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50 percent off the population. so if you put a wealth of $600000000.00 africans together, it us not much up to the top, the wealthiest men on the continent. if you want to hear what this sort of disparity does to people as societies then come with me to mckoko in legos. my colleague, it at kamani and her crew bought at one of the small fish and canoes to the settlement, to talk to the people who feel left behind. i hello and welcome back to the 7 to 7 percent this week. we are in lagos, nigeria, more specifically, where in mexico and informal area in this place now recently are the most recent figures by then a jury. a bureau statistics indicate that about 18000000 people living in extreme poverty. this means people who and just over $300.00 a year. but the world bank estimates that that figure will probably have shot up to $100000000.00 by the end of this year. that's 2022 and so we're wondering how do

those people who live in extreme poverty live side by side with some of the richest on the continent, and what does that disparity do? so society? well, i've got here a panel of very good looking people who are ready to speak to me, and i'm going to start with henry who was for oxfam. and you also did a report on in quality, but before we get to your findings, this is the 1st time that you're hearing, michael co. just give me your views of so far what. what do you think it's is quite sad, disheartening to see on ground what we on the lies on people our somewhere in the on television or in the media. i haven't seen r o y displaces so disassociated from the rest of the of the country. i haven't quite seen a people as impoverished as i'm seeing here today. i will say in an environment asa visited has some seen here today. i will quite seen lack of government present like i'm seeing here today is, is quite disheartening. i must say. all right, so i want to ask noel, who, by the way, we are at a school, a noise,

the one who runs a school or so you live in this area. how does it feel to hear that your fellow negotiate? who live just next door? i've never been here in this close to the sean, do shug goods russia on the poor get poorer? because all these a communist adobe resistant for more to wander years on the population of people. you know what i hear is what i want a 1000 to put thousands of children at home dotted official on the dishes, in ecologist under dazzled grub. my presence in this communist. okay, let me uh speak to camp for a 2nd. so the people you are assisting come from these sorts of communities, but is it common for you to hear that the people who live in these communities are excluded as henry was saying from the rest of society? yes, so most of these 3 men are radius blue. dead form like for the financial system so most of them are left behind. so we are coming to reach doug because like you see most of us who end it'll have cool. i tried some of them, you know,

have bank account, didn't have it. so we helped facilitate that. we helped them kick start stuff and i say inclusion john. all right, before we get to you know, what can be done to stop this inequality. henry, i want to come back to you because i want to understand, you know, michael has been in existence as we've heard from noah for over a 100 years. but how did we get to this place where an entire community is living on the outskirts of a city and being excluded in every sense of the word, the issue of poverty. it's not us in sort of resources not been available is because our resources are available, but a few people that one percent of that 5 percent have actually hedge up the entire resources and opportunity. i'm so far all some of the drive us off inequality, right? that includes our political car capture, right? we are politics actually up looking to pull his car in actually capture the entire opportunity on resources. i do what i drive was actually included at high hyper, maybe do high cost of governance. yeah. okay. let me ask the other, are you like to add? alright, let me introduce fun, me to the, to the,

to the conversation. going okay. very big issue that i found out among people with the via is regressive taxation. people in this community office. i mean, people here do not really want to leave displeased, they want districts to be suitable for them to fish. and then when they get to the market where they want to sell their fish, every time song is coming to them say, or you have to pay the stocks you have to pay back stocks. you have to pay this tax . now in nigeria, they claimed public education is free. what then before you are charged and i says that public education, ralph to show proof of the rent of docs. unfortunately, the kind of talk started pick is not the kind of black box that has proved that you pay tax, which means that they also have to pay another form of tax, i think is $20000.00 here before they're enrolled into for this school. so this is a reason why many people yet do not have access to education on de la bassette else care. i know that economic drive class ok. let me speak to henry because i wanted to ask him, having grown up, you grew up in michael korea, but not on the water side. on the land side. these are reality the to experiencing

every time. what growing up there was light. so bring up the medical for me outside that a privilege. good to privilege in the sense that i had to you know, try as much as was who linda by the through. yes. going with parents, your parents. i to get there and definitely do really want to push you to do more, more in, in a scenario by your parents to are normally very educated and even the environment you find yourself. people are not pushing dots, a level of education. can i tell you the other? yeah, of thousands of children. women are under st. snow going to school. yeah. to bore. i'm just of what you that might be or inside to get it on the fight. he knew duff la fight for me to make sure that i attended degree of education. right. so what you're describing hayes, what academics would say is a cycle of poverty j. daniel, is it something that you also experienced? no, you didn't grow up in mexico, but as an informal settlement as well. well, it was the experience similar to what we're observing minus similar what not this

extreme because i mean coming from a place where you have to constantly um, provide for yourself. you have to constantly do things for yourself, just like, oh my fellow colleague said that the governments are not really interested in our well being. we've seen on government organizations come down to these communities just to take pictures because you want to post on social media. they want to make it look like you're doing something. so i think what is the real problem? it's not that we don't have the resources, but the problem is they really don't see this. people are all okay. let me move to . fortune was standing right next to you, and he is an advisor actually to a local official. and so being the person who informs the kind of decisions that are taken to restore places like this, i guess the question is, why is nothing changing? ok on the street is what you are seeing here today is not just peculiar to this community, a distant presence in all every other african countries. and i want to believe that,

but really not this extreme. yes, but what i'm trying to seen in nashville is, is what you are seeing here today is, is, is a result of greed. or you get to me as a result of great, you know, the african leaders in all the, i've not called cut greed. and that is why you're not impact sick. so police, he's like these just like what they're done. he just said, you know, sometimes the good to dis long. it took b chores. and the rest of the town got a young here today. and i have seen their 1st found myself a 1st very bought, so very pathetic. like, you know, human beings like me are leave union, this kind of a police are you get to me? that's why i said, it's not those peculiar to these way. please. it transcends or you get to me so yes, yes, yes. i a bit before before we, before we get to the 2 of you, let me invite to the other, daniel i yes, we have to daniel's. and to henry is i hope you can keep up. so daniel, we're talking about distribution of resources and i have to ask because you work and found it if i believe, follow the money out where the gobs every year when the budget is read out, these

a lot of money being pumped into the country. why isn't it getting here? it's been a systemic issue for people not to be able to for government are supposed to kid the for the needs of people living is going to speak. but to take care of them. dear is so much greed is so much of a problem of people not on a sunday funding. there is need for people to be to be taken care of. so leadership is a major problem and that is all your local. all right, no i you wanted to know, i wanted to say something like a little bit amy alex, what's up through what for? move. yeah. in the interior, every child does homage, bush or whatever. well, what that tells me that shouldn't come to the school. what are under the law, how you can take a life from the water and put it in la di love to survive. it kind of us about how many schools are here. no school they are. this is the middle school. what's on here? we also have some small full school. we do this company to do you have any hospitals, police station with diesel police or what time would you have to go? miss school goes to government maternity does. which are what are we be living here

from what? andreas? yeah. i mean, it had something to say to me and then henry, i'm guessing what's daniella. this is like, this are more developed, not because the government goes on with that issue developing. well, because the government, the government is bent on co, much allies in places like this. for example, on an island which is presenting liked him, was expensive, is where you are leaving. the ghost is, was his mom. and we have a lot of people will leave you moved to dismissal, banana island. so places like these identified by the government. and i have read and also spoken with companies, my boss who told me that it doesn't on it. so the man 12, i think, says not to this, this was about to be demolished, i'm them, they got a notification to, did they go? if i'm right that they have sold disappears to some government officials on that in 2 years. this, this is going to, if you're going to be more loose. and then if that happens in 5 years, you are going to see a fancy sta. that is going to be sold to people that cannot afford deeds, and he's still going to be the sam, rich people that are buying the sim assets that we have in here. okay,

let me ask henry, because having lived in this community, was that a fear that you had because i've had it said that, yeah, people don't know if tomorrow they went to wake up and their house is going to be under water. yeah, that's why most people, when you look at houses, some of them don't really wants to innovate the house because you're scared of kid . but sure, we're not going to buy your strawman. take all of us. he was. so why am i doing this for the morning when i'm looking out, if governments want him to have up, which is what i, what, okay, what does social life you would? how did you want to keep surviving? because this people are fish. i mean, they need to fish on with stuff like that. so if you're going to take them out with the way i'd been doing, let me, let me, let me ask for you for a 2nd here because based on this, on the, in the rooms you sit with is the plan to get rid informal settlements, like michael recently there was something awfully in the pot to pull out for minute see in legos states and in lot you chose discovered that in no song passes sam dropped to particular blues. you know, given us with your cronies,

but our incom renter. gov nor, you know, he came to set the stand as dates on in the street and shot dogs. you know, the rifle or nuts of the proxies in all had, are says to the properties. and it is see for the people in that community fee. are you getting me so sometimes i think we, we are also having issues with inform me shows. i'm not telling you that some of this is are not happening. are you getting me? but we, what i know right now d, d, d, present got know we have in lucas did is a very, very, as in brots you've got nor like, you know, he is very emphatic. yes. henry, who had something to say to me earlier, and then we'll come to, you know, yes i wanted to mention at defax i, when he met on greed that force. and i said, i recall what happened. i just saw 2 weeks ago of a particular of mentor official who was accused of stealing 80000000000. and i can imagine what 80000000000 can do in dismantle communism. can actually build

a law up to 34 schools here. we can build up to a for our hospitals. will hopes of international standard provide the basic amenities for dispatch black committee. but well, what we see is the revise, what we see the revised because most of this government, official jackets, eyes cooler, broad into your care in the u. s. on all of that, the, the go for, for, for, for health stories in themselves. you know, they don't have we, it's local. yeah. so so, so when can i actually actually go to lunch and watch and what's out asked now much by example, and i come back and if not have breakfast in league or so it's, it's so it's so pathetic that so i've got my coffee house of doors exactly care and next year's election, though be all about it or would it people down in local police is in or asking them to vote for them to be all about right. embassy would people and on the streets, begging boats when they secure the sports. com. 2023. that is out there from the street. okay. back into a coupla days. that distrust not distressed, but these lack of transparency from the people who are running for office in as far

as what their plans are with this area. okay, but daniel, i want to give daniel a chance to talk about what he's doing because while we're hearing that there's very little empathy going round, you're actually doing something to try and transform these community to tell us what you're doing. we're barking 2015. i said talking to my friends. i said, we need to start teaching our friends, our fellow friends within the community, on graphics design, coding and microsoft excel. we need them to learn as q, so they can provide for themselves. perez, it doesn't seem like we have jobs for when we started. we noticed there was a problem because most of us we did not amusing us because it's inclusive. now most of us from our community don't know how to read and write in english. so that was when we studied on providing them would be excused, like how to understand english all to write in english how to solve mountain masses and from dead, the idea roof, we say getting oz, i get an notice from on, on bigger organizations within our communities. people only infest in communities like these when they sometimes when there's something to going. okay,

i want to move the conversation along because unfortunately the rain is threatening to throw this party off, but we must continue. so one of the consequences, no, i want to come back to you because we've had a lot about insecurity in this country. i'm wondering if it's a symptom of inequality. what are some of the things that you're seeing as a result of people being left behind? if there is any college in the country, we got some, some guys joined. 30 joy people doubt drew riots because we're going to have dr. doodle on what to do right. on the in the color position. government, you do need to do something here for me. i like to hear what, ah, this subtle or this level of inequality does for women? because unfortunately, our agenda is always district sneaky has started when it comes to issues like this . in call me, it is like this. i cases of 1st marriages chad my age is too much pregnancy abuse andrea because all we have called her out of something called her on tried shall be

nice. not 10 to think that we may not of the little value we may get married. as soon as possible, but we are found out lots many government policies that we have an idea that wind is coming into to laundry about it because we have very, we have no government presents here. also when we may ask what's to be married out when we main raped when we miss his domestic violence, we do not have support for them. yeah. how are the federal government tried to reach communities like just to ensure that we maintain this from the dfcs day? all right, so let me ask fortune. that same question. you did speak very highly about your governor earlier, but the question is, why hasn't that governor brought schools, hospitals, police stations to this place if you think so highly of it, okay. when we talk about developments, when we talk about said goods, it's is not just an automatic thing or you get to me it's, it's, it's b 6 got dropped process. so for me, i have when we are getting rid of these very please, because i know data sometimes in the future. anything can come or are you good to me? i know i don't,

i don't understand that. so you don't develop it because of what might happen in the future. no, no, no, i'm not saying it's not going to be different loops. you know, i do more minutes. right now. i don't even know what is the plan of the government cosigning his way. please recall i don't even know that the police like these dos as i'm just having the idea to do so. i cannot actually so can distance. what has been dear, or this is what is going to happen. yeah. ok, daniella. let me, let me, let me come to henry a. daniel, you're itching, talk to me, talk to me, daniel. so it is over years. that's good. his muscles to nibble plans are government. she gently on how to make this, please. what is supposed to be the only don't get to your government and the news iran is just like this is where, ok, we need to demolish is police what we need to find it, police or me to move even in, you know, moving to people. there is no sustainable plan. yeah. to move them please, please please. are you suki? this is a bill i me from as no. i said i don't think moving from is the option because they're fishermen, they don't want to. exactly. so you changed since they did really want to steer.

what is the plan for disco, henry, henry, what is it? okay, what was your time? of course you got rentals are always love, excuse this, trust me. and he has gotta go get, you know, i'm not doing this cuz i'm here a while ago. but again, you say you see a committee like this is, is, is similar to the court area where we had a last lie with the plane project, lance lance, we again from the see from the what's as, why can begin this land from this water. and i handed over back to the people and i give them access to the sea when they come fish, because it's not budman piracy. it's because the power to that we're getting for them. so i'm going to put on good. think of the big names in danger, all the, all the 5 big below now that the comfortable spend your wealth in the lifetime and did a community existing like this. so, so would it the good kind of wanted to hello to heaven? well, i did one day, one of them begin to look at, look at what i mean of, of actually reduce a written bus resources to taxes. this issues i because,

but they do not prioritize the informal economy. trust me that boxiness that consciousness is environmental. right. without that much i see. yeah. question. what? yes. area i was gonna see something there. see, let me just let me, let me just the new lease. you are saying something about, even with the machine, affects the people under restful week. if you want change, there is consequences for change or you get to me, if the very place is going to a spurious development automatically. every inhabitants of this way place must be affected. so is not like nearby i am defending the government or whatsoever. if they're going to develop these ready please. it is not sonton of 2 years because this place is what are lot. are you getting resort? is something i would took years i just am talking about isn't it depends on the kind of dilemma we're looking at. are we talking about diploma in the sense that you want to demolish if you're looking at all because if they're gonna develop these ready please. it's has to got done because there's lots of for you told

enough bits. yeah, no, no, it's wrong. okay. okay. let me, let me a blow job i will on became a capital i was that became a category in in 9089. i'm moving over from lagos. well, no, hold on, hold on. let us to i, buddha often has happened and often happen in i will everyone, everyone, while i love the energy of this debates, we need to have it be one person at a time, henry, let's hear from you. yes. so so when, when let, when cut the cup that move trabusia. but then the use of a boucher wrap it and do it directly to relocate to a safe place before those areas where develop window developed them of them back to the lab. what fortune is saying that something, huh. it's not, it's not exactly the same. what's what they can do, right? is the center. i didn't have to jump out real quick then what's the real kick them out yet? let me present, bring them back. okay. okay, so i'm sorry we have to wrap up and so i'm a but to ask for solutions. i need to know what the nigerian government can do, what african government can do to close the gap between the rich and the poor. let's hear from you, daniel. and in terms of solutions,

i think one needs to be done is proper sensitization within this community. we need to festival. the government needs to calm down into this, please, and make them feel loved. first, they need to be empowered. they need to know that the government care, the younger people here, she talked about the rate of rebates within this community. the gilson to particular charles. that need to be education within this. please exactly need skews. we leave in the community where it's either you're self employed or you're not doing anything. so we need to empower this group. definitely when you talk about the people from display, the only perceived them to the streets keys to cause violence, the cost nuisance, and these things aren't intentional. so for the gov meant to see change for the government to see our progress, the need to bring this people into the system. i'll fortune you've got something to say to me. when i started, i said our problem in africa is great. now, for doses i've done them mentioned should be common reality. one,

the african governments, most current got good number to or henry serge are legislators id ford's highest speed in the wood. they have to coach on government part done on government calls, you know, they wouldn't know. it's possible, you know, is possible yet there's a whole lot going on in africa right now. okay. whole lot of revolutions under restaurant. i'm telling you not what it cost. if distance and what happened, our government in africa was called god glued. okay? because there's so much this enormous resources in africa to take your less use like these. what the problem is these, that if you are just sitting on the common weights off the masses, all right, so can let me hear from you any solutions for me. how do we stop income inequality? so for me i miss alicia and i'll give to the government is for if almost settlements ladies data is key. so how do you, do you know how many people need?

yes. then for dis settlement you can't grade on low cost housing for these people. so, and you don't need to empower women so because we believe that when you empower it, woman, she empires our committee so great in solutions to to bring about economic opportunities for the people in disc, amenities, so skills development, assess to finance is very key because you can't teach me as cable. if i don't have to walk in tools, i will go on started business or was not this week we did, we will no doubt organizations that can help them. you need to stay your community to be empowered. you can go outside, be empowered and you come back and change. okay. it's fantastic daniel, let's hear from you. okay. so i think women is a shoe, sincerity, and commitments. make sure people you are, the environment is levy before them. the resources that are meant for them, please let it gets or do make them feel like they belong to the larger society. okay. henry, you said something earlier about the richest man not being able to spend his belk

in a lifetime, but should he give it up? i mean, if you had billions, would you give it up? the gold measure been deliberate about it? god bless you, the instrumental tax to redistribute that kind of resources here, such data, the porous of person can i tell you have access to the, the most basic of facilities and amenities. what goldlick i'm also do is to be put was would deliberate to invest in critical sectors. yeah. like health education on, on infrastructure to also ensure that these people have access to them. what make on us well assured that young people have jobs. yeah. because the reason why you have a love is the christina culture, because this guys don't have jobs. if you'll create job for them and give them a meaningful environment, there will not be honest. you will not be under to korean gone. i kinda feel okay mondays and i think i got i should able to, to move up to you. so i hope everyone civility compton is 23. okay. for me, do you have any ideas of what we can do to end? well, see the quality, the government needs to stop listening to people from community such as the us up stop listening to just while you see spots well, most likely never stepped our feet into this community. for example,

if accident people don't say, oh, move them out of this community. i'm people from this company to i say we want to leave it, just want to make it better. so come to such as this should be listened to half the all me since. and get to read them way i get with them and he seemed to them, you know exactly what feeds for between each community. okay. and i'd like to close this debate by asking no, our personal question. if you had it your way and you had all the money in the world and the power, what would be the 1st 3 things he would do for the people of mexico? refreshed to new do is to michelle, do how best to edge official. second is to make sure that they are on medicaid, within the community is the thought was to empower dukes because i i thought people who were born or brought up or what i hear is yes or but for 2 years . well, you have the must up on lunch and is very comfortable to be j, but fish and coming back the dublin to tell you that live in a what that is our culture. yeah. i was one of both of you. if,

if i do have the opportunity to go to school cumbersome, can 2 ladies correct? that's why i want enough generational to help us to a job. right. thank you. thank you so much, noah. and thank you to our panelists who have braved the board to come here who have braved the weather to stay and speak to us. and also i have to pick the crew to day falls when during the same i'm to you idea of us. thank you for watching a ah ah ah, ah, ah ah, ah ah

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