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[000:00:00;00] ah, flights out of russia sold out today as students war and ukraine moved a whole lot closer to home for the 1st time since world war 2. moscow has formerly mobilized its forces, calling up 300000 military reservists a duty. many of them are now scrambling to escape. it's a significant escalation and a conflict that took center stage the united nations general assembly were you as president joe biden slammed russia for shamelessly violating the un charter, an overtly threatening to attack europe with nuclear weapons? i'm nicole furnish in berlin, and this is the day ah,
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in order to protect russia and our people, we will certainly use all the means at our disposal. this war is about extinguishing ukraine's right to exist as a state. the water is still going according to present routines. our country also has various weapons of destruction. president prudent is made over nuclear threats against europe. a nuclear war can not be wand and must never before. this is not a bluff. ah, also on the day bravery and defiance in iran, as women burn their head scarves and protest against the morality police, the protests of rock the country and seem to be only intensifying with fighting
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wade dying, we're going to get iran back. oh, the flooding potent may not be physically present at the united nations, but he certainly is taking up a lot of space. he and his war of choice in ukraine, large at the world's biggest diplomatic gathering, precisely because a diplomatic solution seems to be moving further and further out of reach. today us president joe biden delivered a powerful rebuttal to fill in the most recent attempt to further escalate the war . and he called forth sustained global solidarity with the people under attack. wherever you are, wherever you live, whatever you believe, he said, what russia is doing and ukraine should make your blood run cold. permanent member of the united nations security council invaded its neighbor, attempted to erase the sovereign state from the map. russia has shamelessly violated the cord tenants of the united nations charter. again, just today,
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president partners made over nuclear threats against europe, reckless disregard for the responsibilities of the non proliferation regime. now, russia calling, calling up more soldiers, joined the fight. and the kremlin is organizing a sham referenda tried and ex parts ukraine. an extremely significant violation of the un charter this ra should see. these outrageous acts are what they are putting claims he had to act because russia was threatened, but no one threatened russia. and no one other than russia sought conflict. president biden was referring to a televised address by vladimir putin earlier today, announcing
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a parcel mobilization of 300000 additional reserve as following heavy setbacks on the battlefield and ukraine on the streets of ukraine's capital gave the announcement from moscow is being met with the mixture of derision and disdain, that they are. oh, you know, this is agony caused by impotent patient doesn't know what to do. so now he tries to make people hear his words. that's my opinion. yeah. other words, over here with the, i think we have to trust our armed forces and no one else said rose. her fronts will always come from russia will kill one that will reduce the walk. so there's no point in listening to them when negotiated on them. awesome, so luckily he's are all empty words to him of them without the symbol so. so let me put in his calling the move necessary an urgent saying the west crossed a line by providing sophisticated weapons to ukraine. he insisted they are aimed at weakening, dividing, and eventually destroying russia. hurt you local. i'd like to remind you that our
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country also has various weapons of destruction and in certain aspects, even more modern weapons, the nato countries. if there's a threat to the territorial integrity of our country, in order to protect russia and out people, we will certainly use all the means at our disposal. this is not a bluff national citizen disease. if the new berlin wouldn't stop short of declaring a full national draft reactions and moscow varied among the young and the old things for my pride says yes, go to war. but common sense tells me that i can die. there is no feel i have family relatives and friends with them. i'm in doubt. and i can't say for sure. subordinate borderline magazine. what is it going to be there to say the president has taken the decision taking into account the situation? he believes it's necessary and we're in a situation where we can't comment on what he has said. the president said eskimiya
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and that's it. those poems guzzle. business both of us. okay. it also led to swift condemnation by the international community. i'm schumer, this is another terrible and wrong step by russia indian, which we will, of course us us politically brought and discuss on how to respond to it. been froze, in any case for me and the german government. and it's clear that we will continue to fully support ukraine during this difficult time. meanwhile, moscow, back separatist and eastern ukraine announced plans to hold referendums to joined russia. even as ukrainian forces retake huge sweets of territory in the countries northeast. a monitoring groups as over a 1000 people have already been arrested across russia as protests against president putin's mobilization order. the images show demonstrators being rounded up by a police in the central city of katarina bourg. after the protesters were given. 30
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seconds to disperse. arrests were also reported at demonstrations in the capital, moscow and dozens of other cities. now, speaking from prison, jailed opposition leader alex st. vonny used a court appearance via video length to denounced putin's war as criminal. the in order to extend his own personal power, put in his tormenting and neighboring country and killing people there. and now he is throwing a huge number of russian citizens into the meat grinder. russians who should be living a normal life, taking care of their families. this was already a crime and now it has become a much bigger crime. i am so and for more i'm now joined by roman gone to ranko. he is with d w's russian service. roman. good to see you. booting has announced this partial mobilization, how people in russia reacted to it. well, i would say most were surprised some probably shocked. and you have to understand
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that russia has been successfully trying to play this war down. it was called a special military operation. there was a reduced number of troops just like the soviets did in the eighty's and have gone east on. but this strategy failed. and we also have to remember that this is a move that many have been expecting in spring. i have been expecting me in summer and the russian officials denied that. they said there will be no mobilization. and now here it comes. that's why people are very surprised. i think some are trying to flee the country with the use of the order or the tickets plane tickets are sold out, but that's a minority. i would say a lot of people left russia in demands before after russia invaded you printing february. we also see some, some joy by those who support this war, but i would say this is rather minority. so there, there is a big, silent majority in russia, which is still trying to digest what has happened. is there a sense that this is just the 1st step that
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a broader mobilization and draft good thing follow? well, it could follow. it is a completely new situation, not what nobody knows what will happen next, because russia hasn't seen such a more since the 2nd world war. so of garnished on war was smaller. the church and more in the ninety's was smaller on a smaller scale. so it is a completely new dimension and im, if i'm brought receives that it is not enough, then there are, there could be more more waves of mobilization because of the goals that voting on sales himself. i'm not for healed and he's definitely am. i wouldn't say desperate but very frustrated. so what's the timeline of this partial mobilization when and how is all of this supposed to happen? well, we only know that it started immediately after this decree about that novelization or sign. so it started on this day, but there is open and so we do not know for how long it will take. we can assume
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that it will probably take months to organize and train these liberal. we're talking about a 300 people, possibly, possibly more. as a secret, of course, that the russian army is already now struggling to equip the troops it has in ukraine at this very moment. so, does russia even have the resources, ted train dress than i am 300000 more soldiers? i guess it will take time. of course, russia has huge resources, but it will need some time to organize. nobody was preparing this on, on the scale. i, i assume that maybe not all of those that will be mobilized now will have to go and fight in ukraine. my guess is, and many experts also say this, that they will probably be deployed in russia. so to replace those who can find and then they will actually move to your brain. so there will be a kind of
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a swap inside the russian army, not anyway, this will take time for, for the russian army to organize it. it is about we're talking about months, i say that the anti war coalition has called for people to take to the streets and already over a 1000, demonstrators have been detained across the country today in russia, how likely is this open opposition to avert opposition to the decision coming out of the criminal, a criminal to grow. it's too early to tell. i would say most people who good protest has fled the country in the prior months. people who could organized protests like alex in the valley of the opposition leader, either in jail or also abroad in exile. so we'll have to come some new lead us for a position to form itself. this will also take time i thing, but at the moment i would be rather skeptical that there will be
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a huge protest movement in russia. with the mobilize ation. photon admit in a way that the war is not going according to plan. how is that going down with the part of the public that does support him and the efforts in ukraine? well, that, that small group of people who i would describe as hardliners and those who welcome welcome. this will from the very beginning. they rejoice. of course, they were very critical of the rushing leadership and of the russian army leadership in the weeks before, because the ukraine would be very successful in the hockey region in the north of ukraine and the 2nd largest city. and just dr. russian forces away and ukraine could liberate a very large territory, and this was a completely new experience for the russians. they thought they were winning this war, or at least not losing. and now there was a sense,
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so maybe we were not that strong that we thought we are and they were demanding they were, they were crying, they will be, was screaming, some was screaming let's, let's stop the mobilization. now as it happens, they say this is the right roman, going to rank of our russian service on foot and partial mobilization. many thanks . the united states says it's taking a president thinly veiled threats to use nuclear weapons. seriously. white house spokesman john kirby called hooton's remarks irresponsible. the head of the nato alliance against oldenburg said food and speech showed that his war and ukraine was not going according to plan. and the nato with monitoring rushes military movements very carefully area. we will make sure that there is no misunderstanding in moscow about the seriousness of using nuclear weapons. the most important thing is
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to prevent that from happening. and that's the reason why we have been so clear in the communications with russia about the unprecedented consequences about the fact that the nuclear war cannot be one. why russia and i am now very pleased to welcome ros. got nowhere. she's the former deputy secretary general of nato and served under again stilton burke, the man we just heard there. miss scott miller. thank you so much for joining me on the day. let's jump right in. how big is the nuclear threat right now? so well, it's a big threat, but i don't think that the situation has miserably changed since yesterday. another thing that em stillberg is said is that we do not see any increase in the operational readiness of the russian nuclear forces. i think that that is a good thing, actually the kill nuclear forces. now, since february have stayed in a fairly stable deployment as normal, the thing that worries me the most, i'll tell you honestly,
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is this attack against or not against but near the southern power plant in the ukraine that occurred earlier this week. because it appears that the russians are being very reckless with the notion of a radiological accident of serious proportions such as the chernobyl disaster. so this is nothing to toy with. i actually think that kind of situation, unfortunately, that this moment is more likely them a use of a nuclear weapon. so the energy car didn't work. the military car didn't work in the nuclear card. the only one left in fulton's deck. obviously he doesn't think so because he is calling now for a partial mobilization involving able bodied men who have served already not calling up new recruits apparently, although the conscription continues, but they are calling up those who have already served and are putatively in the reserves. they're also saying that these men are going to need some training. so these people can not be rushed to the battlefield. there will be
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a period of build up and training for these newly mobilized troops. but obviously he thinks that he still has some military tools to make use of president the lengthy of ukraine says he was not surprised by this mobilization. did you expect to see this? we have been wondering how long it would take, i should say we being a few russian experts around washington. i've been wondering how long at least a partial mobilization would take because the russians have been losing so bad and ukraine over the past couple of weeks. so i have been assuming that this was the next hard we've been talking about carm's. this was the next car potent would try to play. i did not really predict a renewal of the nuclear sabre rattling that we have seen today. and i agree very much with president putin, i'm sorry, with president biden's. speaking of the us today, president biden said that this is extremely irresponsible behavior. and again repeated the very strong words of president gorbachev and president reagan,
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little nuclear war cannot be won and should never be fought. some analysts say though that, that this is mostly saber rattling, that there was no major escalation after ukrainian strikes on crimea on belgrade. is there a danger of the west under estimating how serious and unpredictable putin is when it comes to the nuclear threat? sincere isn't unpredictable. along so i do not discount of these these, these problems. but i do think that it is necessary to remember how strongly the world community has already been reacting against the nuclear saber rattling. that's one reason that i believe that they've kind of tamped down over the last couple of months. we haven't heard much of it since february 24th and, and the immediately following weeks. now he is again, escalating the rhetoric and so i do think it is of it is a moment of desperation for proven. and i really believe it will play itself out
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1st in this mobilization effort and continued throwing troops at the problem. but i think we have to stay very alert, a stillberg said the nato alliances to any changes in the operational readiness of the russian nuclear forces. russia is this weekend planning on holding sham referendums to formally annex it's occupied territories in ukraine, in the kremlin eyes. that would give them the justification to respond to any crenan attempt to recover a territory as if it were an attack against russia. what could that mean for the future of the war? i think that the lens key presidents zalinski a ukraine has taken the right attitude here. he's really said these are sham, referenda. we need steady as she goes, we need to continue our policy and we need to continue to fight to inject the, the russian invaders from our territory. now whether prison zalinski and, and his government will get to the point where they say, all right, we pushed the russians back to the line. they controlled of february 24th for
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example. and now we are ready to sit down and go see i can't say that. but i think that he had the right message of here today when he said we are not going to pay attention to the shem shem referenda. we are going to continue to fight to re both, to resume our territory and also to object russian troops from at briefly because we don't have much time anymore right. yesterday turkeys president ardon spoke about a dignify way out of the conflict things as they stand. what could that look like? it's difficult to say i wish i'd been a fly on the wall while they're the ones meeting with poodle, obviously. but i do think that seems to signal that, that who may be looking for a way to come to the negotiating table. and everyone's been quite effective actually at working through this brain deal and getting brain out of the out of the black sea from the printing port. so perhaps he can be an honest broker between the 2 sides or has gotten our former nato deputy secretary,
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pleasure speaking to you tonight. thank you. ah turan where people have been protesting for days over the death last week of a young woman after she was detained by the notorious morality police. with anger, sweeping the country hundreds have reportedly been arrested and some even killed as authorities trying to crack down on the unrest in his speech at the united nations . u. s. presidential biden praised the protesters. courage saying that american stood with the brave women of iran. we're fighting, we're dying. we're going to get iran back. one of the many cries, rallying the thousands of people pouring on to iran's streets this week, the protests of rock the country and seemed to be only intensifying. a number of people have been killed in clashes as security forces. try to clamp down on the unrest. there are reports of internet blackouts to,
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to stop the information from flowing. the protests are being driven by acute anger over the death of masa, a meanie. the 22 year old died while being held by iran's morality police accused of wearing that he job in a way deemed improper. he rounds authorities have promised to investigate him means death. but many people are skeptical and fed up with the morality police. for them a means death symbolizes. he runs heavy handedness towards descent, and the increasingly violent treatment of women in the islamic republic as being and yelled as arbor. she's the head of the w persian service and joined me from cologne. yellow that this is not the 1st time women in iran protest against he job laws, but the countries never seen anything like this hasn't. yes that's, that's absolutely right. we're, we're witnessing right now is a different dimension of protests says to say, and it's very, very,
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we've seen it now also we have, we have seen it in the report. it's very amazing. it's amazingly brave. i have to say 1st of all, by, by the wing and women be see them on the streets, protesting, and without a job, without mandatory headscarf waving their head scarves. we have seen women on, on the streets during the protest, cutting their hairs. and this is something that we have not witnessed before. there has been a lot of protests in iran in recent years. basically the last 40 years we've, we've could witness every 10 years, kind of protest and, and resolve the. it was the, the biggest protest was to tells line, but then we have 201828. we had 2019 due to inflation and due to increase of fuel prices. but this time it's different because it kind of re
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unites all people from all different different classes, different ideologies, religious or non religious people. yet the death of math armine also struck a chord with women because they pretty much all have experienced with a morality police commute and tell us what role they play in everyday life. you know, the morale police is basically this is something that women and girls, women in iran, in the last 40 years have grown up with and it is part of the everyday life. but i have to say, there are, there are periods where you see them a lot, you know, on the streets and, and taken women with them on to the police station. and they have special police station of the more of the police were mass. i mean, it was taken to as well, and there's also periods where, you know, for instance, before election time, it's more like people can,
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can be dressed in the way they are. but the thing is that this happens all the time we have seen in the last weeks, actually a lot of videos that have reached us where we see how, how wildly violent history the women are taken into the police cars. and then now the outrage is so big is too huge also because it, that has been mass. i mean, he has been really like innocent young girl. she was not taking part in the protest . she was not, you know, following any ideology, she was just visiting the capital to run and then being taken to by the moral to police and the outrages also because the official statement is that she had a heart attack. and of course, no one is willing to believe that because they have experienced this violence by moral to police. we only have about half a minute left. but i want to ask you,
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if you think that this could become a watershed moment for women in iran, it definitely could. um, we have to see if there has, if there will be a harder crack down or in which direction this will go. yeah, those are boxes, the head of the w persian service. thank you so much for those in sites to night. thinking ah, finally to night and overdue apology from the world's biggest sports organisation at a ceremony. and israel international olympic committee president must box a tribute to the 11 israeli athletes murdered by palestinian militants. 50 years ago, at the $972.00 munich olympics boss said the iow sea had waited too long to acknowledge the pain of victims, families, and give them a proper memorial service. that's our time for today. but as always, the conversation continues online. you'll find us on twitter at c, w i myself at nicole underscore. thank you so much for spending part of your day
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