arrived at ukraine's is separates here nuclear power plant, their mission, to safeguard europe's largest nuclear plant in the middle of a war, the lives of millions are at stake. now the inspectors are not soldiers, their job is not to take sides in this war. and yet their expertise and their presence at the plant seem to be the best defense against a conflict on the edge of nuclear disaster, our brink off in berlin. this is the day ah, we are moving. we are aware of the currency patient there has been decreased,

meaning daddy activity, including this morning event up in nuclear. pretty difficult if not impossible, to provide humanitarian myself and the team. we believe that we can proceed with this. we have a very important mission to accompany the stakes. to part you meant the consequences for millions of people and the environment can be at the traffic and le menu we select, we are moving now. thank you for your interest is very important that the world, lo, what's happening here? also coming up, the un has released a long delayed report on the state of china's weaker muslim minority report says that the wiggers are subject to serious human rights violations. china calls this a fabrication i think if any other government in the world had arbitrarily detained

a 1000000 people on the basis of their ethnicity and religion and identity, we would have been well underway already to a formal investigation and accountability proceedings. with you, our viewers watching a p b s in the united states into all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the day with the nuclear inspectors today. finally, a team of 14 nuclear safety inspectors arrived at ukraine's as upper you'd see a nuclear power plant. it took weeks to negotiate safe passage for the team, and their arrival is not a minute too soon. there have been several potentially catastrophic failures at the plant in recent weeks, which ukrainian and russian forces are blaming on each other. the inspectors have their work cut out for them to safeguard europe's largest nuclear power plant that happens to be in the middle of a war zone. we have this report experts from the international atomic energy

agency being shown around the separation nuclear power plant by russian energy officials. on thursday they made a 1st tour of the key areas they wanted to see with ukraine and russia, blaming each other for shelling near the facility, the agencies had said the physical integrity of the plant had been violated. and he emphasized that their mission is far from over. we are not going anywhere the east now there, he's at the plan and he's not moving. it's going to stay there. we're going to have a continued presence there at, at the plant with some of my experts, and i still the head of the power company that runs the plants and they are working to restart the reactor and expressed hope that the un mission could help the belief it would be like her mind for the so this mission for us is just to did

militarize the tutorials opposing leopold cloth and surround and ira if this mission helps to do that, then it will businesses in the short term d, i. e, a plans to keep a group of experts at the plans for the next several days to continue their assessment of the damage already done to the facility. a dangerous unprecedented mission in the midst of a war zone. o, my 1st guest to night has worked as a safety inspector at nuclear power plants around the world, including at chernobyl and fukushima. he's also been an advisor in science and technology to the u. s. state department. mr. nadine, miss cody, is an engineering professor at the university of southern california. he joins me tonight from california professor, it's good to have you on the program. i'd like for us to start by listening to what the head of the i. e. a said to day after he and his team had made their 1st walk

through at the separate c, a plant in ukraine. take a listen. i worry, i worried, i worry and i will continue to be worried about the plant. i think we have a situation which is more stable, which is more predictable. it's obvious that that the plant and the physical integrity of the plant has been violated several times by chance, by by the gratian. so he said once, professor, why he is worried, he has reason to be worried when he says the physical integrity of the plant has been violated. how serious is that? what do you hear in those words up? thank you for having the 1st of all of would like really to salutes and comment directors are about mariano welfare money on a grow c i. e. 18 for taking this doing discretion a person addressed to their safety. they are heroes i thing,

but that director general set is about a leading between the lines. he talked about the physical infrastructure, some of them, because they had, if you remember loss of offsite poverty for a few hours last week and in that class has been on their shelly, what i didn't hear from him. it is clear that you broadcast said, is this state of that mind off, they operate jones on the safety, conscious on human performance, you to address a stress and are basically looking at the gun point on. i'm extremely laurie, as director general said about the safety spans a professor based on what we do know about the situation inside the plant. i mean, we've been told that you have ukrainian workers who are carrying out their jobs at gunpoint by russian forces. so when you hear that,

how concerned are you that we could have an accident at this nuclear power plant, an accident that would happen by human error? that's a very good question. that's precisely my warrant. because if you look at that 3 major nuclear power plant accidents in our history tree model, i like the united states duncan 79 church knob in former soviet union, ukraine. 1986 and fukushima 2011 in jer on both de chad dane to i took the tree of these nuclear accidents that caused some major disruption. they're gonna cause by in chem, not a factor. it's not the external factors by internal factors. i mean, you're man, performance, safety, conscious related issues and human error. and this condition that this operators as being subject to death since march,

2nd of the russian version is very daunting. and that increased is the human error probability by many forms, fatigue, a stress, and then uncertainty us that on denying traits of healthy safety conscious unfortunately aren't being violated. like that question and guy teaching environment for a respectful work environment on of these have been violated, legacy integration it, if i hear you correctly, professor, it is true. we've had 2 nuclear disasters in the world, the results of, of human error then in fukushima. what we saw was an earthquake, a bit of su nami, a natural disaster causing then a nuclear disaster with the ukraine situations apparatus. yet, we could have a situation where the workers make a mistake, but for the 1st time in history we all have also have the situation vet missiles or shelling outside could penetrate the, the walls of a reactive for example,

in cause a meltdown. this is a 1st, isn't it? there's not a guidebook for what inspectors are supposed to do with their absolutely not absolute. you know, this is the i that value behalf this except on risk. because offense shelling there, shelling did contain them dorm off to 6 reactors, may protect them against the internal react. they're sitting in the containment of . they may be protected by the county mental. but we have huge 6 spent fuel pool that they require constancy correlation. and they are not protected by contain mental and then on the other side, the people i always consider of a human man operate in terms of nuclear plant as the 1st and last year of the last layer of defense of humanity. these people are subject to amended stress,

very often working condition on their families in the city of oklahoma or under tremendous stress. and i really don't know the state of the mind of these people and i hope directors are grossly and he seemed they can't get to the professor before you run out of time these inspectors, they have the weight that their own lives are on the line, right. now plus the lines of millions of other people are at stake. right now. what would be your message to them? i asked, i vish them, god says speed. due diligence in that work on short that day too. however, the may be asking too much some international tricare initiation and see where she scored is a technical organization. the report that they have been b, e, shroom is gotta be technical, but it will be many layers of political things are attached. i wish them cause to

speak. i'm sure they do it. do, dennis? yes, but on the other hand, i think, but the need is a little bit above and beyond international atomic energy agency, because she's in the domain of un security council professor notch. mundane, miss connie, we appreciate your time in your valuable insights to night. thank you. and still haven't. thank aah! on the other side of the planet worries are mounting of yet another war, a possible chinese invasion of taiwan. in the last month. the chinese military maneuvers in the taiwan street have alarmed the government in taipei. china claims taiwan as its own territory, a visit by us house speaker, nancy pelosi to tie one this year angered beijing. and that has apparently not impressed us lawmakers following pelosi, who was a democrat with now a republican. the governor of the u. s. state of arizona. height is on a visit,

i want to taiwan. some are talks on economic cooperation in the high tech, the sector where our partnership is the great. last month i was proud to sign legislation establishing our state's 1st foreign trade office in taiwan. bolt, arizona, and taiwan. our global semiconductor leaders and it is in this industry where our partnership is the greatest. now it's important to know that there is bipartisan support in the us for maintaining the status quo over taiwan. but what happens if beijing decides to invade the island? the w's chief international editor, richard walker, has this exclusive interview with ty, one's foreign minister, joseph, who, what is your sense? i, you concern that innovation really is potentially coming and if so, what kind of a timeline do you currently looking at? well, i can come in on the timeline, but if you look at the chinese statement,

the statements coming from their senior officials. they've been saying that the taiwan belongs to china, and they want to unify with taiwan peacefully if possible, and by force, if necessary. and this is not only some officials, it's virtually or officials are talking about this begin from she g p himself. and in order to substantiate these kinds of claim i, there being consulting military exercises along the time, a straight or a route taiwan for a long time. if you look at the trajectory of their military threat against ty, one in the last few years, you see war and war and chinese employees, they're sort, he's coming close to our a t i z. and they are flying closer and closer to taiwan. and their ships also increasing in number, creating threat scenarios. so if you put all this together, you see that the chinese seems to be preparing for

a war against high one for what they claim unification of their country. so what they were doing at the 1st part of august, which is exercise according to their playbook against high one. let me say it again . they fired missiles to the waters near taiwan. they conducted very large scale air and sea exercises that conducted cyber attacks against high one. they conducted disinformation campaign against ty, one in the same time, they also engage in economic corporation. so put it all together. this is what they want to do to taiwan when they want to invade taiwan. at the same time, of course, taiwan is very, very dependent on the united states for insecurity in terms of providing weapons and also the sort of implicit promise of support from the united states. but i want to talk about what we've heard from president biden over the last year or so on. 3 separate occasions and joe biden has said, yes,

the united states would defend taiwan. going beyond the official us policy only for the white house press team within 24 hours. having to walk that back and say, oh no, nothing's changed. it's exactly the same. how does that, how does that make you feel the sense of complete confusion about the u. s. policy coming from the president himself? what we're not confused? we are very clear that that depends on how one is our own responsibility. and we also are very clear about what the teller relations act face, that how long relations act say said the when id say is obligated to provide taiwan with defensive articles. and the u. s. has been living up to the commitment of the power relations act, and we appreciate that very much in the last few years, our relations with the buy in the ministration has been

a very wealth in going there strong. and we have been discussing pi wants defense, need the kinds of defense strategies that taiwan will need to be able to defend itself. so we don't doubt on the us come in to tie one is being very clear. and i need to tell you, once again, the defense of taiwan is our own responsibility. if we are not committed to our own defense, we don't have the right to ask others to sacrifice in under these kinds of circumstances . we need to show that we are determined to defend ourselves, and it just like the case of ukraine. it's only the ukrainian people showed their determination to defend themselves. now you can see the flooring of international support for ukraine, and that is what we are looking at to. yes, but i want to return to boston's comments because you say you're not confused, but i'm confused. many people are confused about what, why joe biden said that said something that we have promised to go beyond what was

really promised. how do you interpret that? is he creating a kind of next level strategic ambiguity? is he having a senior moment? is he on top of things? how, what's your interpretation? what we have been working together with abiding the ministration as a whole. and we've been speaking to a senior officials, what the u. s. policy is, what the united se supports will be. and these kinds of real situation as no ambiguity to us. and we understand that the us is committed to providing weapons to taiwan for one's self defense in the us is also seriously engaging, tie one for security discussions. so these are what the united states has been providing, and we will continue to discuss with united states and what we would need in other than that. you should probably also look at that us presence in this region. and the way they show their presence in this region, just a couple of days ago,

you saw to us ships saving true the chemist rate. that is the way the united states is showing its presence in this region. and by doing that, i think the us is showing is commitment to a piece instability in this region. and it is not just the way that he says that he's doing that with australia, canada, u. k. frogs and etc. they also sent their ships to this region to conduct freedom of navigation operations in line with their in the pacific strategy. so it's not only do united states that has a state in the piece s ability in this area is that a lot of countries that understand the state of peace and stability in this area. and they want to show that they care about this by sending their ships to this region. the united nation says that china is treatment of leaders, and other muslim minority groups may constitute crimes against humanity. in the

long delayed report, the humans human rights office said that there is credible evidence of torture, forced medical treatment and sexual violence in detention centers in the saint john region. these centers, these detention centers are referred to as training centers by beijing. china oppose the release of this report. it has denied the accusations with the 220 acre m g number 3 detention center is the largest in jin chang. and in china, it's at facilities like this one where beijing has long been accused of detaining more than 1000000 wiggers and other muslim minorities. now a bombshell un human rights office report, say sa detentions, which he called arbitrary and discriminatory, may amount to crimes against humanity. it also said it found credible allegations of torture rate for sterilize ation and forced labor. the long

anticipated report was released just 13 minutes before michelle batch of that term as un high commissioner for human rights ended and followed months of pressure from china to block its publication. i just say this report is a hodgepodge of misinformation that serves as a political tool for the us in the west to strategically use in jang to contain china. the chinese government as long maintained that many of its facilities and jin chang, a vocational training centers, created to counter alleged extremism and separatism among the regions. muslim minority but pictures from facilities injuring jang that were leaked earlier this year. tell a very different story. with hooded and bound prisoners forced in distress positions surrounded by police officers armed with clubs. the un report urges china to release detainees and explained the fate of the huge numbers of

people who have simply disappeared. but with beijing denying, having committed any abuses, many observers are doubtful. it will changes, policies injuring jang over hundreds of years. the muslim wiggers have led an uneasy existence of the edge of beijing sphere of influence. my next guest traces those developments in his book. the sacred roots of weaker history re on through is a historian and senior lecturer in east asian history at manchester university. he joins us tonight from the us from new orleans rianna. it's good to have you on the program. let me start by asking you, what is your read on this you when report on the report is it's a very big deal. primarily because of where it's coming from. you know, much of what it's reporting is. it's been widely known. but the report went back to

the primary sources, the original data, largely from chinese government's own documentation and from eye witnesses. and to have it coming to have this information coming from the, the premier body on human rights in the, in the international space. it's, it's really important, it's a big change and it's a highly valued recognition of what's been going on, i think for the weaker community. beijing says that it's policies are needed to counter violent extremism. what history of extremism is there in change up? there have been isolated acts of terrorism in that region as there have been in all parts of the world. and of course, a much broader pattern of resistance from the indigenous colonized people of

often peaceful sometimes sometimes not. so what's different about this situation is that the chinese government has reacted by punishing the an entire ethnic groups from which the sort of isolated acts of violent resistance have come and also stopping all peaceful descent as well. how much of a threat is beijing's policy of forced assimilation to to the culture of the week? it's a huge threat. um, you know, for example, there's a, a very large scale coordinated and effective policy to prevent young people from, from learning their, their mother language from it's, it's forbidden to speak it, their punish that they speak. it looks very much like the system of residential schools that did so much to eradicate indigenous cultures in, in north america,

they're destroying historical sites across the region, burning weaker books. so this is a really large threat to the, the reproduction of weaker culture across, across generations. and it seems that the strategy now is to target the younger generations and for prevent the transmission of, of a cultural information from, from parents and grandparents to children. now this doesn't nest won't necessarily result in a, in a complete eraser of we could culture it, the policies were to loosen in the future. people could sort of recover that from, from, from what we had that existed in. let me ask you just before we run out of time, you said this report is very important. human rights watch says if the findings of this report has been based on another country that there would have been an official investigation a long time ago. but the rules apparently do not apply to china. you agree?

yeah, i absolutely agree with that. i think, you know, it's of already quite shocking that the report notes that the high commissioners office was receiving information about large scale enforce disappearances in 2017 and says, that's what initiated there were any other in any other country. we would have seen a report much more quickly than 5 years down the road, like what we're seeing now. and we would see a lot more accountability of but major players, you know, with seats on, on the security council like the u. s. and, and china a tend to be able to avoid accountability for human rights abuses, re on tumor reports that we're out of time. but we certainly do appreciate your time in your insights tonight. thank you. thank you. today's almost done the conversation. it continues online. you'll find this on twitter, you can follow me on twitter at brent golf

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