and how about their struggles and dreams. responsibility is huge. they have so much julia. shattering the glass ceiling. women in architecture. this has to be really, really good. start september 30th on d, w. they say the doctor, there's a shark coming up to date. he sat as head of state african gordon regime that mother nearly 2000000 people. and now his last hope of freedom is gone. a year and back to court has overtime to the field from the former head of state of the committee rouge 91 year old q. some pon will continue to serve a life sentence in jail. but does this verde count is justice for the millions of cambodians, tortured and killed? blas cambodia, police cracked down on cyber crime, gangs accused of human trafficking is held finally arriving for thousands of scam

victims being held captive. ah. by british french you welcome to the doctor, news asia. glad you could join us. and international court has apparently the genocide conviction of the last surviving senior member of cambodia as brutal command rouge regime, q. some pun who's 90. 1 years old now served as head of state in the communist square rouge between 975 and 79. he will continue to serve the remainder of his life in prison after the un backed tribunal rejected his appeal against his 2018 conviction. his is only the 3rd conviction the court could manage in 16 years. and after having spent $331000000.00 officially called extraordinary chambers in the

court of cambodia, it was tossed with trying the crimes of the committee rouge. and now it's work is done. we'll discuss how effective it truly was. but 1st, this report here to bear witness. as a chapter closes on cambodia, violent past survivors of the come, a rouge were among those who attended the final verdict for the last living leader of the regime that the court rejected cale some fans appeal and upheld the 91 year olds conviction for genocide. the mid easy than a 2 day met by the supreme court timber a some new milestone for the easy city of law in the mission to bring her to say and justice board with the mob to come out of reach him. and also this is the weakening of the n l d e c c c. after 16 years. it's the last rolling for the

tribunal that was set up to prosecute leaders of the camera rouge. but the un backed court has been widely criticized. i think you and wanted so badly for this court to succeed, that they were willing to overlook evidence of political interference at long the tribunal has convicted just 3, come a rouge leaders. and as a cost of more than $330000000.00 us dollars, the verdict marks the end of the international push for justice. but many survivors say they will never forgive or forget young alone. but as i cannot forget, the suffering young mike, my back was wounded. i cannot forget that because i still feel the pain. i will feel the pain until i die lava. the command rouge grabbed power in 1975.

there violent reforms targeted intellectuals and ethnic minorities and millions of people were sent to labor camps. the regime only lasted for years, but during that time around $2000000.00 cambodians died from starvation, torture, or in mass executions. in what came to be known as the killing fields. chaos some fan served as head of state in the commercial rouge regime. jo, mom and mom, mary marie will not forgive k u some fun. allow you. if we forgive him, the younger generation will follow him again. the tribunals final rolling has brought some closure for survivors. but with so few cameras, leaders facing justice. it's a small comfort for a country still scarred by genocide and john min are for more is for the most so from the documentation center of cambodia,

which documents the countries time under the command rouge miss. so let's start with the court itself. 16 years and $337000000.00 later, it could only short 3 convictions offer regime that killed nearly $2000000.00 people. do victims of the committee rose real that as justice? well, although justice can be done differently, can be defined differently by different people fall quick definition of justice for cam would in people in my language mean i don't call it ok. so math, gender, chromin july though it means to make patricia guilty of bad deeds committed and to prove that in those and so the caught, according to fulfill the role in that it put commander was senior leaders including q upon guilty of genocide, france against humanity. and, well, crimes. so just this is very expensive, you know, you need to assume it has

a long road, but it teaches us how no matter, how much does it cost. and how long does it take just this is with in rich. you say it is within reach of your talking about a period of 16 years. yeah. and the cold when wind up after this latest my big i'm just wondering is that 8 for accountability for the commercial just crimes. so it is very important to think about, you know, like the court is not perfect. justice is not perfect. so it's also important to think about them to do so. measure it means to be need to continue documenting and educating about the atrocity and to documented the foremost my country's story and became now we've got them as survivors in order to elucidate, lack of truth and learn about mistakes in the past in order to avoid. so it

prevention is very important and we need to also think about our empower survivors . so why it was in their family, in order to provide them access to health care. mm hm. because they are down. hm. now, and to think about also community development, you know, it's also kind of recreation that be fair to for field. so now it's timing because the car is finished. so it's timing to consider about community development in order to compensate what has been already know. like a proper or what is the proper amount of compensation, but at least it is to do something. yes. doctors upon himself who is a pain, was overturned today. i mean, he was head of state and the comment rose, but claim that he had the influence. is that something that most cambodian

survivors agree with? well, you know, he failed at them bins. cambodian people in the judge asked because steve from deer appeal, hearing that ok, so he is found guilty of genocide. frank again humanity ma cram, fit me the have enough evidence. we had enough information enough that it took his gear, so he failed to to, to do that. right. we'll leave it there for the time being. but thanks so much for joining us today is very important. read it for you now. so joining us from the documentation center of cambodia, thank you so much. thank you for having me. ah, we stay in cambodia where there have been raids on compounds across the country to free the victims of suspected cyber crime, gangs pressure has been going on. can board, you know, authorities to stamp out the scammers, julio,

people from around asia with social media ads, promising high paying jobs. instead, they are held against their will, their passports confiscated and forced to work in illegal gambling and scam called centers. cambodian authorities here they found evidence of human trafficking, illegal confinement and torture. former captives have told of brutal conditions in the compounds. the you and envoy to cambodia recently described the situation for victims. as a court living hell, the victims of these gangs, and through taiwanese hung congos, chinese ties and vietnamese nationals. and now slowly we're seeing some finally return to their home countries. the main center of these cams is she handled, drill a port city in cambodia where many of these compounds are located. but there are also reports of gangs operating in my of i d, me in march, as well as allow us and thailand from all its brigand fin robinson from human

rights for to join me now from banker phil. human rights groups have been pushing for action against these cyber crime scans. so surely, these raids in cambodia are a positive development. well, it's something that's finally happening and we have been pressing for this quite some time. but the raids that we're seeing are really just dealing with the tip of the iceberg. we think that there's a lot more going on that has not been addressed by the cambodian government. in fact, that the cambodian government has been covering up or look in the other way at a minimum when dealing with the cyber gangs. in many cases we believe actually that these gangs have high level connections in various different parts of cambodia . whether it be through the police or the military or, or the government officials themselves on twitter as well. today you asked if

cambodia was prosecuting victims of human trafficking. i mean what's happening to the scam victims once they're freed? well, what should happen is that they should be treated as human trafficking victims and there should be a, a approach that really puts the victims at the center of the response. but right now, it looks like they are being dealt with as either persons who have violated laws or at a minimum violated immigration statutes and are that they are facing fines and possible prosecution. what we want is people to be treated as victims to be treated humanely, to not be criminalized for crimes. they may have committed by the fact that they were exploited in being controlled and held and ultimately allowed to go home to the countries that they came from. you know, you were talking about her connection to the highest level levels in cambodia and making it possible for these criminals to operate their networks. if that is the

situation, how hard is it to actually crack down on these gangs, gangs, which appear to be very well connected? well, i think that what we're seeing right now is response in places like cambodia to the international pressure from the various governments that are complaining about what has happened to their foreign nationals out to you know, the people who have been exploited in this way. and also the kind of media essays that we're seeing really cambodia is waking up and recognizing that they have a major problem with their international reputation because of the operation of the gangs from their territories. and they're gonna have to crack down. i think that ultimately we have to continue the pressure so that there is a continued wilt cracked on because without the political commitment in cambodia to do something about this, these gangs were allowed to continue to operate with impunity were leave there for the time being always

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of the measures would focus on individuals as well as certain sectors of the economy, there would be the 8 package of sanctions against russia or moral was speaking in new york after a meeting of you, foreign ministers on the sidelines of the un general assembly. and from on this we welcome all of the state. go to the show. he's an economic advisor to a lot of merit zalinski, president of ukraine. mister st. go, thank you for joining me here. terrific. i want to begin with these sanctions. are this discussion of new sanctions with this escalation that we're seeing from putting in terms of language in terms of mobilization? can we expect, do you expect that to sharpen e resolve for sanctions? or do you expect to see a lead up as we near winter and colder temperatures? look now i think that it's very clear for everybody the war now.