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a new government. but mister letter, thank you very much for joining us. your rival da da maloney from the brothers of italy is currently leading in the polls. how do you intend to win against her? we have, we have one final week in the electoral campaign. in this final week we will work very hard on many subjects. first of all is the big risk for italy with the far right to be out from the hearth of the european union. the very heart of your opinion on italy used to be at the very heart of europe and italy needs to be at the center of the european union. we need stronger europe. that is exactly the opposite that sir maloney and the far right and that he thinks they, their idea is that sir m. europe has to work with veto rides for each country, unanimity vote. that is exactly the opposite for us. we think that we need more

federal europe, more integration, or majority votes and not unanimity votes. we need europe of health. we need further integration on migration policies on social issues, on how to work on energy. for instance, how much significance ward, a government under georgia maloney give to the autocratic block. i mean, there's a power struggle going on between sort of the old western and european countries and the fairly new members in the east. how dangerous is that for the european union? as a concept? i think we saw last week, how big is the danger? i do? parliament, maloney, and saline they decided to help or been against what the union is deciding on or bends. decisions on rule of law, on the way in which you look in commission is dealing with the problem of the fact

that albany is breaking the rule of law in, in an goody. and the way in which we are trying to conditioning what they are doing on democracy with, with the european funds and european money and solving and maloney they decided to help. and i think is the key to the sense that the telephone right, will bring the country in a different modes. and we'll bring the country also in a different mode in terms of not only rule of flow, but also in terms of big choices on the environment. on individual rights and also on the way in which we can build up the future of europe in terms of institutional reforms. and it's clear that there's a block or band polish government, maloney, sylvania, they want to have

a future where all the decisions had been taken that with with, with vito rights unanimity. and i think this is one of the key issues. further integration with a community that an approach with majority votes or legal nations, nationalism, vito rights and you need to know when you talk about the maloney as the potential new italian prime minister. what would a government led by her mean for italy support of ukraine? the coalition around maloney is a very divided coalition on ukraine because you have maloney maloney heads a position during the war, backing the government even if she was in the position. but on the war she supported the government. on the other side,

you have solving and believe connie and both. so the new bill is going to had a very ambiguous mod and approach to the war. and 1st of all to, to put in saline is continuing saying that sanctions are negative. we have to withdraw samson sanctions for us. it's, it's nonsense something that it's very dangerous for, for the rest of european union european leaders, european countries. so we are strongly against this position. but do you think under georgia, maloney that italy could potentially withdraw support for sanctions against russia? i fear i'm afraid that these point could be one of the 1st point of discussion within their coalition in case of victory on the, on the right site. or of course we would be we would be strongly against because we

think that sanctions they have to continue. now you're here in berlin also to talked to a german chancellor will have show to his from your sister party, the social democrats here in germany. and there is a debate in germany, which i'm sure you're aware of about at the delivery of combat tanks to ukraine. the s b d and all sorts of very reluctant. would you as prime minister to support the idea of germany delivering combat tanks to you? we have to help ukraine, that's for sure. and we have to continue helping the ukraine. or of course, the good, the tools, the mod details. i have to be decided that are among allies and to but we are very supportive, whatever decision a gemini will take. now will have such that javin chancellor and always says booting must not win this war. what is your position? does ukraine have to win?

or does putin not have to win? does he have to lose? no, i think our position is the position to say that this war is horrible. it is horrible that some one putting decided to, ah, keep again. the most are tragic tools, approaches and behaviors of last century are so put in has to lose this war. that is for clear and we will keep this position until the end. and we will be supportive of ukraine until the end of the war for i'll have to repeat my question. should putin lose? as i said? yes, yes, rose and does ukraine have to win? because that would imply winning back all the territory that russia is currently c . but has to say that of course, if we are put in lose. and if we,

if booting withdrawal, that means that ukraine will, will be free, and we want ukraine being free. you want in an interview a few years ago. i'm not mistaken. that europe has to make a decision if it doesn't want to become an american colony or a chinese colony reforms, unaided in the european union, more european sovereignty. how threatened, do you see the european project a, would you repeat this statement that europe has to make a firm decision? if it doesn't want to become a colony of either the u. s. or china? i think to day we have to consider that putting sit back on energy sovereignty ah needs a common reaction and european lever saw our point. my point is that to avoid, to become a chinese colony or either an american colony. we have to consider that our

sovereignty, our strength, our unity, our unity asked will be strengthened, for instance, on energy on competitiveness. otherwise we're east to lose competitiveness because on energy, for instance, the american today or they thanks to shell gas to their energy national sovereignty. they can be more competitive rather than our companies. what can the german government do to help italy remain at the heart of europe? as you say, i think it is very simple. ah, the narrative of the writing italy is done. her narrative of a european union without as fully daddy tumult, saying that germany and france, they work only for their own interests, not for the general interests of europe. and point, i mean in the issue of migration for example, germany in france at okay, italy,

you deal with it? we're staying out. i don't think so. i think there are different approaches and that for instance, germany and italy, we have common interests on migrations. italy's dirt country 1st arrival germany is normally the country of last destination. so ah, italy had the feeling to be left alone during many period of high level arrivals. but also germany had this feeling 5 years ago. the feeling of germany was to be left alone by the rest of europe when, when germany decided to welcome under deaths of thousands of fresh fishes. because there's not a european migration policy. so our maud is to say, we want a stronger europe. stronger europe means better decision for citizens.

citizens in italy, citizens in france, or in germany. this is not the mood of detail and right, the mood of the italian right is to build up european a sense of a league of nations with video rights corporation. no more than written than that. what is that state fatally here? on the 25th of september, the 25th of september vote is a sort of but exit vote as it was for the brits for them it was yes or no. in or out. i think for italy is, is something similar. of course, it's not that a friend them, it's not the topic is not to be in or out formally. but politically. the choice is between being at the very heart of europe. italy with brass of the lien berries, madrid,

the heart of europe all being out being in the league of nations having been or the polish government as allied. and i think that these 2 options, this crossroads is decisive for the future of the country. not only into himself monetary policies, sustainability of the dec, well, so in terms of values being with france and germany means on environment, individual rights. one choice being with or one is another choice on environment on individual rights. and of course so, so on economic policies and institutional policies and social social policies that europe, you live in the vehicle, let them lead candidate for the party to democratic and italy. thank you very much for this interview. thank you sir. you

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