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letter truly journey this week for d. w. ah, fixed at 6 years, mike with quite sometimes it just that. so for the best of the why didn't want to cry. ah, i know it's the last time i promise. oh, january 2021. mike messing has come to the city of coz, willa in western germany, because the federal court of justice is going to announce its decision. we'll his daughter remain in custody, or will she be released? a few hours later, our weight comes to an end. the woman in the black coat is lenovo messing at $21.00. she stands accused of being a member of the islamic state. her father mike has been fighting for the last 6
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years for his leo. now she's free. that least until her upcoming trial. yeah, no no hm. the thing has no way. oh oh, oh for missing. hello, mrs. missing. she is in the got the modal out. hello. i'm coming home. ah, this is the story of a father and his daughter a story that i've accompanied for 7 years. one that would take me to syria, a country torn apart by civil war. as can your own child would rather go join terrorists than stay with you and even think it's going to one of the most brutal
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terrorist groups of our time is less. mom wasn't in a fight between life and death. you have to leave as fast at his hands. seem to have the where are they? i am waiting these papa, please go in a syrian prison captain. dot. i was very afraid just what i caught a vanity on my head, the $70000.00 still up and back to a village in eastern germany. ah, you've been here. good to shift from dinner. we could overcome the most terrible things together. we fought cynthia to get her back foot, and we couldn't handle 6 weeks of living on a one rick together and i'm got to go. it's a story about guilt. and 2nd chances
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this is where it all began. but i hadn't been in saxony, unheard of germany in 2015 leon, ohio and her father mike messing were living a seemingly happy life. at 15 leo know how was a typical teenager? her parents had separated some years earlier. her father, mike, who ran a bakery had recently re married land, o ha, seemed on the outside like a happy girl interested in boys and cosmetics. she even ran a youtube channel with makeup tips. holly, my, me hello friends, and welcome to my latest video i. today i got my march favorite tips in the beauty department does this, this is number o 7 from a salesman, which looks like they were off. unbeknownst to her family, lenovo had converted to islam and become radicalized a year earlier than one day,
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she just disappeared. lena had left for syria, a different world, a war torn country under control of the islamic state. for an agonizing 12 days, mike heard nothing from lenovo. then finally, in march 2015, a voice message, mike couldn't know then that his cellphone would soon become the only tenuous link to his daughter. oh stop. i physically, peppa, i'm trying to send you a voice message. hope it reaches you quickly, emma. and me, i'm doing really well. we have a really big apartment here. i decorated everything and purple as quickly as you know must. we don't have couches here, but these hose usa is or is ok. i'm also sending you photos of the present. he gave me on my shank funny gold have glass become leonor. had told of her wedding at just
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15. she had married and his law make state fighter here the official wedding photo leonora, one of his 3 new brides. the of one done 5 we were married by the i went on, he is is no call. they had us go into the room briefly and give them a thumbprint on the own, up to a game and just like that we were married on your blog. oh and the bridle gave of like they asked us what we wanted as a gift. in my case it was a gold necklace and bracelet had kept on good on month. then they said, congratulations, you're married on his head. singer lunch is on file, out of vanish or it was unpleasant. we didn't even know each other. yeah. yeah. we'd written each other if she tries on whatsapp and things like that. what you can't really get to know someone like that kennon and her husband nie hug also came from eastern germany. his real name is martine lenika. he left for syria about 6 months before lenovo and had become an intelligence officer for the islamic state.
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ah, soon after his daughter vanished, mike contacted a journalist ah, that's where i come in. folk markovich. i'd been recording on terrorism for years and spend time in syria and iraq. we hit it off right away. we didn't know it at the time, but there would be many more meetings and conversations like this one in 2015 mostly revolving around one question, why? it was either for, for gloss against go kind of trunks or doesn't don't wrinkle full. she showed us out completely, kept us out of that part of her life. bitter a young girl voluntarily goes to syria isn't, isn't shiny gone muslin here. she wouldn't even go into the bond because of the maya gets broke, as will congress jumped on this. but then she heads off to a civil war where all hell had broken loose, where people aren't messing around as much to who cancel either. in rocca,
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the capital of the islamic state, leon nova encountered the true face of the terrorist militia. she often texted her father about what she'd seen this happen the right in front of leonor has doorstep. and with these atrocities the i asked was making propaganda on the internet, recruiting new followers and scaring opponents. now in january 2021, lenovo has left the terror, stayed behind. she's been released from detention in germany, awaiting trial, and is headed back to our small village. in the 6 years since she left, she's been through war, terror, imprisonment and the long fight to get back home. so i haven't really grasped at all yet, but sitting in a cell like that, you don't see much of the outside world or that you're back in germany when you're
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in jam segment felony. lenovo still has a long and difficult road ahead of her. she's being investigated for membership in a terrorist organization. the jesus didn't. soon after arriving in syria in 2015, leonor has dreams gave way to a gram reality. she found her husband repulsive, the islamic state to brutal and life as one of 3 wives, fraught with conflict. i me a buddha anesha. he never scold me or be the way he had her eagles. i'd even compare the betting and sucking they'd say mine weren't as bad as her language either. once until war garcia, eman,
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district whitewash. we had the impression that her husband was in over his head. some people might think 3 wives grey's us to fight our coil. what year old people with an aid desires often wishes to induce madmen? bless us. i never heard that from martini that. i was stressful. quite the opposite . he said he'd like 3 more. why? what's my morning? after 2 months from what we gathered and she realised that her situation, there wasn't what she had expected card. she even said it. okay, so i said, i'd like to go home and it would be nice if you could do something. now when than it was and then it's helpful to know someone who knows someone who can deliver to can now what mike is referring to are my journalistic contacts traffickers and they had contact with terrorists. but should i a journalist act as a go between after many discussions we decided yes,
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on the condition that mike make any and all decisions on his own. we met in turkey smuggling, some one out of i as controlled territory can be extremely dangerous, particularly for a woman travelling alone at a hotel in the south of turkey, mike met the smugglers. i took a back seat, he handled the negotiations. the 1st room with him of my meeting with us today. if he was clean caught, well groomed up. he said he had ties to the news restaurant to tie. so i'll create a more or less miracle video, a kinder sized mike, mike from brighton box in a town of $200.00 is sitting in a hotel with 2 guys from al qaeda. i had a drinking tea party and smoking a 100 cigarettes. you let them as indefinite if told us, they're definitely terrorist as increased. just minor puckett mobile, real thugs. but i want my daughter back with us can drill. hum.
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ah. then it begins somewhere in syria. some men are making their way to rocca. they'd managed to smuggle people out of the i s capital in the past, and extremely dangerous undertaking. in 2015 rocco was the heart of the islamic state, fully in the grip of the terror groups. the security forces who were constantly on patrol leo, nova sent my car location and photos of the surrounding area. knowing she could be put to death if she were caught i was just staring at the clock. no minutes go by no words or 20 minutes. it's through nothings alone. such men. the plans kept falling through each time putting low. no huh. at greater risk. how are they i keep waiting,
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but no one can no one there please. it is to papa. the smugglers made more than 10 attempt to reach her either talk at his wooden door a little time. there was an hour, an hour and a half every day. there just to everything i had to worry, asking and answering questions correctly. now the fear is hard to describe. that kind of tension has come up on a strategic i've none, but they didn't give up. setting up a meeting at an internet cafe and rocca he shows on his smugglers then did something they hadn't done before by going into the internet cafe on the golf. when we were waiting here. oh, it was 6 o 1 pm vincent o 2. ah ah, she survived, neil, me, you didn't go online and it's to your last house in dangling, perforce those his thoughts were going through my head and it was unbearable. come
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on, nora, we can't make it any easier for you than this. at 640, she finally came online online loop booth does all the sled stuff and that was the last we heard from hipaa finish or you know, the last time she wrote down then nothing days went by with no word from low. no huh. then i deja her husband 2nd wife sent a message. ah
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oh it was the news they had been dreading mike and the rest of the family had no choice, but to believe lenovo was dead killed in a war not hurt to fight. ah ah. 3 weeks later, i paid mike a visit this time bringing my camera along. he told me that he tried to get through the days somehow, but he hadn't made it through a night without weeping. thinking this thought, a child is dead. and he fails just as hard, mr. shuffled. he failed to get her out of the hospice and she shoved. jocelyn ah, the event is bound,
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frenzel dumb it. we're going to plant this tree. hugging not to bury our child. we can't do that, but to say good bye. well, we'll have a place where we can goes, which is symbolically where she'll be leaked often, bullish children back then. and in the years that followed, no one would have imagined that leo know how would ever be on her way home again with her family eagerly waiting the day leo know her left home almost exactly 6 years earlier, was also a cold snowy day. no vista, that's hard to believe. i'm on this road again after 6 years. now my i could still
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remember that back then. i thought it might be the last time i'd ever be on this road. this finished class on the line with no one better to say we can't get anything done here. so right. but that's the thing there is the church where i was tied. mary. exactly. lou ah oh man. soya as a well they were. i won't survive this after 6 years now have a heart attack. i was like, oh oh, we are already. i mcdonald. i head. oh.
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oh boy. oh you what you i think i can manage after 6 years and syria, leonor huh. is finally home again with mom is momma here. ah, yes, i'm here. but leonor has returned to normal life wouldn't be as easy as they had expected. it's latin oliver. they were all waiting. is she going to have some sparkling wine or not staying on my old grandma?
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think bad of me if i don't know. she's like, i'm still a radical. oh no. they really makes you think. oh man. yeah. so hey, i took a step in. i haven't looked at all of it tasted terrible. i hated it. never again either. now in 2015, mike had believed his daughter was dead. but the message from syria was a lie. probably to punish mike for the escape attempt. several weeks would pass before this message arrived. leonora was alive, but still living under a terrorist regime. the olla is la mia. arabic for islamic state in germany, the families ordeal continued. day after day, month after month, mike wondered how his daughter was doing. and if he her see her alive again as
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2015 gave way to 2016 in syria, people were dying every day on all sides with this as the vida that our 1st christmas in 16 years with at leo homes, mom office. it's a peculiar feeling. oh london, we don't have to say it. we just look at each other and we know, then you find yourself with it is on the horizon. mm. mike and his new wife came to a decision to go on with life. one way or another. a new baby was coming a girl 2 years later in 2017. rocca was under attack layer no. her left the war torn city soon. the islamic state lost control over rocca. and by then lay inova was pregnant with
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ah, it would be another 3 years before mike would be reunited with his daughter and meet his granddaughter. 2021 back and but i hadn't been leo novas 1st weeks at home didn't go as smoothly as they'd hoped. she often felt overwhelmed and needed help to manage a daily routine and she was still under criminal investigation. eventually she would face terrorism related charges. yon looks her, he saw, she returned, but there was a lot of work to be done to complete his work. so she arrived with a huge backpack of experiences and problems. young london dodge turned on,
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noncom done, and then she arrived in germany and well mrs. muscle, she was handed. another bag hacked was with another set of problem with one young not wydell involved in birth certificates for the children of the kingdom on health insurance. i sure can were finding daycare up in 4 months in germany. i filled out more paperwork than i hadn't 6 years in syria and i arrived here and had to start again from 0. i had to register deal with so many issues. sometimes everything would depend on a single piece of paper work for p up. mike had been waiting years to have his daughter back to the family, help lenovo with her appointments with the authorities and the paperwork. but it soon became clear that exchanging voice messages was easier than living under the same roof. after 6 years, they couldn't just pick up where they had left off
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the current since that the excel is the last 6 years boiled down to this look and all those terrible things. but we were able to deal with them. my experienced them revived and together virtually 3 a freshman fruit. i could fly to turkey. no problem with him. that's with our cut on it in a table with acadia, no problem. the kemp we ford facility is bo return and couldn't manage to spend 6 weeks under the same roof together gosselin. ah, there were frequent arguments and misunderstandings. lenovo was preoccupied, even self absorbed. she was under criminal investigation, had survived trauma and struggled to meet my expectations. after just a few weeks, the situation had escalated, the 2 had completely different ideas of how life together should work. mike wanted leonor, that to take part in family and village life while they are no ha preferred spending hours alone in her bedroom. their lives just weren't compatible
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papa kept saying come out of your bedroom with the children. come out to the worse it is going to moment last food had and i just wasn't interested. walked off me a lot. i don't want to sit around the campfire with people from the village not says i couldn't do it. how far is contest in it? i go to something had to change the hobbies an omen. live individually. i contacted the youth welfare office. they said things aren't working out in 2000 and the welfare office. they said to me, we've been expecting your call for weeks now and woof. what my editions idling on. mm. let them down the on of only very few can make it work with that help of dry slept over it, but we wanted you to come to that realization yourself. understood well, thank you. no, no huh. and her daughter moved out to a group home for mothers and their children. lenovo took part in court order d,
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radicalization classes 3 times a week. she had to report to the local police. it a news come, i'll be right back. i'm just going to place 3 years earlier, lenovo had very different problems in the fall of 2018. she and her husband and me hard. martin were on the ron, surrounded by bombings and their rates. the islamic state was crumbling. and militarily, the regime was on its last legs palletized pins do. hello papa. it's me leo. we're here in the last village. they've surrounded us and all on one street, these land stayed only controls a single street. and that's all i remember all crowded in here. i know there's no
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right and we're hungry and cannot the children are freezing via we have to leave school. there's no future for us here. we don't even have a single dollar turn in, so we have nothing, nothing to eat off there. so we've decided to surrender, she moves out. so give me from, from off to the cindy, being my phone when be p fif. and i knew it meant that radio syria was back on the air mitchell with some sort of interesting news. after 4 years, you develop a bit of a hard shell to protect your so a swan is why he was a voice message from martin lemke. and he didn't sound too happy he's unable to needs image you stream high visa or some of from swanny temperature . an issue among the through the dumbest. she might other from us, with a lot of people with her to the inversion, low vision by that a young to had as assist assurance does say to jim's only home isn't on come on of
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american dell. suddenly the person who's been trying to ruin your life for years context, you whining to help me, me, me, me, me, me another st. jude taken aback. what is this isn't us it's, we'll go from denver so and then it cleared. then you realize he's really in trouble now on the loss of do i think the court thought or some kind of when he to yourself. mm. in early 20. 19 more than 40000 people from the last remaining i asked territory surrendered lenovo messing was one of them. nearly 4 years after leaving germany, she found herself in the syrian desert. the images from a news agency went around the world of because i was my own my own nice big long time ago. and now i noticed with
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for her father at home and biden, bah, it was the news he had been waiting years to hear a soul plus i basically slept through it. so i'd be hoping for this for years. vince, if the sir in this market is pretty, go to bed, get up and find the problem. had disappeared, often moved on the way to work. it suddenly stuck in on the north, an auto got out of the car and thought enough was we thought yes, great. this is for by its over leah, no hell was brought to the unholy prison camp in northern syria housing up to 90000 people. the camp was under the control of syrian kurtz, a huge tented prison in the middle of the desert. stuck me, i knocked it out to myself. how bad can it be? there must be lots of women who've left, i guess already here, full meal down and when i arrived,
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i saw every one dressed in black article from head to toe. i'd have to, i thought the can i as to point out and it was under spousal there was constant tension in the camp. many wanted nothing more than to go home. others hoped the islamic state would rise again in the middle of it all low nova for nearly 2 years she and her 2 children lived in attend here. while still in the ins, lenovo had become a mother for a 2nd time. the little one's name was maria, but maria's health was frail and she'd been hospitalized several times. there was nothing the doctors there could do. meanwhile, germany was debating whether to repatriate people who had joined the ins. but were they still dangerous? in march 2019, i went to syria, myself and interviews. leonor has said she turned her back on the ins,
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but did she really understand what she'd done to herself, her family, and to the people of syria, and what had drawn her to the islamic state in the 1st place. a flam latins is on wednesday, august my manhattan in germany, you saw lots of people converting taskbar. my checks on them. i thought i was young, i guess, and i wanted to revoke like i was in tight stream with f cuts and hm said she tells me she stopped believing in the i as a long time ago. but what does she think about her own actions from isn't what has she learned these past 4 years on schwartz dunn? i'm from the all i really wanted was to go home. yeah. and, and as this emma and when that didn't work, things got worse than anguish. my because i realized i had to live here more. there i wanted to, or not village or devolution is back in germany
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early 2020 to leonora had begun to reflect more deeply on what she'd done. she'd begun to process it all and it wasn't always easy. do you feel guilty? oh that yes, definitely. i think as i went there, said in on the also, and i truly need little answer because i didn't know about allowed them to take down. was the alkalis, none. let's even today i'm still finding out things about that about the organization. what about heard? you organize it, so no doubt you buy in. i'm still finding out things about my former husband from complete strangers on lighting mun, her former husband, ne hon. abu yasser, who's actually martine lenika. i also met with him in syria, where he was in custody at the time of filming. in germany there is a warrant for his arrest. hello. he seems to be trying to win my sympathy. he's been fug my garbage woocommerce deutschland it's hard
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here. we're under a lot of psychological pressure. i sit in a cell alone and can't see or hear any watched. martine them is believed to have been one of the highest ranking germans and the i as another return. he later said he didn't torture, but he allowed others to torture. whether that's true is unclear, unsurprisingly. lim cut denies it. oh, he is deceased a dutch sounds in mid didn't augustine. and september 2019. i went public for the 1st time talking about leo nova and her story in a documentary on a german news broadcaster good. now, good evening. she was an ordinary girl in an ordinary village in saxony on halt. 15 year old leonora was well liked the documentary about leonor her and her father. mike also found its way into the camp and syria camp inmates washed it on their cellphone's including low. no huh. it was the 1st time she'd seen how her father
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had been coping kept us mid. so not lang copa. i wash it with a small group home and who are also opposed to the i a z as who are normal. you could say no mom, tulsa, we all sat there and were really upset him because we were crying. wish. glad. so i guess i was the most emotionally affected because it was my father had zang the undergrad. i seeing the other side to the dental course. how much my father had suffered on thus i really did me. i would get my life. i love my father so very, very much every one know style and my daddy's girl and i couldn't bear to see him suffer dow. it really hurt you, thus hug, manage to shoot me. other women in the camp also saw the film. leonora became a target for radical islamists with hanging nathaniel home and really went not as i well, they said things like when you're asleep at night, we'll take your kids. he burn you alive in your tendency, naturalistic,
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you know home fuckin', same with them sets as i'm up and i've been, i was very afraid, dad, the hellish, youngstown but leah no, i didn't. back down. she took off her head scarf and switched sides, helping the kurdish guards who kept control of the women in the camp. leonor has life and the lives of her children were now at risk. for the i asked women in the camp leon nova was a traitor and apostate who deserved death. and she wouldn't have been the 1st in the last year loan, more than 100 people had died. and i'll hold that pole. dusty coordinate kurtz gone the out of the camp after my photo started circulating online for them and tunnel and got all the i s, whoops. arabic ones, german and english, one english and a picture of me and my child was online. mit man, can they put a bounty on my head? $70000.00 schemes of the $70000.00 for the person who cut my head off or whatever. allow food in india. a puck. i don't feel humor. mike refused to give up. back in germany,
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he continued his fight in court. mike messing versus the federal republic of germany. he was represented by duke, shown him a lawyer from hanover who taken on many such cases in 2020. the german government always offered the same arguments. what is the your, what is the german government wanted to bring the young children back without their mothers, without accompaniment, exult, chicken women that would have just led to even more trauma for the children. but of course isn't as it is a kingdom with those children. some of them had been born there on to and gone through war 3, hunger bombing ray. i lived todd and we thought that had left its mark on that on these inner too, and many were seriously traumatized all if he hey, then to add to that trauma by separating them from their remaining parent. and im sublime. that for me that was unacceptable. leticia finish up the, the court agreed ruling, the children had to be repatriated with their mothers. but still nothing happened.
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langley, biggest wish is that we leave together, but if that's impossible, that at least the children should go nagging. mike had hoped that he no longer had to worry about. no, no ha, and his grandchildren. but month after month passed until finally, a german delegation went to syria. though the 2 countries had no diplomatic relations, the visit helped push. oh, very early. i don't know exactly what time to kurdish women came into my tennis saying, oh well then let's go yellow, yellow, let's go. yeah, you have 10 minutes. us get north. dorothy milton said lenovo to other german women and a total of 12 german children were flown out of syria. but the flight didn't go according to plan ish dig a lawyer got very quiet and hardly knew october to soak. then she started twitching with her head and could only look up to one side on that that was alarming. and the creature titian's from germany, who are on the flight, came over as before,
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gave her an injection. and oxygen of they did everything they could armonk on him to guitar. when it happened again, we made an emergency landing. come, he is a son with landlord. they landed in vienna, mother. suddenly my baby was gone away, continued on him. i had no choice. must pass yes and when the step did i, as i had no idea what would happen in vienna at which she die without me by her side. and how could this happen? things can end like this stuff. i was really afraid she die and i never get to see the 3 of us together here safely living a normal life even kona i am sca shelf, but we made it in
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my 4 friends or did you just imagine and syria, she was half star was the i had another way of going a month if i had something for her, papa sent me money in which i used to buy milk and hodge of al from quanto was alonzo. and but she refused it all and kept vomiting. also nora until has, i've managed to keep her alive on my own now will even though every one in the camp was against me, come no man in corn, suzanne, together with the kurds. i managed to keep maria going eggs that dorothy clicked on uncomfortable, and we're finally on our way almost home to nick and you see the doctor start to talk amongst themselves quietly. well, so that i couldn't hear it. a hint. i'm at the sound. it's getting worse, her life is in danger. we have to land enough men and all you can think is a so no. oh mike went to vienna to get maria leon off as decision to join the i would follow the family for years. not the most, maria. it's susan based on what we know now. it was almost a spontaneous, momentary decision to join the ins. frustrating for don was winston are the ones i
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took on to the novice. what followed was 7 years this week decision, but then it just dragged on and on through what it was a little meal in the morning. all in the morning odyssey told her that he didn't get much easier to. she finally returned till ah, a year has passed since leonor has returned to germany. she and her father are now back on a solid footing. gunners cut it, they were able to become closer by living apart if it's been good for both of them. no, no has trial on terrorism related charges is due to start in a week. she's hoping for a light sentence without prison time going back into custody would undo everything she's accomplished so far. her education
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driving lessons, her daily routine with her daughter is as i don't know, who does come, it's going well, must have turned on fisma hostility from any one. wow and say what your daughter is, my daughter's daycare no way. sadly or as but as nathan, we had our 1st parents evening where we talked about everything then happy at us and i just decided to mention the middle is gone. if i didn't plan it, it was spontaneous. this dang, exact of i said in late january, you will probably see me on the news again because my trial will get underway. have you done any final thoughts of i started crying and the other mothers also got tears in their eyes was poor will call. they gave me a lot of support. mccann called they said that i shouldn't worry about them. they never had any bad thoughts about me. yeah. me oh, developed and very welcoming and adding me to their whatsapp, cru, gama little little things like that. make me really happy,
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politically. i don't want people to say, oh, i feel so sorry for you needed. i definitely don't want that about i just want them to let me be fun. why doesn't me ever less go away so they accept you as you are leo. know her says she regrets what she did, but will that be enough? in late january 2022, her trial began behind closed doors. since she was being tried as a miner, leonora testified at length. almost 4 months later, the verdict was issued. though it was not yet final. immediately afterwards she called her father. hello. and i i'm out on probation. the vehicle has the missed. can you hear me? yes up. i got probation. i don't have to go to jail. was an issue giving
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ah, oh, that's wonderful. it's, it's finally over up when we can finally put this behind us. papa. yeah. i tupper. then i'll let you get some sleep. now i can sleep. i haven't even shaved. this is all going on tv. i look like a bomb. this. my love you, papa. so much, all right, joe, got half a dozen pion. i hope there in a few years i'll have both of my children and may be a partner with a good job man that will have a house and live an ordinary life. marlis long running is just like a totally normal person. meant no. do you think you deserve bank? told clara good question. a sack as ever my i would say yes.
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