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way on zebra z. ah. and he was there on the 2nd floor. suddenly i saw the window opened, the curtains opened, and i see on the in front of the of the window. i saw how he was pushed with the rifle, but no back into the room. the windows closed, curtains closed, and that was really the last time i saw him alive. but at least i know he will stay the life. but armor will not ship augusta the man to the last time i saw my coach was in the parking lot at the accommodation. william people went off to their room was too late. he said, well, let us meet tomorrow morning,
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but that never happened. a horrible killer. see the lawyer. i was here so shattered about the whole experience because i never volunteered for such a thing. i no idea what was going to happen and i know if they do things there for the 1st t mark in the center. second team in, so i never for, to be involved in anything like this. and this is certain much speculation, but i think she obviously was recruited by amazon because of her resourcefulness and intelligence and her ability to act silly,
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lose my coach when i was 12 years old that day we were running the 60 meter dash is a hotel. it's our hot dishy lifestyle. she, she may tell a we tie he races against me and all the other children, and i beat him. and in its actor, he took me aside and told me i had a great future ahead of me. she ortiz, he said he'd prepare me for the olympics all or matthew, north, you know. yeah, yeah. i, i use of it, boy. ah, i remember the opening ceremony, but it was quite an experience to see people from all over the world and all the colors and flags. and the good me, we were incredibly proud to say that especially because we were in germany representing the state of israel, a baby. we will hide this in a holiday. mud, gill mighty obeyed because i wanted to give me the 90 slade. anybody know you be either
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a when i came to the olympics i was in the best form of my life. a good many i think i was a young woman of 19 and a half at the peak of my performance. i felt like a well trained and well disciplined horse that had been brought to the olympics and let lucy and that's reflected in my results. so you've got rubbish. each time i ran i broke high level record. listen to the call. it's ashley. i had to break my own records every time, which was a difficult thing to do on my board. washy, but i needed help with it's mutual rally like wrath about very good to go away. i feel like there will be very close to winning or great because as i was a happy time was i joy full time the yeah. give for. i was having fun. you got a call that the la fine i. i got closer and closer to the finance, boy james said kim, but then it suddenly ended in the most brutal way possible,
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like a guillotine coming down amongst them. but softly attorney hala, he say, just after the meeting with the lebanese week, went for 2 days to holland because our baby daughter was in the hospital crying all 24 hours of the day. nobody understood why i'm gonna have to go back. she only got 2 days off, but i said, i'm going to stay here in holland and take care of the baby. we finished your competitions in a week, we are going to see each other again. you know, he goes back to the delegation. i go back with the baby and everything. so i stayed norland and in the morning the next it's the 1st of september. my parents came to my bedroom and they said the on key, how many people are in the israeli delegation. and i just opened my eyes and i said, i thing 20 or something. 22. i don't know. exactly. i said, why do you ask this 7 o'clock in the morning? you know. good afternoon,
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i'm jim mckay's big into live just outside the olympic village in munich. west germany, the piece of what has been called the serene olympics, were shattered. just before dawn this morning, about 5 o'clock. when arab terrorists armed with sub machine guns, faces black and climbed the fence, went to the headquarters of the israeli team and immediately killed one man, 2 shots and i had a rare b, 6 a. m. there was a knock on my door, and the latest report is that one more has been killed. the shimmy. i thought maybe they'd come to wake me because i was late for the racism. i said just a minute and i put my tracks. you told me before i opened the door today spoke german police the course of their the army is there now coming out the thing. got more bizarre and more airy. see the man with this fucking mask on his face? weird. when you put out a daily, i opened the door and there was a swimmer named show me, and the woman who looked after the flow. why was on the show me v omitted so
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cheerfully. de la postal. they told me that terrorists had entered the athletes accommodation. i believe la b tangela spoke to him. they had set a deadline of noon, which is just an hour and 15 minutes ago saying that they were going to kill. busy all of their hostages at that time. that deadline obviously has passed or has been no more action that we know of the 1st time that you're lympics were televised life . so you could follow it and you could see what was happening here. here's the man with a white hat. i said in follow the t. v 21 hours. of course i want to 1st immediately go back to munich because i was here all the time at the security people of the embassy. they said, don't go there because there's no way to communicate with you. thousands and thousands of people are outside of the gates and you will get lost there and they won't let you in. actually we all watched the negotiations. the whole world watched . colo lovely round as he became a maddening sight venica from him. callers, man,
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we constantly had the ultimate channel. if you don't release 200 terrorists and jail in israel, then every 2 hours we're going to kill somebody and throw them out the window. when is a real quick burst, they said that they were going to kill the hostages by noon it was terrible because as i thought fall under, it might be the next that they are going to kill extended that deadline to 5 o'clock. we'll get back to 3 again to 5. the last time i saw him alive wasn't around 5 in the afternoon. at this point here in front of the building, there was the crisis team, the minister of the very out of the federal republic, dejection embezzler. everybody was standing here and he was there on the 2nd floor up can i saw that he did not wear his glasses and i felt so humiliating for him because i knew that he couldn't see without his glasses. i saw how he was forced with the rifle beckoned to the room, the windows closed, curtains closed,
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and that is really the last time i saw him alive. the terrorists brought israelis down, an underground car park and to a bus busy b nuke meadows directly beneath the building. we were in there. i looked but i couldn't see my coach. you are. i saw the terrorists. they walked as though they were the kings of the world as though they were the ones calling the shots. the missouri theme for the girls have just enough for they are demanding to be allowed to fly out of germany and the germans agreed to let the arabs take their hostages. the heliport go inside the village. i still remember my mother said, oh, you know, at least they're going to be there doing something, at least they're going to take them away. and then they might, it all shake said mom, this is the end of them because why the germans did not want just to hama, you know, inside our fun olympic village. they wanted them out of there,
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they wanted to continue with the olympic games of shame, olim once they were gone, i was asked to go on with the competition. i said, i can't believe what i'm hearing shame shifflett hart. my coach has gone and it's been an incredibly exhausting dane. how can i compete? i am at the missile. get originally. they said that the hostages were saved. now that has been changed. and as val from the teen doctor took me into a side room. so that i'd be able to sleep it, they should be ready to race the next day. all hell is broken loose out there. i say i didn't sleep well. i had dreams 100 more. and they took all the israelis together, was the a terrorist. they took him to his underground parking garage downstairs in the bus . they took them to the to waiting helicopters, and then i saw a lifestyle. the 2 helicopters taking off formed olympic village with old israel
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used bounder want 20 other you know, tied to each other. and then they went to a small military airport and not use it until them that there is still shooting going on a report of a burning helicopter. i shall have all my teammates was sitting in front of the tv in the living room and watching to see what would happen in my values, the fair granite all powers fears. tom realized as aim shovel in the middle of the night, they announced that every one had been killed or worse, fears realised, can they they're all gone. a chest, but gusty thing. when i woke up and saw their faces, i knew what had happened.
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germany to day. the game must go on to the alley stock dishes. i told myself i wouldn't cry on tv any more when i talk about chuck knew the bit of it. but when i speak of it, the image is come back to me. i you my, my only those 2 days abandoned to my memory in all i try to distance myself from that. but when it comes back, i feel the pain all over again with their me. equate to leave your group books are always removal for group and where you are, you see? oh schools. when, oh,
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walking guy and 232, i go on the same germany. this is the, were a jew is, oh, very come drove her. you know, i call you to stop by. you do chill cream. he saw them passing the coffins and tom plains, illinois. mom seen the dow when are they? as i sat inside, not knowing what to think you come said the olympics hoping to fulfill your dream and sadden is more to the class action likes him. hi, my coach was supposed to be next to me,
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but now he was down below a when i came back from unit after this whole tragedy, i was very angry, very, very angry and, and my parents, of course they said look, what are you going to do and i said to tell you the truth, i don't know yet, i have to think about it. and they said to me, of course, we would love for you to come back to holland. your financial situation will be much better, your family situation, your security situation. but they said to me, if you decide to stay in as well,
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we totally accept that. and we will come as many times as you allow us to come. so it took me a few days and they said, this is the place where i have to be i will never be able to explain to her not to the baby or father was or why it happened. if i live in amsterdam in a beautiful house in whatever. 8 8 8 ah. 8 looks any facility when i got back to israel, i thought so this is my mission now. marsha, this is what i'm going to do. the only thing i'm going to return to the olympics and not allow it's really spirit to be broken in the majority because that's what they want to break houses and boy cost us everywhere. lee, from our limpy, i decided to go back to the olympics. silly i reached an olympic finance,
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which was my coaches dream in the showroom. damp in. i broke my record again in the 100 meter hurdles. fine. i could feel all israeli people supporting me as i am. they knew i was continuing my coaches mission with me. it was emotional and professional at the same time, i know it was completely different to a naive dream of going to the olympics. it was much stronger. i certainly didn't want to be vince, but understood that the state might take a different stance that they're all over gum, a bully, good crew insulin. an older girl flu, flu is to illuminate quarto oh, girl flu for food grew merger from god. they occur
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into the killer over a theme unit i, lisa selma. he was at the operation officer and he was the only ville. you see suck greece's go gun. good total though. we're good to good 3 them. i lose them. he's a constant mill, the earl of jews, and this is the ceaseless way to grow through go from under the order of golden me year and her government is secret service team was assembled. they were supposed to target yasser arafat's, protege. ali has some solomon,
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he was the operation chief of black september. this kind of fall as defense as intelligence, spying. oh, good. so for him, she was patricia rocks, bra canadian, introduce herself as a finance which i prefer looking for a french picture agency. i 1st met her as a party with some for at a friend's flat in paris. she stood out because she was very spacious, tall, raven had very lively eyes, strong. but also that was
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a mystery about her. she was really a thought and this was important. she puts an intense into the person in, she gets that person to floor up and get all the information. and then she got what you wanted. she moved on. i was, i was a jet journalist with national realms press. and i think that's looking back on it was shoot, she wanted to, i think, to link up with journalists who might travel and give her an excuse to go to places . and so she would, you know, she said let's go and get the 1st into. was kind of good afternoon. but kelly, i mean, looking back on it, you know, her interest in taking pictures of kind of credit fi. we're not, we're not just you unlisted. sylvia decided that she's going to make a lia,
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and devote herself for the state of israel, no method the price will be afford instead of make a new home you saw this and they wanted to contra. so something i for to, to like to be very low, lemon. hello. my are often you use women as cover ups. you can see jeanette to favor. are somebody woman, but man, you're considered low and that what was talked about? not full time work and definition and not a mission like this in value of low on or is that you spoke colonel region one. it was a very confusing situation and i start understanding that i was in logan something more serious that anticipated and i haven't degree to come weighed. it was kind of
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too late to go back home. but they was such an emergency. they had the need that asylum, it was on the strange move to no way. i started just for a few basic course, apples not chain for anything particular. so i didn't know anything or the majority through showing sold with high from, from low. that showed my photograph, and i said it's not the same or debated. and on the photograph, he has a very special eyebrow, so i don't think it could be him. said there was the said it wasn't in a avalanche,
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decided to go ahead and you ha and good is ready for judy for these really assassination squad and come to the lamp on the trail of been salami. the area behind the munich olympics attack, the whole atmosphere was so unpopular, did so forced in the sick stream, the confusing that they were shadowing, led them to be treated a 30 year old moroccan waiter. and that's why everything faded because it wasn't welter pack. is really played, the patricky was a top man in black september was not be improved by the norwegian. police who think the wrong man was killed. i'd have was yesterday they least didn't listen to anything. i said they chose to ambush. patricky is he and his pregnant wife came over late night bus 2 men unmasked. use boys to 2 pistols with silence. as the kid was, yes, so shattered i bought the whole experience because i never volunteered for such a thing. same type of weapon used in the assassination of arabs in room,
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and i went into my new shock. 6 of the gang were arrested, surrounded by an unprecedented securities. greet quality come over, listened on mute. said police aren't giving much away, which was evident from our interview with a lead investigator. we believe yesterday, 5 different cars were connected with the murder. both of you may act of asked me slither than seen. fall a b r for foreigners. a 2 men and 2 women have been arrested. the o. p, a hole in swedish, canadian and british citizenship hiscock, and had several sets of identity papers with puzzles popular to men are still being sought suspected of firing. the 12 shots that killed boucher unit or collector hickey metals good for open got well it was one day in 1973 in a in saigon where i was reporting the war in vietnam. and i went round the brightest news agency office, and there was a,
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a bulletin meeting and very urgent and snap story from reuters vernacular. i'm from norway saying that there had been a murder in the town called little hammer with. and they listed the names of the i'm cynthia colossal electric kiddos at the time. and one of them was a wife formula from paris sir named as patricia rocks for a freelance photographer who is subsequently identified in fact as sylvia raphael from south african. mm hm. so i was actually from august, it was bit of a day's ready. oh i have crushed myself into why had never had news any suspicions, but i mean she to see everyone in that respect jenny, she turned to see me otherwise, but she was obviously very well trained and kept up this front.
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mm valadez shall on the got the 1st time i met sylvia was when she appeared in court and lyla, hama, i'm up. so the way she appeared and what she said were very impressive of shemelle betsy or fiance of lusty amazon lockets, shalon, we were pushing for gamma and sylvia to be pardoned because they got the longest sentences, 5 and a half years. he had a me how much for his dish on a saturday months he is really bottles of i don't remember exactly how long she was in prison. her sentence was reduced for good behavior. and she was released from clara
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those on the massage team in lyla. i'm out like marianna and sylvia. they really paid a price. ah, i was seen there woman prison outside or so. and you kept in isolation, you don't meet anybody else. and in the beginning, no radio, no papers, no nothing. it wasn't like any torture or anything. it's an all away so, so we're in
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a way this is difficult because everybody was very friendly. ah ah, rather collected, i decided to hang up my running shoes and started family. i had a child of if he here did that, everywhere i go. people ask if i'm still running with the yes i'm still running and the 45 year record is still mine a. i think that's a record in itself out because there's no other country where a new national record wasn't set in the 100 meters over that period to talk to you . after all, it's one of the most popular disciplines and athletics ball. it was unfortunate that i held it for so long a day of an effect. i was waiting for a talent to come along with a guy like he, shaun. ah,
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i follow them because i fell in love with him and that didn't matter where he came from. what he was doing for was going i just wanted to be with him. they was totally in love with him. i cannot explain in words what really love is, know that you cannot, if and standards when you are not together and that you are only waiting for him to come home. and waking up in the morning next of his face the day and it was wonderful. that was the best time of my life. i remember that when i was about 3 or 4 years old, i was playing with a neighbor's kid. and he said to me on arabs killed your father. and i, my mother tells me that i came home and i said, is that true?
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and so then she had to come, sit down and explain more details about it. i want her to understand the situation here, and i also want her to grow up without hating because not everybody killed her father . it's only a very small group, and she has to now this and this was for me, incredibly important to make that point that, that she, because she also has to live with, you know, with the facts. and she could hate also because she grew up without a father. i never stopped trying to get recognition from the international olympic committee. i came already a montoya da olympic games in 76. and i asked for a minute of silence or, you know,
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to recognize what happened with been, ah, a look over the clocks. i've come back to the olympic stadium after 45 years, and i'm wearing the same clothes they gave me here back then from culmination of lloyd ball me me, paula zab. good. them shall. if now, by the takes me back to that time, the mcneil at the duncan lay of the lamb shea but to live for when i 1st came here i was so excited about the olympics. i learned piazza and when i left, i was so sorry. i love nobody. lafayette. so valeca, michel, missouri,
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yes ma'am. it was time, the record was broken after 46 years. i knew some of the mill. i was very happy that diana could do it sooner. this year she's could move on. is the nasty so that there's progress in this country that the athletic program is strong? maybe it would, maybe now more girls will choose the sport with her mom. i clearly asked her as a role model for me. i want to be like her and me, my child for to me or to come or another believe that my plan is to qualify for the tokyo or paris olympics. this is for him to validate for these let's not forget what happened. so that we will make a vow that this will never happen again, that we will do everything they were never willing. because in montreal,
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they said there are 22 arab nations participating in olympics and they will leave and they will go all i said, well let them if they don't understand what you lympics are all about than they should go all the next time in the for example in barcelona, they said to me, you are bringing politics into and i'm bringing politics. you are the biggest political organization there is. then they said to me, after like 30 years or something, they said it's too early. uh huh. what do you want it gone with m avi or something? if you have a problem to say, let's not forget what happened today. is wally jews or whatever don't branch and that there were jewels or is or, and you say that they were part of the olympic family. they were athletes just like you guys are. and then he said, yeah, but the opening ceremony of the olympic games is such
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a joy fall or occasion. we don't want to do something sad like as he thought to respect. and i look the opening ceremony and now they remembered the attack in london and they sat are 46 arab nations. my hands are tight, i said, no, your hands were not tight. the hands of my husband and his teammates are not only his hands were tied. their feet were tied also to the, to the furniture in the, in the they finally came around a memorial ceremony that was in real sunday night in honor of the 11th israeli. after work, the head of the, the president of the international rescue committee had this memorial service. he called out to names. well, he had a minute of silence and looked around and a sold is buildings of the olympic village. and i said, andre, at top, 44 years, but now you have it. finally, you and your teammates,
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the recognition that was long due to you because you came to the olympic games in order to participate in this festival of love and brother, old and peace and whatever. and you old, came home in the coffins, and this, the world should not forget. i can only be very grateful that they've done this work because it, 50 years later, almost here we are still talking about the story still mentioning it. and it's mostly because they didn't let the world forget of what happened in unit because we know that those i forget his story. are bound story. peters. and people looked at me many times. they said yes, she is. again. i said, yes,
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i will be here again until you do the right thing. finally, after 45 years, this beautiful memorial was erected on the very grounds of the munich olympic village. under a should be foundry spitzer, fish fencing trainer 27 years old here. and the least bit so if for no legal, ha ha ha. so shawn, their sports fits that we've built before. no legal or from marks, le, with all mine for unquote, on league of our been slow,
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she was dying. sion is shown here as a really was crazy about his baby daughter. this is a picture when we got married in hollins. as a fencing trainer his students came, surprises when we came out. and this is the mascot of the olympic games of munich. and then i came into the room to take his personal things to was really nothing to be taken because everything was blood needs and so on. but the only things i took was this little dog that he bought for the baby, our baby. and we still have the scores still to that. and from all the athletes, you know, we have personal things. they were firmly men. they were, they had shore and they did all kinds of things. and it was important for me that this will be shown that they were not only in name, but that they see all these people. what am i good news? you're losing
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a spokesman for the interior ministry announced that the olympic games would continue. foreclosures, unbelievable. if ab andalum sheila implicitly life returned to norman with that was painful because we had left the blood of our loved ones that are im, shalana a that machine. what's english more people want to hear the store i lent him habash. i have to start from the beginning again and again. they become a part of me to hide. apparently, i still do it because we're talking about it right now. i am convinced that if the world would have reacted differently, munich because munich was more or less the opening shot for international terrorism,
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abbas terrorism before, of course, but not on the skill that the whole world was watching. if even the international olympic committee, which is a very powerful organization, if they would have taken a stand and condemned it, it would not be in this situation as it is now, is it's a crazy situation here with them. for the last 30 years, i've been working like a foreign correspondent for dutch animals in the television and radio reporting on the middle east. i'm often in the gaza strip. for me, it's very important to show what is happening here. i tried to show both sides objectively, although objectivity doesn't really exist, but you know, without this thing this,
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this cloud hangs in the back of my head without having this, my history interfere with my opinions or with my subjects or whatever. ah is it? i don't feel like talking it wasn't a story. i was so proud of. and wendy stuff, i'll be starting with these through natural got the papers i saw to do to little bit, but i haven't got to read reading will the letters. i would love to letters for pick, but i know when i took them out after 40 years,
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a lot of work to take care of the place or to my house takes time when you have scars on his heels and you don't deal with it. look better much to door to the scars in too much time paused. you put the lead on it and you go back and you continue for good and worse and let what i've been doing all this year. my case, i think a how are other optimistic view so, and i'm curious else what happening and new things and that's why i don't remember so much. now if i leave behind. so let's
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high did really i don't know. i mean, i think that although sylvia had the viciousness about her, there was possibly a, a loneliness on her life because it was a life of deception, too low. she was very resilient to the trial and ah, ah, acted as if it didn't matter that they'd killed an innocent man an order in front of his pregnant wife. it must have been a moment when ross been afterwards. when she got out of prison, she fell in love with the man she spent the rest of her life. with her defense lawyer, it must have been a moment when she risotto life, i think and reconsidered what was important and went back to her roots in south africa and ultimately and it live to quite existence. and i like that phrase that
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she used in talking to in his rage on this one. so i want to live in honesty. i think it's, it's, it's very tough actually, she was living a double life. and you can keep that up. i mean for, for a certain length of time and, and then something goes wrong and, and all you built out has, is sudden exploded and shattered. she was suddenly found to be living ally, and i think that's guessed, that's the admission of that is hard to come to terms with in
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voices of the birds around here. we can get the wind of the trees. she couldn't. i think she couldn't stay chosen a better place to lay down in the peaceful with hell fence for the end of him. ah, i don't think there is healing for a murder. this loss will go with me till the last day of my life. i think that that saved her the fact that she was so focused on her commemoration and getting justice. i think that was her only way to survive and
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to keep my father alive. i owe it to him because i know who he was and he was the gentlest and most peace loving person . and to think that they die, that his hands and his feet knocked off his glasses broke his bones. i think this is unacceptable. this i will never forgive anyone for doing this. my dad must have been the love of her life because this, that girl, ah, for her to be willing to leave a very comfortable life and come to israel 147 years ago. and her sacrifice all of that for him. and it must have been love. i think she will be always be busy with her,
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making sure that the munich story is kept alive and, and i hope for her that finally, after all these years she will be able to not forget, but put it to rest. she also deserves till go on it. there took too many years of her life. so i have one more thing on my littlest. i do want a independent investigation committee to really find out what happened because the story is not that simple. that 8 palestinians came to kill 11, his res. we were denied access to all the documents for 20 years, and somebody stole will worked in the archives in munich. he stole 80 pages and with these 80 pages read f
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b were successful and we got 4000 files and, and hundreds of pictures. and the things that you already read are unbelievable. if you know that you're right outside of munich, 2 weeks before the olympic games, they let palestinians train in a german military camp for what you know, and this is just wanting. there are many, many other things that we found. and i think i o, it's not only to my husband and to his friends, but also to history that the right things will be told. and that is my last project . and then i hope i can go home because that was a long and lonely journey. here i met you that master. he must die yet. i will see that your mother did it when she would always do on the tail. the poor dog is
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my looks. but here's the thing. life starts with me. you see i feed. every fruit comes from me. every potato, me, every colonel of corn, me every grain of rice. me. me mean me. i know, but it's true. and sometimes i feed their souls. i am their words when they have none. i say, i love you without a sound. i'm sorry, without a voice. i inspire the greatest of them. painters, poets, pattern makers. i've been amused to them all. but in my experience, people underestimate the power of a pretty little flower because their life does start with me.
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and it could add without me, with this is, did i do news live from berlin? russia bids farewell to former liter mikhail gorbachev. crowds lined up in moscow to see the blast leader of the soviet union laid to rest. but there is no full state funeral for the men. some russians reject as a traitor. also coming up,
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