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50 percent of their population. so if you put a wealth of 600000000 africans together, it has not much up to the top, the wealthiest men on the continent. if you want to hear what this sort of disparity does to people and societies, then come with me to mckoko in legos. my colleague, it had kimani and her crew bought at one of the small fish and canoes to the settlement, to talk to the people who feel left behind. i hello and welcome back to the 7 to 7 percent this week. we are in lagos, nigeria, more specifically, where in michael and informal area in this place now recently are the most recent figures by then a jury. a bureau statistics indicate that about 80000000 people living in extreme poverty. this means people who and just over $300.00 a year. but the world bank estimates that that figure will probably have shot up to $100000000.00 by the end of this year. that's 2022. and so we're wondering how did

those people who live in extreme poverty live side by side with some of the richest on the continent, and what does that disparity to society? well, i've got here a panel of very good looking people who are ready to speak to me, and i'm going to start with henry who was for oxfam. and you also did a report on in quality, but before we get to your findings, this is the 1st time that you're hearing mckoko. just give me your views so far what, what do you think it's is quite sad disheartening to see on ground what we on the lies on people our somewhere in the on television or in the media. i haven't seen r o y displaces so disassociated from the rest of the of the country. i haven't quite seen a people as impoverished us. i'm soon here today. i will see in an environment asa visited how some scene here today. i will quite stay in lack of government present like i'm seeing here today is, is quite disheartening. i must say. all right, so i want to ask noel, who, by the way, we are at a school, a noise,

the one who runs the school or so you live in this area. how does it feel to hear that your fellow negotiate? who live just next door? i've never been here in this close to the sean, do shug goods russia on the poor get poorer? because our lisa calmness, regardless system for model warned or years under published or people living or what i hear is what i want a 1000 to put thousands of children at home. doctor degrees shall under this inequality under dazzled grub. my presence in this communist. okay, let me speak to kim for a 2nd. so the people who are assisting come from these sorts of communities. but is it common for you to hear that the people who live in these communities are excluded? as henry was saying from the rest of society? yes, so most of these 3 men are really excluded form, like for the financial system. so most of them are left behind. so we are coming to reach doug, because like you see, most of us who end it'll have cool. i tried some of them, you know,

have bank account, didn't have it, so we helped facilitate that. we helped them kick start stuff and okay, inclusion, john, all right, before we get to, you know, what can be done to stop this inequality. henry, i want to come back to you because i want to understand, you know, michael has been in existence as we've had from noah for over a 100 years. but how did we get to this place where an entire community is living on the outskirts of a city and being excluded in every sense of the word you show of poverty? it's not us in sort of resources not been available is because our resources are available, but a few people that one percent or that 5 percent have actually hijacked the entire resources and opportunity. i'm so far all some of the drive us off inequality right . includes our political car capture, right? we are politics actually are producing the police car in actually capture the entire opportunity on resources. i do what i drive was actually included at high high point me to high cost of governance. yeah. okay. let me ask the other, are you like to add? alright, let me introduce fun. me to, to the, to the,

to the conversation going okay. very big issue that i found out among people with the via is regressive taxation. people in this community are fishermen, people yet to not really want to leave displeased. they wanted the space to be stood there before them to fish. and then when they get to the market where they want to sell their fish, every time song is coming to them say, or you have to pay the stocks you have to pay back stocks, you have to pay the stocks. now in nigeria, they claimed public education is free. what then before you are charged and i says that public education, you have to show proof of the rent of docs. unfortunately, the kind of talks that did pay it is not the kind of flat docs the husk groom that you pay tax, which means that they also have to be another form of stocks, i think is 20000 here before they're enrolled into public school. so this is a reason why many people yet do not have access to education on de la bus. it's else care. i know that economic drive class. ok. let me speak to henry because i wanted to ask him, having grown up, you grew up in michael korea, but not on the water side. on the land side. these are reality the to experiencing

ever did. what growing up there was light, so bring up in america for me outside that a privilege. give it a privilege in the sense that i had to you know, try as much as was, who landed by the to yes. going with appearance. difference i to get there indefinitely. you really want to push you to do more, more in, in a scenario by your appearance to are normally very dictated on even the environment . you find yourself. people are not pushing dots, a level of education. can i tell you the other? yeah, of thousands of children bruner under st. snow. going to school. yeah. to bore. i'm just up what you might be inside to get that on the fright. he knew the la fight for me to make sure that i attended degree of education. right. so what you're describing hayes, what academics would say is a cycle of poverty j. daniel, is it something that you also experienced? no, you didn't grow up in local, but as an informal settlement as well. well, it was the experience similar to what? well, deserving minus similar but not this extreme. because, i mean coming from

a place where you have to shoot constant at least provide for yourself. you have to constantly do things for yourself, just like, oh, my kind of colleague said that the governments are not really interested in our well being. we've seen on government organizations come down to these communities just to take pictures because they want to post on social media. they want to make it look like they're doing something. so i think what is the real problem? it's not that we don't have the resources, but the problem is they really don't see this people as our own. okay, let me move to. fortune was standing right next to you and he is an advisor actually to a local official. and so being the person who informs the kind of decisions that are taken to restore places like this, i guess the question is why is nothing changing? ok on the trip is what you are seeing here today is not just because out of this community, a distant presence in all every order african countries. and i want to believe that

but really not this extreme. yes. but what i'm trying to see in a nutshell is, is what you are seeing here today is, is, is a result of greed. are you getting me the results of great, you know, the african leaders in all the of not can't cut greed. and that is what you're not impact sick. so police, he's like these just like what they're done. they just said, you know, sometimes the good to dis long. it took b chores under rest of the town. got a young here today. and i have seen her 1st found myself a 1st very bought, so very pathetic. like, you know, human beings like me are leave union, this kind of a police are you get to me? that's why i said it is not just spoke. well that's what is right please. it transcends or you go to me. so yes, yes, yes, i have been before before we, before we get to the 2 of you, let me invite or the other daniel? yes, we have to daniel's. and to henry is i hope you can keep up. so daniel, we're talking about distribution of resources and i have to ask because you work and found it if i believe, follow the money out where the gobs every year when the budget is read out,

there's a lot of money being pumped into the country. why isn't it getting here? it's been a systemic issue for people not to be able to for government are supposed to get off with the needs of people leaving this kind of space, but to take care of them. dear is so much greedy, so much of a problem of people not on a sunday funding. there is need for people to be to be taken care of. so leadership is a major problem and that is all your local. all right, no i you wanted to, no one wants it to say something to me all towards up to what for me to do it. in the junior, every child does homage, bush or whatever. well, what doesn't like to to come to the school? what's off under this bull? how you can pick a life from the water? i'm political. do i love to survive? it kind of us about how many schools are here. no schools are. yeah, this is the middle school. what i her, we also have some support for school. we do this company to do you have any hospitals, police station which is a police or what time would you have got miss goggles to government maternity? does which or what are we be living there from what andre?

yes. yeah. when me it had something to say to me and then henry, i'm guessing what daniella this is like this. i'm not developed, not because the government goes on with that issue developing well because the government, the government is bent on commercialize in places like this. for example, on an island which is presenting liked him, was expensive, is where you are leaving the goes. it was his mom and we have a lot of people will leave you moved to dismissal, banana island. so places like these identified by the government. and i've read and also spoken with companies member who told me that it doesn't. on 82912 i think says on to this, this was about to be demolished on them. they got a notification to, did they go? if i'm right that they have sold disappears to some government officials on that in 2 years. this, this is 150 going through the mortgage. and then if that happens in 5 years, you're going to see it fancy sta. that is going to be sold to people who cannot afford deeds, and it's still going to be the same rich people that are buying the sim assets that

we have in nigeria. okay, let me ask henry, because having lived in this community, was that a fear that you had because i've had it said that yeah, people don't know if tomorrow they went to wake up and their house is going to be under water. yeah, that's why most people will look at the houses. some of them don't really want to ruin a video house because you're scared of kid, but some are not gonna just come on. take all of us we. so why am i doing this for the morning when i'm looking at it? if governments want him to, if i could just do what i okay, what so slightly with how did you want to keep surviving cause dishwasher ment. okay. they need to fish on water, stuff like that. so if they are going to take them out of widest, the way i did. and then 3, let me, let me, let me ask fortune for a 2nd here because based on this, on the, in the rooms you sit with is the plan to get rid of informal settlements. like mccorkle recently, there was something hopping about to pull up for me need see in legos states on in lot you chose discovered that in those song passes sir, drop to particular blues, you know, giving us what your cronies but our incom renter. gov nor, you know,

she came to set the standards to turn in was treat on e and shot dogs. you know, the rifle or not of the properties in all had are says to the properties and it is the for the people in that community fee. are you getting me? so sometimes i think we, we are also having issues with you for me shows. i'm not telling you that some of this is, are not happening. are you getting me? but we, what i know right now d, d, d, present. gov. know we have in lucas did is a very, very, as the proxy. gov know like, you know, he's very emphatic. yes. from henry who had something to say to me earlier, and then we'll come to, you know, yes, i want it so may shine at defax. i, when he mesh on greed that force and i said, i recall what happened. i just saw 2 weeks ago of a particular of mentor official who was accused of stealing 80000000000. and i can imagine what 80000000000 can do in dismantled communism. can actually build

a law up to 34 schools here. we can build up to a for our hospitals, health of international stand that provide the basic amenities for dispatch black committee. but well, what we see is the revised what we see the rebuttal because most of this government, official jackets, eyes cooler, broad into your care in the us on all of that. the, the go for, for, for, for health tours in themselves. you know, they don't, we, it's local. yeah. so so, so one can actually actually got a lot on what and what's out asked now much for example, and then come back and be given how brick flossing league or so it's, it's so it's so pathetic that. so i've just bought my coffee shop. don't exactly care. i'm next year's election though. be all about it's in with the people that in local police is in or absent them to vote for them to be all about right in bossy would people and on the streets begging for both one they secured is bought. com. 2023. that is out there from the street. okay. back into a couple of days. i distrust not distressed, but these lack of transparency from the people who are running for office in as far

as what their plans are with this area. okay, but daniel, i want to give daniel a chance to talk about what he's doing because while we're hearing that there's very little empathy going round, you're actually doing something to try and transformed his committee to tell us what you're doing, way back in 2015 i sat talking to my friends, i said, we need to start teaching our friends, our fellow friends within the community, on graphics design, coding and microsoft excel. we need them to learn as q, so they can provide for themselves. perez, it doesn't seem like we have jobs for when we started. we noticed there was a problem because most of us we did not amusing us because it's inclusive. now most of us from our community don't know how to read and write in english. so that was when we studied on providing them would be excused, like how to understand english, how to write in english, how to solve my to masses and from dead the i did roof, we say getting on was i get a notice from on, on bigger organizations within our communities, people only infest in community slide these when they sometimes when there's

something to going. okay, i want to move the conversation along because unfortunately the rain is threatening to throw this party off, but we must continue. so one of the consequences, no, i want to come back to you because we've had a lot about insecurity in this country. i'm wondering if it's a symptom of inequality. what are some of the things that you're seeing as a result of people being left behind? if there's any college in the country we got it from from, has joined such joy, people doubt do riots because they're going to have job to do to learn what to do right under in difficult petition government. you do need to do something. yeah. for me, i'd like to hear what, ah, this sort of or this level of inequality does for women because unfortunately i'll agenda is always disproportionately affected when it comes to issues like this. income is, is like this. i cases of course, marriages, chad, my age is too much pregnancy abuse andrea because all we have called her out of southern culture on traction. i believe i tend to think that we may not of the less

of value we men should get married. as soon as possible, what we have found out lots many government policies that we have in nigeria between this company to do laundry about it because we have very, we have no government presents here. also, when we men are forced to be married out when we main raped when we met his domestic violence, we do not house support for their me. how as the federal government tried to reach companies like this to a show that we many this from the dfcs, they all right, let me ask for you in that same question. you did speak very highly about your governor earlier, but the question is, why hasn't that governor brought schools, hospitals, police stations to this place if you think so highly of it, okay. when we talk about developments, when we talk about said goods, it's just not just an automatic thing. are you good to me? it's, it's, it's, it's, it's got dropped process. so for me, i have when we are getting rid of these ready, please. because i know data sometimes in the future, anything can come more or you go to me. i know i don't,

i don't understand that. so you don't develop it because of what might happen in the future. no, no, no, i'm not saying this is not going to be different loops. you know, i do more minutes right now. i don't even know what is a plan of the government course, finding his way, please, because i don't even know that the police like these dos as this. i'm just having the idea to do so i cannot actually sorted. this is what has been dear, or this is what is going to happen. yeah. okay, daniel. ah, let me, let me, let me come. henry and daniel, you're itching, talk to me, talk to me, daniel. so it is obvious that there is no sustainable plan or government that he does lee on how to misplace what is supposed to be. the only don't get to your government and the news iran is just like this is where, ok, we need to demolish, establish what we need to find a place or maybe move even in, in moving to people. there is no sustainable plan. yeah. to move them please, please please are you still keep busy? but i mean from as no i said i don't think moving from is the option because they're fishermen, they don't want to. exactly. so if trees,

cynthia did really want to see you. what is the plan for disco, henry henry? and what is it? okay, what i was gonna post? i always love his cues, is trust me. and he has gotta go get, you know, and thought, i'm not doing this because they don't get a while ago. but again, you say you see a committee like this is, is, is similar to the core area where we had like regular plain project, lance lance, we again from the see from to what's asked. why can begin this land from this water? and i handed over back to the people and i give them access to the sea when they come fish, because it's not goldman piracy is because the power to that we're getting for them said under the for the on good. pick up the big names in danger, all the already 5 big below now that the comfortable spend your wealth in the lifetime and did a community existing like this. so, so let the good kind of wanted to hello to heaven. well, i don't one day, one of that begin to look at, look at what i mean of, of actually reduce written both resulted to taxes. this issues i because,

but they do not prioritizing, formerly called me trust me, jackson to say on this. this is environmental right. but it out that chelsea yet fortune what yes the area was gonna see something there. see, let me just let me, let me just a new lease. he was saying something about in with the machine affects and the people under rest of weeks. if you want change, there is consequences for change or you get to me. if the very place is going to a spurious development, automatic gully, every inhabitants of this way place must be affected. so is not like nearby i am defending the government or whatsoever. if they're going to develop these ready, please get is not sonton or 2 years because this place is what are lot. are you getting resort? is something i would take years i just am talking about isn't it depends on the kind of dilemma latinos, are we talking about different medicines or do you want to demolish? if they're looking at us, if they're gonna develop these very please, it's has to got done because there's not to for you told in or victor. yeah, no,

no, it's wrong. okay. okay, let me, let me a blow job. i was, i'm became a capital i was that became a carpet that in in 1989. i'm moving, moving from lagos. wow, hold on, hold on. i got to i buddha, i love to have happen. a lot of things happen in i will everyone, everyone while i love the energy of this debates, we need to have it be one person at a time, henry, let's hear from you. yes. so, so when, when let, when cut the cut, that moved trabusia. but then the use of a boucher graph at tape and do it directly to relocate to a safe place before those areas where develop window where they will love to move them back to the job. what fortune is saying that if something has it's not, it's not exactly the same. what's what they can do, right? is the center. i didn't level job relocate them. what's the real kick them out? he had a lovely person to bring them back. okay. okay. so i'm sorry we have to wrap up and so i'm a but to ask for solutions. i need to know what the nigerian government can do, what african governments can do to close the gap between the rich and the poor.

let's hear from you daniel. and in terms of solutions, i think one needs to be done is proper sensitization within this community. we need to festival, the government needs to calm down into this, please, and make them feel loved. first, they need to be in part. they need to know that the government care, the younger people here, she talked about on the rate of rebates, within this community. the gilson to be taking. charles did need to be education within displeased. exactly need skews. we leave in the community where it's either you're self employed or you're not doing anything. so we need to empower this. mm. definitely. when you talk about people from display, the only perceived them to be streets, kids to cause violence, of course, news as and these things aren't intentional. so for the government to see change for the government to see our progress, the need to bring this people into the system. i'll fortune you've got something to say to me was when i started, i said our problem in africa is great. now, for doses are done, m mentioned should be common reality one,

the african governments. moscow got good number to or henry serge are legislators id ford's highest speed in the wood. they have to coach on government part done on government calls, you know, they wouldn't know. it's possibly, you know, you wanted more debt. there's a whole lot going on in africa right now. okay. whole lot of revolutions under rest of, i'm totally not what you guys would do if this is somewhat harpooned, our government in africa was called god glued. okay. because there's so much this enormous resources in africa to take your bliss use like these. what the problem is these that if you are not sitting on the common width of the marcy, all right, so can let me hear from you any solutions for me. how do we stop incoming equality? so for me i miss alicia and i'll give to to go mentees for it for my settlement ladies. data is key. so how do you, do you know how many people need?

yes. then for this settlement to concrete on low cost housing for this people so and you don't need to empower dear women. so because we believe that when you empower. 1 it woman, she empires, alchemy, diesel, great in solutions to, to bring about economic opportunities for the people in dis, communities. so skills development, assess to finance. it's very key because you can teach me as cable. if i don't have to walk in tools, i will go on started business or was not this week we did, we will no doubt organizations that can help them. you know, to stay your community to be empowered. you can go outside, be empowered on you, come back on change. okay, fantastic. daniel, let's hear from you. okay. so i think women is the shoe size, shirt and commitments. make sure people you are. the roommate just leave you before them. the resources that are meant for them, please let it gets or do make them feel like they belong to the legislature. okay. henry, you said something earlier about the richest man,

not being able to spend his wealth in a lifetime, but should he give it up? i mean, if you had billions, would you give it up for that got measured with deliberate about it. god bless you, the instrument of tax to redistribute that kind of resources here, such data, the poorest of person can i tell you have access to the most basic of facilities and amenities. what goldlick i'm also do is to be put was would deliberate to invest in critical sectors. yeah. like health education on, on infrastructure to also ensure that these people have access to them. what may, can us well assure that young people have jobs? yeah. because the reason why you have a love is the christina culture, because this guys don't have jobs if you'll create job for them and give them a meaningful environment, there will not be honest, will not be understood. korean goss. i kinda feel okay, mondays. and i think i got, i should able to, to move up to you. so i hope everyone civility pumped into trinity. okay. for me, do you have any ideas of what we can do to end? well, see the quality, the government needs to stop listening to people from community such as the us up stop listening to just while you see spots well,

most likely never stepped our feet into this community. for example, if accident people don't say, oh, move them out of this community. i'm people from this company to i say we want to leave it, just want to make it better. so come to such as distributions to half the all me since, and get to with them why i get with them. i, you listening to them, you know exactly what feeds for between each community. okay? and i'd like to close this debate by asking no, our personal question. if you had it your way and you had all the money in the world and the power, what would be the 1st 3 things he would do for the people of mexico? the 1st to know do is to michelle, do how best to educational 2nd is to miss that. dia, i'm with chris. within the comments. it is the thought was to empower you because i i thought people who were born are booked up on what i hear is yes or but for 2 years. well, you have the most up on lunch and is very comfortable to be j. but fisher and coming back double to tell you that live in a what that is our culture. yeah. i was one of both of you. if,

if i do have the importance to go to school, i cumbersome can to ladies correct. does why i want enough generation to help us with because all right, thank you. thank you so much, noah. and thank you to our panelists who have braved the board to come here who have braved the weather to stay and speak to us. and also i have to pick the crew to day falls when during the same i'm to you our day of us. thank you for watching a ah ah ah ah, ah ah, ah ah,

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