and i'm home about their motivations. i can texture just so much to you in the end. goal of architecture is to create habitat for human about their struggles and dreams, sponsibility of human to they have so much to learn, shattering the glass ceiling women in architecture to school. this has to be really, really good. start september 30th on d. w. sham referendums in the occupied regions of ukraine and more russian troops are drafted into battle. but the protests are increasing across the country. i guess this week has his own unique protest, very spun, very all foreign service veteran resigned in shame with the war in ukraine. the only russian government official to do so in public. what are the chances of putin

providing the conflict? he started a, these elect mail press one to lead instrument to try to get himself out as the war goes on, how real is the nuclear threat? and why the russian officials believe the west wouldn't retaliate against the nuclear strike from moscow. i respond very off welcome to conflicts own hello team. before we talk about your personal story, i'd like to deal with some of the latest events going on in the russia ukraine war . let's start with the so called referendums, taking place in 4 ukrainian regions occupied by russian troops. asking people if they want to join russia itself, since no one is going to believe the result. why bother with this? i think it's like going to come to convince people within the rush it

is all right. ready those people in today's new created republics are really enjoying my russian. so it given the government. ready no reason to, to continue the world nodded to the fact that people are song region and so on. so it's do more domestic relations. and you think the domestic population is that gullible, that they're going to believe it. they know by now that russia doesn't hold elections unless it fixes them in advance of it. well, you know, the rest of ablation, which is the main problem, is, has been so far, very different. what's going on? oh, science, so to speak. so it's only these days, some of them are starting to understand that the war is much closer than it was

then they thought it was. and so yeah. ready examines it's still believing that they can't sell any anything to bit things 3. even now we've seen in the last few days after chaos over the partial mobilization, which put in ordered. the kremlin says it's drafting $300000.00 troops to ukraine. other reports say around a 1000000, how much difference do you think these extra troops will make because the failure so far haven't been caused by troops shortages have they, they've been caused by low morale, poor logistics weapons that haven't worked poor command structures. that's been the problem, hasn't it? yeah, i guess so. i believe that these new numbers do in the come all at once to the front line. they will not change the course, or they will, can only make it more slow for russia to, to,

to the war. the army being so far very incompetent in terms of stress, in terms of military planning. so implementing the ration and so it's all so so for now the main superiority, say, so all the russian army in comparison to the brain was. ready the numbers, the numbers, so i think they can only by the numbers. one of your most powerful criticisms of the russian government that you served is that it's part of a system that deceives itself. is that the military problem as well, it's been deceiving itself about its capabilities about its weapons, the state of its preparedness, this kind of thing. yeah, sure, sure, this is absolutely common. all branches rather than it is all being on

these lies on cells. so cells complicating records and so on, so we can see it by the database. the 1st place it's just that he missed his own spring and the ability to bring in our direction of the west. it was all great mystical ation based on the information you received from you to support a 1000000000 service from means of defense and so on. but do russian officials even know where the truth really live any more? well, it's hard to say that because i think the very low level people who work really in the field, they know the truth. but while they're being reported to it distorts in many ways. so it's no surprise the decision makers on

the chain. they sell the information which is not reflecting reality for over 20 years that you worked in the foreign ministry. you said the level of lies and unprofessionalism was increasing all the time. is that what was demanded by the bosses? just tell the gramm then what they want to hear. that's it. yeah. yeah. because if you reported to my school, the situation is not always favorable to us. they might make things that you don't work well enough and it will make your career prospects less. right, then you would expect, so everybody wants to breeze now school to show that they were being very hard and then you've done some promotions. and also that this year, believe you said in may that you had recently seen misleading information cable

to moscow because that's what they wanted to hear. what was that information most that it was the, the russia, russian interest, the russian positions regarding the world is very widely shared by many countries. but the russia isolated the western. ready walls and everybody understands the walls, for instance, it also goes to the chemical, scandalous about these 3 boys on the y and the boys for instance, and some other things. so it is reports being when you have to report the truth, but you have to and you guys and so nobody understands whether it's a kind of see, but this is a very bad back in the world. you're, you're very scathing about the foreign minister said a lover off,

did you expect better from him? you say he sent to mind the degradation of the system? well, well he seems it done a lot of illusion where we have multiple minister to what we see now another symbol of this system which is now denying the reality. so i don't expect anything from anything wrong with the galler. i'm here to present us and i think that it will. ready all see, the collapse of this is really collapse. yeah. i base based on what all the lives that they've told they suddenly realize, but nothing is true that everything's going wrong. and it's too late to do anything about it. is that, is that the scenario that you foresee?

i believe that it is all the but it depends on the war and it's out. but i don't see russia achieve the real story of this. it can be used on the woodson countries star, sublime and you bring it all the way around as well. so just be doing the way in all other scenarios, you will have to retreat. you will have to bend down and down. that will be very hard blow because it's been in the run up to the invasion when russian diplomats all over the world were ridiculing the idea of war. did you know the putin was going to invade the us knew about it last thought him and said, so did. did you know, did people in your embassy? no, this was going to happen. no. well it was. the information of the decision was not disclosed to almost anyone. so it was only personal

guessing whether you will decide to wait or not. i personally didn't believe because i would foresee the consequences that they would do. ready house i was pretty sure that law school also has this knowledge that is understanding, but evidently they didn't. evidently, they missed quickly. as i said, how moscow lied to its own embassies as well as to everyone else. oh, well yeah. ready they. ready live they just don't tell anything that they don't want to tell and they the embassy just the. ready thing for that you said what disturbed you most in the russian embassy was the casual way. some of your fellow diplomats talked about nuclear strikes against the west, even though they worked in control. did they have no idea how these nuclear strikes

that they were talking about might lead to world war 3 or the consequences of that? you know, these very dangerous thing is that the whole. ready thing about this stuff to do with you. ready to, to make you strikes against the west. again, the 1st place those people are sure that there will be knowledge of age that the west will just slower and just to the knees. and let's say let's again, ok ok let's, let's make a really believe that what, what makes them believe that i think it's a very old and prejudiced regarding the western it's in russia that there were some people. ready very weak and where it pampered because they are very used to comfortable that you know and that they're not ready to sacrifice like for the war

because every whirl makes it makes it makes people live uneasy. and we, we are known to all the world that we can stop up or as long as it takes. well, it's not the worst, but it is. and the people who made big items, they also share this with you. at one point you asked your former colleagues if they'd be happy for their children to live in radioactive ruins, and they simply reply, this is about values traditional russian values as opposed to those of the decadent west. so in their minds it's ok to blow the west if the west doesn't share these wonderful russian values because it's all these talk about imaginary because no one can really imagine what will be what that. ready ready and they just tried to,

to make themselves more confident about that. but i believe that some decisions can be made on these are ross and fortunes. in the last few days, we've heard more threats from mister, put in more unrest across russia itself. some common treason suggested that amid all this chaos putins power is beginning to drain away, do you by that scenario. i think that this is age range of the of the k is reading. but the last reserves, well, if you go up and mailed it to me to me use. so we have a rest in the, in the, in the region the front 3 years. so i could do that. there was an address and to

remodel will be the rising coming days. how long can you make as many mistakes and choke up as many failures as he has and remain in these days in russia? it's hard to say it's hard to say, i think the fate of the regime is strongly dependent on the bill already described. but if we did make a blog, a little bit of the russian arm, the russians aren't even with the in the supporters. so he will continue and i will. ready continue getting or defeats by an army that will drill. ready korea might be making, i guess my question is more about the, the hotline political and security elite in moscow. they're not exactly known for

having a forgiving nature. how much of this, how much more of this will they put up with? do you think? i mean, we've got a long list of failures. we have the failure to take care of the failure to arrest the landscape. the failure to hold on to territory that they've captured high casualties. hardware that doesn't work, poor morale, you have to put in has to be running out of political capital at home. doesn't do well. well, because we cannot judge because we don't have any information. it's very close. but there's no doubt that. ready the russian that leads us please now, and a lot of them want to to change the john paul. but i think the also now the most powerful figures around him which got all armed forces, special services, the deal, sticking to him for some reasons. maybe they do believe that can resolve

a situation like he was general, very loyal to human, to the very 1st. so all they can cannot nothing with the nation to think about the future without themselves without boss. so it's very difficult to break it, but it's, it's natural that there will be most believes and we will, i think we will see it by nea. if you strip away over the lies the accusations, the propaganda. do you in your own mind, have a clear idea why putin started this war? yeah, she started this. ready war because he wants to empower you is struggling for lifetime and since he cannot sell in. ready any success. ready economy is shrinking if it's going to start with team the end of

the daily life of most people in russia as the teacher or 8 instead. ready he can only sell some military so that's why i see. ready wanted to read because it, if you will, all right, later look, raised russian rule defense, russian interest. and so if that were for some years like it was raining and he just wanted to repeat this premium f sites. so this idea that he felt threatened by nato, and he thought nato countries were trying to in circle russia. although how you in circle a country that has 11 times ends and is 10 percent or 11 percent of the wealth land mass. it's difficult to imagine, but all that's nonsense, all that was nonsense, was it that may be a 2nd thing he was thinking about, but i think the interest over securing the person of power,

the most important. we also need to talk about the needs. it's about possible western interference to domestic affairs in order to instigate progress within them is they. ready the all brought this within the country cannot just be created by the despite it's only it is only straight that by the west. ready it's another thing, but the 1st reason you just, you do to semantic to green bar. does he want to fight with nato? i hope not. but you know, he put him still in the worst if there's no would. i think these black male reps, the only instrument was to try to get some fill out considering how you've denounced the war and the lies of the russian government. how worried to

you about your own safety? i. i don't really think about this very much. i believe that now when i leave it in such a dangerous time that we all must think about the safety of more than our individual . ready so that's, that's, that's my answer. well, i know, i don't think much about a whole spate of key figures, business men, people in society who may or may not oppose the war have landed up dead recently. many seem to have had an expected accident or jumped out of upstairs windows, not a coincidence. is it opperation on the way? isn't there in russia? yeah, it's very suspicious incidentals. yes. i have no information about that. i think both these cases should be together. but why wouldn't it let me come back to the

issue of nuclear weapons because several, west and officials among them, america's national security advisor say they've spelled out to the kremlin the exact catastrophic consequences of going nuclear. do you think in any way that will deter putin your control business will well deter us even worse when both sides a whole lot, negotiation to this session. both parties are reasonable and they don't want to die. and they just want to to be off and the male diversity. ready at the distance, in this case, well, it's simulating, but that's what is it, he is not quite reasonable, or maybe he is really reasonable. we don't know so that he may come to talk to us and strikes. we don't know. so in this case,

if we deal with a man or that it, that if it's ok to start, what then deterrence may not work. if russia really intends to use a nuclear weapon, what would be the signs to look out for? do you get any of these signs now? do you see any of them signs that moscow is reading its nuclear arsenal for use? well i needed to know if that's different details, which would. ready show that my school is really. ready ready and its troops or drivers. so i believe that the intelligence gathered by the western classes is much more reliable. ready and they say that they detect no such science, but i got to read the whole blessed tempered by the rush and some troops were distributed. all radiation radiation

deals. so something, at least they were being read in one place. i don't know, maybe it's just a proper dentist so i don't know the rhetorical russian leadership and a nuclear blip my own way to february 24. so if we judge by the rhetoric, you can say that they would read into. ready new tribes. ready the beginning of the war, but it's not so evident. so whether they will be ready to start the new offering . that's. that's a big question. it appears that some of the fail safe mechanisms designed to prevent nuclear war have in part, been eroded. i'm talking about direct communications between senior russian and american military leaders. these appear to have stopped how dangerous is that?

it is very dangerous because those generally those communication channels very useful. so you know, the caribbean process it gets, it allows to the key to the commanders to, to talk to directly. ready each other's degrees in. ready wraps and war, but the current situation when both sides do not trust the child, so to speak, the channels me, i'm just working so under those circumstances, how easy would it be for one side to miss read the signals of the other and launch a war on a false understanding of the facts is very, very probable. right? i'm very, very nervous about any possible science. i don't know,

attack or any other interference from the west office into the brain war. so they can, i don't know what, what, what the read last are, but what they are some read last. so they can be very well is we always assume the rational leadership. ready been very inadequate. cindy, so it's very hard to state out. ready they perceive the information they get from the front line from the native classes so they can decide something, something in the, in imaginable without real real reasons for that. so the reason for. ready the station so what you're saying is that this could all get out of hand very quickly. i would say that if john get out of and but also the rest of that is i think it is not to native countries

do people not. so i don't know one for them to to start or maybe maintain, wanted to do is it rationally it around maybe a 2nd or 3rd ashlyn rush hour to, to present them. that is the only obstacle at the end of the normalization of relations. the gallons which must be gone with his blows, blows, policies and then the situation may be like reversed that i think that may make good to those people. ready to, to rally within the direct, vital to try and keep as many communications open as possible communication channel . yeah, sure. maybe not. maybe she shouldn't be isolated from he's the supporters that the work lead the rushman. i leave it. ready or but he spun that you're off. thank

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