on our website, which is d w dot com ah it's lee is having from afar. i'd government on its 1st female prime minister, georgia maloney's victory, the head of an alliance of right wing partis, a sparked fears of division in italy and in europe was maloney's victory speech said the right things that she will govern for all italians. but can we take the word of a hard, right, anti immigrant leader of a party with neo nazi roots at face value? i'm fill galen berlin and this is the day ah. with we must remember that we enough to the end point barely a start some point to lead the italians have chosen. it has been a clear choice. they have chosen the right green,

the court docket. i am counting on going straight on for at least 5 years or no changes. i'm in no up here. balls, humane. yeah, no, thank you. thank you all. good luck to everyone. selenium for me are known to be a fan boy, or jill today is a sad day for italy for europe at dublin. georgia did well, we will work together well and for a long time and the other line, it's from tomorrow and that we must prevail were in all sort of order. also on the day continuing opposition to russia's mobilization of fresh troops for it's warn you cry, easiest loser. guardian, i expect martial law to be declared as a result of unification with those eastern parts of ukraine to russia, which will be followed by a global mobilization glove. well, for me personally, i st. neither ideological nor legal grounds for myself to get involved in this war

. welcome to the day. now italy's right wing alliance is on course to win a clear majority in both houses of parliament, stella by georgia, maloney from the brothers of italy. she's promising to restore national pride in social work to bring unity rather van division. the european, the commission said it hopes for constructive corporation with the new government, georgia maloney takes the state in the historic election when she's now set to become italy's 1st female prime minister and the 1st leader of a far right italian government. since world war to her right tween coalition stood, 44 percent of the vote. well ahead of her lettering rivals. signaling a tectonic shift in italian politics. maloney's party, brothers of italy, has its roots in near fascism opponents fear rollback of riots. but the party is

quick to disavow any connection with italy's fascist passed accordingly, if you look at our percentage for their liddy darya took a 26 percent of the voter in italy. so unless you want to say that all the italians are a fascist, or most of them it's, it's, it's something that is not true. now we, we are not that we are ah new way to think at the right. ah, politics. and, and that said, others fear that the election results may tip the balance in a you decision making to the right as rights when governments rise in europe. barbara would not be this through. italy will have a right tween government. the trend that arose in sweden a few weeks ago, has also come to italy. or drill to day is a sad day for italy and for europe in europe. there are hard days ahead of us.

jordan's doughty no, maloney has been known for her hard line views on social issues like immigration and same sex marriage when she took the podium after her election when she promised to govern for all italians. it's a message that resonated with many voters. the yoga i always supported the left, but they disappointed me. i am 75 years old. i would like to see change. come let's give this a try. sure it's risky. yeah. but maloney seems quite competent and we need change . there is the milligram daddy where the cost of living crisis and the war and ukraine. maloney takes the reins at a time of crisis for italy and europe. her leadership may set a new course for both. let's explore this with natalie tachi. she's a political scientist and director of the institute of international affairs that's a private, non profit italian think tanka welcome to the w. let's start with the georgia dream

. the learning a much has been made of her far right. routes and her parties links to nero. not since it. is she a near fascist? well, i mean i think question media is what does fascism mean in the 21st century? so yes, very clearly the roots of the posse lie in fascism. is she a fascist today? what does it mean to be of sessions today? you know, as far as those routes are concerned, you see this emerging in ways which may perhaps sound a little bit acronis dick, but not particularly disturbing in and of itself. for instance, georgia. it only talks about the fact this sport is an offset of watching, defines as youth deviations by which she means anything from all to her out listen to drug abuse is poor to necessarily a dangerous thing today will probably not necessarily now that those factors,

of course, do also, and this is very 21st century spill into extremely conservative views on issues such as l g, b t q writes such as migration. so those are the that the dimensions really to conduct a look out for that. i would say that is in a sense where we get into the riskier sort of so raw the fascism in the traditional sense, meaning bailey is, as i said, not quite clear what, what it would actually be today. right. so does this result then mean that italy has necessarily veered massively to the right, they be italian electra or does it mean that they think they've exhausted the usual possibilities? well, firstly, i would say that this is not actually a vote to the right. i mean, if you look at the actual vote distribution, the reason why the right has one is because it was the only set of parts used that

actually united in a coalition as opposed to the center of the left, which was split in at least 3 different groups, so given the nature of the electro law, a 3rd of which is determined by 1st past the post. basically it was almost a mathematical certainty that the, the right is going to win. what really has happened has been re distribution of those within the right. so essentially brothers eventually milady's party has essentially taken and sucked to re votes from other rightly parties. and in particular, for a matter of cell, the nice leak party now is more or less dangerous than brothers to say that the league is clearly a nationalist party. bright and hard brightening party and also a populous party. i wouldn't define milani's party is being populous, certainly,

nationalist says in the hard right. but not of the populace. very. so as i said, it's really a redistribution of both within the right and has be in that you that we heard earlier. most people actually voted for her mainly not so much for what brite, when vote a vote for change. you know, we have seen this happen time and time again, time in politics across, you know, the left right, divide. we have seen matthew and he's democrat party soar to 40 percent. and then come down to the right. c. as a volatile, we can take that. what 3 me volatile, what are the likely to be the political process of a government led by georgia maloney? oh, the question really is, what is it you know, what, what are the double the priorities of any government are in europe today? and they're pretty much the same were ever read. you stand along the political spectrum. it's about the energy crisis is about the war. it's about the economic

crisis. and this is in the sense she has the agenda made for her up until when we are in this crisis, the kind of solutions that she will have to come up with a not for massive. he different from those that, that, and his government. i tried to come up with and indeed governments in france and germany and elsewhere you have to come up with. so that will preoccupied a c, as, as, as you say, as all politicians are, she is likely to be with the war, the economy and power that we are, we presume even that, that leaves her less time to go after the, the migrants and, and the, the gays and the other target surveys, right. when groups i think that's absolute, right? you know, i think the, if we were, for instance, are in the midst of the euros in crisis. we would have expected at the euro, skepticism of her nationalism emerging in

a far more forceful way. if we were in the midst of the migration crisis, we would see those anti migrant sentence emerge. but we are in a different context where we know or we're in the land, she'll economic crisis. and that context essentially constrains what she will be able to do. let's talk about the vis a vis new leader this, this new girl on the block. if i can put it in those sexes terms, because she's going to be partnered with silvio berlusconi, a multiple, a former italian prime minister as well as mateo, sylvania form, a deputy p. m. the whom both have a much stronger right wing agenda. will she be able to control them? i think she will be able to control them for the simple reason that we have seen these 2 parties of the league and policy car. yeah. basically they've taken the wheel beating in the selection. essentially the votes that she took had been sucked

away, made me from so being is government. so if you know she sounds at 26 percent in that coalition, they stand respectively at 8 and a half and 8 percent. very clearly, the bargaining power is on in milani's hands as very clear. thank you so much for our outlining matter for us. i'm not really torture from the institute of international fair. thank you. thank you for the company says it has not yet made any decision about closing russia's board is despite a flood of men leaving the country to avoid being sent to fight in ukraine. the mobilization could c, as many as 300000 reserve is called up neighboring georgia is one of the country seeing a big influx of russian mer long lines of vehicles at the large he border crossing and entry point to georgia. these men of lean russia and loaded me put in the military mobilization or moved supporting suite, a $1200.00 to be escorted to the point to the killing,

which is 3 kilometers before the russian checkpoint on the russian, ga, borders. it displays just not because if you just honestly stay in the queue for leaving russia could take at least 72 hours. are we going our feet? we made it in 30 hours. of the russian authorities acknowledged a significant influx of cars trying to cross into georgia. this comes after an announcement of a partial mobilization sparked an exodus of fighting age men. and some feel that the situation will get even worse. easiest moses got if i expect marshal law to be declared as a result of unification with those eastern parts of ukraine to russia, which will be followed by a global mobilization globally. for me personally, i still neither ideological nor legal grounds for myself to get involved in this war of knowing that those were pretty interested with the way a sentiment shared by many in russia were protested against moscow's call up of military resumes. in the doug astonishing,

there were clashes with police are human rights monitors. as over 100 people were arrested green and president followed, amusing, and he called on russians not to summit, the mobilization mediums to lulu jeff. we see the people in particular and dagger than that began to fight for their lives. williamson. we see that they are beginning to understand what this is a question of their lives. they actually were yamba. why should their husbands brothers sons dying? this war, navine in a war that no one wants, nothing in a war against our people on our lands, on juniper, select another, he does not send his children to war. but it is that those really yet prevalent as mere de marshall g. trying to stop the exodus. russia toughened penalties from wall and re surrender and refusal to fight with those who do that now facing up to 10 years in prison. but for many the alternative is far more intimidating

as being an jade mcglenn. she is a senior researcher at the monterey initiative in russian studies. welcome to the w, a flood proteins called up and the reaction to it does seem to f intensified discussion and defense about this war in a country where penalties for defense are severe. that's true. i do think that it's important to draw a distinction between descent, against having to fight and dissent against the war in itself. because many of the covenants narratives about the war and about the need to fight in what they call not sees in here. and that this is not, this is a war to liberate ukraine from arrest them from anglo saxon control. they really resonate with a lot of the russian public. well, of course it's one thing, not your head on the television. and it's quite another thing to go and dine up, all right. and public anger as we saw in the report,

has appeared to be particularly strong in poorer ethnic minority regions of russia like druggist on why is that like a b? that's true. and that's because the deaf rates in these areas, in the minority areas and also in the poor regions, are considerably higher. so if, and of course, these are just the official numbers, it's like the f 2 is much higher. if we're talking about official deaf tolls, they're admitted as being in the late sort of $200.00 in regions such as the biggest republicans. but yet here, and this can think of a majority of enclave. and then in compared to mosque, which has, you know, many, many, many times people can then say 290 s, the 17, and it was around with why would they be absolute and proportionate number of deaths? and this will be so much greater in the space in this ethnic minority reasons why.

why is that? it is one thing is that the kremlin is rather scared of musk invites ability to pre test and say in general, they done everything to make it feel as if in the, to the sequel to capitals, peaks that must get. it was very, very far away. but it was saying because the army, so far before we came to before it came to mobilize ation, the army was trying to learn recruits. so by offering them up to 789 times the local salary and to sign a contract. and of course, that's much easier to do in polar regions. understood. so was one of the riots and the men fleeing the country. some quite senior voices have been raised or over the weekend. sort of tentative criticisms of these mobilization orders. i think to the editor of the state, run our t news channel and the chairs of the country's upper and lower houses of parliament . are we looking at wobbles within the russian estate?

perhaps some damage being cause to present futons or prestige there? it's interesting, i think i'm always very reluctant to suggest that this will come as a direct challenge to butin. often any criticism is done through the sort of mechanism of oh, the bad boy. and if only the saw new on, because of course, the nature of the russian regime is such that it's, it's not advisable to put it mildly to criticize piece directly. i think it reminds me a little bit when starting rushed to quickly with collective ation. and then realize that he created a huge issue and he wasn't going to be able to force it for, for the loan. and he wrote an article that title dizziness of success. and essentially he blamed on the way that collective as a she was managed in sort of playing the on the apparatus. and i, i do wonder if i'm getting similar. there's many similarities,

a lot of the war itself, but the way it's being executed by the people who are carrying on the commanders orders. it's been the exact or can we turn to be very hastily arranged referendums on annexation in those russian occupied areas of ukraine? the for thinking is about if those areas are declared to be part of rush, been puting can more easily deploy conscripted soldiers there. that's one of the fears off hold is that, does that theory hold water for you? no, not really in the sense that, i mean, well 1st he's not deploying conscripted soldiers or if we talk about mobilized so just mean he can even deploy them. they're quite easy. there are quite a few different theories. i think one s aspect that suddenly been overlooked is that this war in ukraine, it's also about resources and about people as resources are somewhat ironically, given how many people are currently trying to flee russia. but of course he will.

we've seen this in the next in the hands, god bless you will try to can, to mobilize and to recruit the and out at least to press gang in the army those ukrainians who are living on territories that will very soon be claimed as, as russian obviously completely artificially and without any legal basis. so i think that's one aspect is the actually he will then abuse those it sins as russians that, that he can consume into these really and repeat into the young. thanks so much for joining us in our lining up. so clearly jerry mcclain from the monterey initiative in russian studies, thank you. ah, not to iran where officials say they've arrested more than 1200 people taking part in anti government protest triggered by the death of a woman in the custody of the country's morality police. human rights modest to say

at least 76 people have died over 10 days of unrest as protesters continue to defy authorities. protests have also been held outside the radiant embassies around the world. certainly, the friends and the u. k. hundreds of the streets encourage control, the northern syria where master means death has become a rallying cry. iran accused the u. s. and other western states of using the protest to destabilize islamic republic. one of the ways a radial source is to try to control the rest is by trying to restrict internet access. just in sherman is a non resident fellow at the atlantic council cyber state craft initiative. he joins us from washington, d. c. welcome to d. w. explain to us please, how protesters have been making use of the internet. this time protesters have been doing everything online from sharing. so

the international community can see what's going on to using sites like facebook and facebook and twitter to actually coordinate globalization efforts with their peers. this is not unprecedented. iranians have done this before in the early and mid to thousands, using blogs and other internet services to mobilize to you know, draw attention to human rights abuses. and so now we see that same pattern of internet activity happening now just on a massive, massive scale. right? and iranian authors will close the intellect down completely as it happened at elsewhere with a disturb. so. so what are they doing and how successful has their act should be in a battery disrupting these process which are now in the 10th day. ron's in an interesting situation with their internet. there is access or on to the global web

. although a lot of websites are blocked, there's a lot of surveillance and people have to use a p p. and to get around those restrictions. but a ra advice that you, that you, you, you use to pretend that you're somewhere other than where you are. right, exactly. software you download to hide where your traffic is coming from. and so it's harder for someone to sensor you. and so all to say iranians have been dealing with these kinds of internet restrictions for a long time. and right now, when the government is trying to block access completely to facebook, to twitter, to whatsapp. that's part and parcel of that strategy. what's really changed right now is the government actually, in many places around the country, shutting down the internet completely by turning off mobile internet services. so if you pull up your phone, you're at a protest or there's some state violence happening in front of you. you try to upload it to twitter or facebook,

you're not going to get that internet connection. and now the u. s. is lifting a so into that sciences on the run to try to help the protesters, which sounds like a big step. given me antipathy between the 2 countries, at what effect is this likely to have that's right. it's been a controversial piece of the us sanctions against iran, that tech companies haven't been able to have been really hesitant to provide these kinds of anti censorship technologies to iranian. so it's a big deal that the u. s. government has done this on, you know, you on must, has made a lot of noise about his starling service. i think that's probably over hyped. um, you know, that technology, you actually need physical stations within the country, which is hard to get in. but other companies that provide anti censorship software are now free to really increase their, their reach into iran. right. and so you mentioned the ala musk, installing,

also available to ukrainians. of course, does the u. s. c. internet provision as another weapon against authoritarian regimes. that's been a contentious debate in the us for a long time about a decade ago. the answer would have been yes. the officials would say all the time, this is a tool that people can use to topple tyranny. it's a force for good. now there's a lot more hesitance about that, and as you noted, even with iran, us sanctions have limited this kind of technology go into iranians for years now. so, but i think, you know, what's going on in ukraine is a good example of using these technologies to support journalism, to support open access to information. i'm in, i would hope, you know, the u. s. government continues doing so. so as, as control of into that just becomes part of the playbook of,

of repressive regimes. do what do we expect next then from iran? did they just step it up and, and cut off internet services completely. that could happen. and you know, if a big sophisticated firewall like in china is a scalpel. busy and internet shut down as a hammer or, you know, sometimes authorities literally walk into a building point to someone managing and internet station and say, shut the thing down, turn off the power. and it's that simple sometimes. and so the more we see these protest growing, the more we see people sneaking out early in photos of violence, right, is inflicting against iranians. i think, you know, at some point the state is going to say, we don't want to monitor this online any more. we're just going to pull the plug much as we can. i thank you so much for joining us. justin sherman from the atlantic council side mistake craft initiative. and that

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