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50 percent of their population. so if you put a wealth of $600000000.00 africans together, it us not much up to the top, the wealthiest men on the continent. if you want to hear what this sort of disparity does to people and societies, then come with me to michael in legos. my colleague, it had kimani and her crew bought at one of the small fish and canoes to the settlement, to talk to the people who feel left behind. i hello and welcome back to the 7 to 7 percent this week. we are in lagos, nigeria, more specifically, where in michael and informal area in this place now recently are the most recent figures by then a jury. a bureau statistics indicate that about 18000000 people living in extreme poverty. this means people who and just over $300.00 a year. but the world bank estimates that that figure will probably have shot up to

$100000000.00 by the end of this year. that's 2022. as the were wondering how did those people who live in extreme poverty live side by side with some of the richest on the continent, and what does that disparity to society? well, i've got here a panel of very good looking people who are ready to speak to me, and i'm going to start with henry who was for oxfam. and you also did a report on in quality, but before we get to your findings, this is the 1st time that you're hearing macro ko. just give me your views so far what, what do you think it's is quite sad disheartening to see on ground what we on the lies on people are somewhere in the on television or in the media. i haven't seen r o y displaces so disassociated from the rest of the of the country. i haven't quite seen a people as impoverished as i'm seeing here today. i will say in an environment asa visited has some seen here today. i will quite seen lack of government present like i'm seeing here today is, is quite disheartening. i must say. all right,

so i want to ask noel, who, by the way, we are at a school, a noise, the one who runs the school or so you live in this area. how does it feel to hear that your fellow negotiate? who live just next door? i've never been here in these girls will sure do shug goods russia on the poor get poorer? because all these accumulated arbiter system for more to wander years on the population of people living or what i hear is what i want a 1000 people. thousands of children at home, doctor decal on the dishes, in the college under dazzled grub, my presence in this communist. okay, let me speak to kim for a 2nd. so the people who are assisting come from these sorts of communities, but is it common for you to hear that the people who live in these communities are excluded as henry was saying from the rest of society? yes, so most of these women are really excluded form like for the financial system. so most of them are left behind. so we are coming to reach doug, because like you see,

most of us who end it'll have cool. i tried some of them to know have bank account, didn't have it, so we helped facilitate that. we held them kick start stuff and okay, inclusion, john, all right, before we get to, you know, what can be done to stop this inequality. henry, i want to come back to you because i want to understand, you know, michael has been in existence as we've heard from noah for over a 100 years. but how did we get to this place where an entire community is living on the outskirts of a city and being excluded in every sense of the word? the issue of poverty is not us in sort of resources not been available. is because our resources are available, but a few people that one percent or that 5 percent have actually hedge up the entire resources and opportunity. i'm so far all some of the drive us off inequality, right? that includes our political car capture, right? we are politics actually are producing the police car in actually capture the entire opportunity on resources. i do what i drive was actually included at high high point me to high cost of governance. yeah. okay. let me ask the other are you

like to add? alright, let me introduce fun, me to the, to the, to the conversation. going okay. very big issue that i found out among people with the via is regressive taxation. people in this community are fishermen, people yet to not really wants to leave displeased. they wants this space to be suitable for them to fish. and then when they get to the market where they want to sell their fish, every time song is coming to them. say, or you have to pay the stocks you have to pay back stocks. you have to pay this tax . now in nigeria, they claimed public education is free. what then before you're charged and i says that public education love to show proof of the rent of docs. unfortunately, the kind of talks that did pick is not the kind of black box that has proved that you pay tax. which means that they also have to pay another form of tax, i think is $20000.00 here before they're enrolled into for this school. so this is a reason why many people yet do not have access to education on de la bassette else care. i know that economic drive us ok. let me speak to henry because i wanted to ask him, having grown up, you grew up in michael korea but not on the water side. on the land side. these are

reality the to experiencing ever did. what growing up there was light, so green of him. okay. for me outside that a privilege. good to privilege in the sense that i had to you know, try as much as was who landed by the through yes. going with parents, if you're inside to get there indefinitely, you really want to push you to do more, more in, in a scenario by your appearance too, or no really diary to cater and even the environment. you find yourself. people are not pushing dots, a level of education, and i told you the other half thousands of children, women are on the streets. no. going to school. yeah. to bore. i'm just up what you that might be inside to get it on the fight. he knew duff la fight for me to make sure that i attended degree of education. right. so what you're describing hayes, what academics would say is a cycle of poverty j. daniel, is it something that you also experienced? no, you didn't grow up in michael. but as an informal settlement as well, well, it was the experience similar to what we're observing minus similar,

but not this extreme. because i mean coming from a place where you have to suit constantly provide for yourself. you have to constantly do things for yourself, just like, oh, my kind of colleague said that the governments are not really interested in r o b. we've seen on government organizations come down to these communities just to take pictures because they want to post on social media. they want to make it look like they're doing something. so i think what is the real problem? it's not that we don't have the resources for the problem is they really don't see this. people are all okay. let me move to. fortune was standing right next to you and he is an advisor actually to a local official. and so being the person who informs the kind of decision that are taken to restore places like this, i guess the question is, why is nothing changing ok on this is what you are seeing here today is not just peculiar to this community, a distant presence. it know every other african countries,

and i want to believe that, but really not this extreme. yes, but what i'm trying to see in a nutshell is, is what you are seeing here today is, is, is the results of greed. are you getting me the results of great, you know, the african leaders in law be i've not called cut greed and that is why we are not impact sick. so police like these, just like what said, danny george said, you know, sometimes the good to dis long. it took b chores. and the rest of the town got a young here today. and i have seen her 1st found myself a 1st very bad. so very pathetic. like, you know, human beast like me are leave union, this kind of it police are you get to me? that's why i said it's not dosepak will out to this way please. it transcends or you go to me. so yes, yes, yes, i a bit before before we, before we get to the 2 of you, let me invite to the other, daniel i, yes, we have to daniel's. and to henry is i hope we can keep up. so daniel, we're talking about distribution of resources and i have to ask because you work

and found it if i believe, follow the money out where the gobs every year when the budget is read out, these a lot of money being pumped into the country. why isn't it getting here? it's been a systemic issue for people not to be able to for government are supposed to kiddo, for the needs of people living is going to speak. but to take care of them. dear is so much greed is so much of a problem of people not on a sunday funding. there is need for people to be to be taken care of. so leadership is a major problem and that is all your local. all right, no, i you wanted to know, i wanted to say something like a little bit amy, elgar was up through what from move. yeah. in julia, every child does homage good or whatever. well, what i'd like to, to come to the school, what are under the law, how you can take a life from the water and put it on the lot. glad to survive. you can of us about how many schools are here. no school they are. this is the middle school. what's on here? we also have some sole source. can we do this company to do you have any hospitals, police station with diesel police or what time would you have to go? miss school goes to government maternity. does which or what are we be living here

from what? andreas? yeah. i mean, it has something to say to me and then henry, i'm guessing what, daniel, i say this is like this. i know developed not because the government goes on with that issue developing well because the government, the government is bent on commercializing, places like this. for example, on an island which is present like the most expensive is where you can leave illegals. is, was this mom and we have a lot of people will leave you moved to dismissal, banana island. so places like these identified by the government. and i have read and also spoken with newsman boss who told me that it doesn't on it says man 12 i think says not through this, this was about to be demolished on them. they got a notification on 2 days ago. we found right that they have sold, disappears to some government officials on that in 2 years. this, this is 150 going to be the more use. and then if that happens in 5 years, you're going to see it fancy sta. that is going to be sold to people who cannot afford deeds, and it's still going to be the same rich people that are buying the sim assets that

we have in here. okay, let me ask henry, because having lived in this community, was that a fear that you had because i've had it said that, yeah, people don't know if tomorrow they're going to wake up and their house is going to be under water. yeah, that's why most people a look at houses. some of them don't really wants to innovate the house because you're scared of kid by tomorrow. not to go my your strawman. take all of us who is so why am i doing this for the morning when i'm looking at this. ok, if governments want him to have up with this, this, what that what, what has social life you would, how did you want it to keep surviving? because this people are fish, i mean they need to fish in water, stuff like that to eat. yeah. going to take them out of way just the way i did. and then 3, let me, let me, let me ask for you for a 2nd here because based on this, on the, in the rooms you sit with is the plan to get rid informal settlements. like michael recently there was something happening that particular community in legos states and in what you chose discovered that in or some persons say drop to particular

please, you know, give it outside your cronies. but our incom renter. gov nor, you know, he came to set the stand as deeds on in the street and shot dogs. you know, the rifle or nuts of the properties in all had are says to the properties and it is see for the people in that community fee. are you getting me so sometimes i think we, we are also having issues with in for me shows. i'm not telling you that some of this is are not happening. are you getting me? but we, what i know right now d, d, d, present got know we have in lucas did is a very, very, as in plots you've got no, like, you know, he's very emphatic. yes. henry, who had something to say to me earlier, and then we'll come to, you know, yes i wanted to mention at defax i, when he met on greed that force. and i said, i recall what happened. i just saw 2 weeks ago of a particular of mentor official who was accused of stealing 80000000000. and i can imagine what 80000000000 can do in dismantle communism. can actually build

a law up to the 4 schools here. we can build up to a for our hospitals, health of international stand that provide the basic amenities for dispatch black committee. but well, what we see is the revised what we see the revised because most of this government official that keith's eyes cooler, broad in the you care in the us on all of that the, the go for, for, for, for health or is in themselves, you know, they don't have we, it's locally. yeah. so, so, so when can i tell you actually got a lot on watch and what am i asked now much by example, and i come back and if not have breakfast in league. so it's, it's so it's so pathetic that so i will go michael fish out of doors. exactly. care and next year's election will be all about. it's a would people that in local police is in or asking them to vote for them, but be all about right in bossy would people and on the streets, begging boots when they secure the sports compton is when the 3 that is out there from the street ok back into a coupla days or distrust not distressed, but these lack of transparency from the people who are running for office in as far

as what their plans are with this area. okay, but daniel, i want to give daniel a chance to talk about what he's doing because while we're hearing that there's very little empathy going round, you're actually doing something to try and transformed his community to tell us what you're doing. we barking 2015. i said talking to my friends. i said, are we need to start teaching our friends, our fellow friends within the community, on graphics design, coding and microsoft excel. we need them to learn as q, so they can provide for themselves. perez, it doesn't seem like we have jobs for when we started. we noticed there was a problem because most of us we did not amusing us because it's inclusive. now most of us from our community don't know how to read and write in english. so that was when we studied on providing them would be excused, like how to understand english, how to write in english, how to solve mountain masses and from dead. the idea roof, we say getting on was i getting notice from on, on bigger organizations within our communities, people only infest in community slide these when they sometimes when there's

something that again, okay, i want to move the conversation along because unfortunately the rain is threatening to throw this party off, but we must continue. so one of the consequences, no, i want to come back to you because we've had a lot about insecurity in this country. i'm wondering if it's a symptom of inequality. what are some of the things that you're seeing as a result of people being left behind? if there is any college in the country, the concert formed from guys drone 30 joy, people doubt brew riots because they're going to have dr. doodle on what to do right on the, into the color which the shown government to do new to do something here. for me, i like to hear what, ah, this subtle or this level of inequality does for women. because unfortunately, our agenda is always destroy sneaky affected when it comes to issues like this in communities like this. i cases of 1st marriages, child my age is too much pregnancy abuse andrea. because all we have called her out

of something called her on tried shannon believes not then to think that we may not of the less of value we may get married as soon as possible. but we have found out lots many government policies that we have an idea that wind is coming into the laundry about it because we have very, we have no government presents it. also, when we men are forced to be married out when we main raped when we miss his domestic violence, we do not have support for their me. how on the federal government tried to reach communities like this to ensure that we maintain this from the dfcs day? all right, so let me ask fortune. that same question. you did speak very highly about your governor earlier, but the question is, why hasn't that governor brought schools, hospitals, police stations to this place if you think so highly of it, okay. when we talk about developments, when we talk about said goods, it's not just an automatic thing or you get to me it's, it's, it's b 6 got dropped process. so for me, i have when we are getting rid of these very please, because i know data sometimes in the future. anything can come or are you good to

me? i know i don't, i don't understand that. so you don't develop it because of what might happen in the future. no, no, no, i'm not seeing these. it's not going to be different loops. you know, i do more minutes, right now. i don't even know what is the plan of the government cosigning his way. please recall. i don't even know that the police ladies does as i'm just having the idea to do so. i cannot actually so good. this is what has been dear, or this is what is going to happen. yeah. okay, daniel, ah, let me, let me, let me come to henry a. daniel, you're itching, talk to me, talk to me, daniel. so it is obvious that there is no sustainable plan or government that he gently on how to make this police what is supposed to be. the only don't get to your government in the news. iran is just like this is we're ok. we need to do more news. yes. please. okay. we need to find it please. or maybe move even in you know, moving to people, there is no sustainable plump. yeah. to move them please. please, please are you suki. this is a better time me from as no, i said, i don't think moving from is the option because they're fishermen,

they don't want him. exactly. so you've changed since they did really want to steer . what is the plan for disco, henry henry, what is it? okay, what was your time? of course you got me post ollie's to love excuses, trust me, and he has got the, i'll give you another business coupon here while ago. but again, you say you see a committee like this is, is, is similar to the court area where we had a last lie reg, detailing project lance, lance, we again from to see from the what's as why and again this land from this water. and i handed over back to the people and i give them access to the see where they can fish, because it's not meant piracy is because the power to that we're getting for them, say under the, for the on good. pick up the big names in danger. all the, all the 5 big below, yes. the, the comfortable spend your wealth in the lifetime, and there's a community existing like this. so, so would it be a good kind of wanted to hello to heaven? well, i get one day, one of them begin to look at, look at what i mean of, of actually reduced and written bus resources to taxes. this issues i because,

but they do not prioritize the informal economy. trust me that boxiness, that consciousness is environmental, right? but they're not that much. i see. yeah. and what, yes, the area was gonna see on sooner. see, let me just tell you, let me just the new lease. you are saying something about even with the machine, affects the people under restful week. if you want change, there is consequences for change or you get to me, if the very place is going to a spurious development, automatic gully, every inhabitants of these very place must be affected. so it's not like nearby i am defending the government or whatsoever if they're going to develop these ready police get is not sonton of to yes, because this place is what are lot. are you getting resort? is something i would take years i am talking about isn't it depends on the kind of dilemma latinos are we talking about the room in the sense that you want to demolish? if you're looking at cost,

if they're gonna develop these ready please. it's has to got done because there's not it for you children or victor years. no, no, it's wrong. okay. okay, let me let me a blow job. i was on became a capital that became a capital in in 9089. i'm moving, moving from there. got well, no, hold on, hold on, let us to i, buddha, i love to have happen. a lot of things happen in our mortgage, everyone, everyone, while i love the energy of this debates, we need to have it be one person at a time. henry, let's hear from you. yes. so, so when, when let, when cut the cut that moved trabusia. but then the use of a boucher graph at tape and do it directly to relocate to a safe place before those areas where develop window where they will look them back to the lab. one fortune is saying that something huh. it's not, it's not exactly the same. what's what they can do, right? is the center. i didn't have to jump out real quick them. what's the real kick them out? he had a lovely person. bring them back. okay. okay, so i'm sorry we have to wrap up and so i'm a but to ask for solutions. i need to know what the nigerian government can do, what african governments can do to close the gap between the rich and the poor.

let's hear from you, daniel. and in terms of solutions, i think one needs to be done is proper sensitization within this community. we need to festival. the government needs to calm down into this, please, and make them feel loved. first, they need to be in part. they need to know that the government care, the younger people here, she talked about the rate of rebates within this community. the gilson to be taken care of, then need to be education within this, please. exactly need skews. we leave in the community where it's either you're self employed or you're not doing anything. so we need to empower this group. definitely . when you talk about the people from display, the only perceived them to be street kids to cause violence, to cross news as and these things aren't intentional. so for the government to see change for the government to see our progress, the need to bring this people into the system. i'll fortune you've got something to say to me. when i started, i said our problem in africa is great. now, for doses are done, m mentioned should becoming reality one. the african governments mosque. thank

god, good number to our henry serge. our legislators id, ford's highest speed in the would they have to coach on government part done on government calls, you know, they wouldn't know is possibly, you know, he wanted more debt. there's a whole lot going on in africa right now. okay. well, a lot of revolutions under restaurant, i'm totally not simple because if this is what's happened, our governments in africa was called god glued. okay? because there's so much this enormous resources in africa to take your less use like these. what the problem is these, that if you are just sitting on the common weights off the mask, all right, so can let me hear from you any solutions for me. how do we stop income inequality? so for me i miss alicia and i'll give to the government is for if almost settlements ladies data is key. so how do you, do you know how many people need?

yes. then for dis settlement to concrete. am low cost housing for these people. so and you don't need to empower down women so because we believe that when you empower. 1 it woman, she empires our committee so great in solutions to, to bring about economic opportunities for the people in dis, communities. so skills development, assess to finance. it's very key because you can teach me as cable. if i don't have to walk in tools, i will glance that a business or was not this week. we did, we will no doubt organizations that can help them, you know, need to stay your community to be empowered. you can go outside, be empowered and you come back on change. okay, fantastic. daniel, let's hear from you. okay, so i think women is for sure. search on commitments. make sure people you are. the verbiage is levy before them. the resources that are meant for them, please let it gets or do make them feel like they belong to the legislature. okay.

henry, you said something earlier about the richest man, not being able to spend his wealth in a lifetime, but should he give it up? i mean, if you had billions, would you give it up for that got measured with deliberate about it. god bless you, the instrument of tax to redistribute that kind of resources here, such data, the chorus of person can i tell you have access to the, the most basic of facilities and amenities. what goldlick i'm also do is to be put was with deliberate to invest in critical sectors. yeah. like health education on an infrastructure to also ensure that these people have access to them. god make on us. well assured that young people have jobs. yeah. because the reason why you see a love is the christina conscience, because this guys don't have jobs. if you'll chris job for them and give them a meaningful environment. there will not be on history will not be under to korean gone. i kinda feel okay mondays and i think i got i should able to, to move up to you. so i hope everyone ability pumped into trinity. okay. for me, do you have any ideas of what we can do to end? well, thing the quality, the government needs to stop listening to people from community such as the us up stop listening to just while you see spots well,

most likely never stepped our feet into this community. for example, if accident in people will say, oh, move them out of this community. i'm people from this company, jesse, we want to be bid. just want to make it better. so come to such as distribute, listen to half the all me since, and get to with them. why engage with them? i mean, he seems to them, you know, exactly what feeds for between each community. okay? and i'd like to close this debate by asking no, our personal question. if you had it your way and you had all the money in the world and the power, what would be the 1st 3 things he would do for the people of mexico? the 1st to know do is to michelle, do you have access to educational? second is to measure that. dia, i'm with chris. we didn't commented. is to thought was to empower dukes because i i thought people who were bought i bought up or what i hear is he asked or bought for 2 years. but he under my step on lunch anees very comfortably b. j bud fisher coming back double to tell you that live in or what that is our

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