carefully, don't know how those 2 things you need to do a good deal. the magic discover the world around you subscribe to d w documentary on youtube. sham referendums in the occupied regions of ukraine and more russian troops are drafted into battle. but the protests are increasing across the country. i guess this week has his own unique protest. very spun very all foreign service veteran resigned in shame with the war and ukraine, the only russian government official to do so in public. what are the chances of

putin surviving the conflict? he started, he put himself in this situation where there's no hm, i think these black male friends do want to lead instrument to try to get himself out as the war goes on. how real is the nuclear threat? and why do russian officials believe the west wouldn't retaliate against the nuclear strike from moscow? i respond that you're welcome to conflict zone hello team. before we talk about your personal story, i'd like to deal with some of the latest events going on in the russia ukraine war . let's start with the so called referendums, taking place in 4 ukrainian regions occupied by russian troops. asking people if they wanted to join russia itself, since no one is going to believe the result. why bother with this? i think it's barley for them to come to convince people within the rush it

is all right, and. ready those people in these new creat republics are really wishing to join the russian. so it's given the government. ready no reason to, to continue the world in order to get the. ready people from bias region and so on. so it's do more domestic relation. and you think the domestic population is that gullible, that they're going to believe it. they know by now that russia doesn't hold elections unless it fixes them in advance of it. well, you know, the rest of the asian, which is the main problem is, has been so far, very different. what's going on. oh, science. so just being so it's only these days. some of them are starting to understand that the war is much closer than it. ready was than they thought it was

. and so yeah. ready regardless, it's still believing that they can't sell any anything to bit things 3 people. even now we've seen in the last few days after k, also over the partial mobilization, which put in order the kremlin says it's drafting $300000.00 troops to ukraine. other reports say around a 1000000, how much difference do you think these extra troops will make because the failure so far haven't been caused by troops shortages have they, they've been caused by low morale pool, logistics weapons that haven't worked poor command structures. that's been the problem, hasn't it? yeah, i guess so i believe that these numbers do in the com. ready or wants to the frontline, they will not change the course or they will can only make it more slow or rush to

to, to the war. because the army being being so far very incompetent in terms of stress, in terms of the military planning in terms of the race. and so it's all so, so for now, the main superiority might say, so, oh, the russian army in comparison to the brain, was it the numbers? the numbers? so i think they can only by that was numbers was one of your most powerful criticisms of the russian government that you served is that it's part of a system that deceives itself. is that the military's problem as well. it's been deceiving itself about its capabilities, about its weapons, the state of its preparedness, this kind of thing. yes, sure, sure. this is a absolutely combo all branches of rough environment. it is all on these lives on

cells. so cells competing records and so on. so we can see it by the database we bring the 1st place. it's just that he missed his own brain and the ability to bring in our and the reaction of the west was all great. mystical ation based on the information you received from me. the subordinate deleon service from means of defense and so on. but do russian officials even know where the truth really lives anymore? well, it's hard to say that because i think the very low level people who work really in the field so to speak to. ready you know the truth, but while they're being reported to it distorts in many ways. so. ready it's no surprise, the decision makers on the chain. they sell the information which

is not reflecting reality for over 20 years that you worked in the foreign ministry. you said the level of lies and unprofessionalism was increasing all the time. is that what was demanded by the bosses? just tell the gramm then what they want to hear. that's it. yes. yes, yes, because if you report to moscow. ready the situation is not always favorable to us, they might think that you don't work well enough and it will. ready make your career prospects less right then you. ready expect so everybody wants to please moscow to show that they were being very hard and then you've got to re promotions and all. so that's, that's fear. believe you said in may that you had recently seen misleading

information cable to moscow because that's what they wanted to hear. what was that information? mostly it was the, the russia, russian interest russian positions regarding the. ready world is very widely shared by many countries, but the rush they did not isolated the western. ready walls and everybody on this down the walls for instance, it also goes to the chemical, scandalous about these 3 boys in on the y and boys for it, for instance, and some other things. so it is, you know, these reports. ready being when you, when you have to report the truth, but you have to and you guys and so nobody understands blevins, it's a kind of see, but this is a very bad. thank you. you're very scathing about the foreign minister. said

a lover off, did you expect better from him? you say he said to mize the degradation of the system? well, well, he seems you done a lot of louis where we are hopeful to what we see now. another symbol of this system which is now denying the reality so i don't expect anything from team anything from the galler. i'm here to present us. and i think that. ready well. ready i'll see the collapse of this when it cups. yeah. but i base based on what all the lives that they've told they suddenly realize, but nothing is true that everything's going wrong. and it's too late to do anything about it is that, is that the scenario that you foresee?

i believe that that is all, but it depends on the war and, but i don't see how russia can achieve the real story of this. this can be used on the worst, and congress star sublime and you bring it all the way around as well. so just be doing the way in all other scenarios, you will have to retreat. you will have to better go down and down. it will be very hard below because it's been in the run up to the invasion when russian diplomats all over the world were ridiculing the idea of war. did you know the putin was going to invade the us knew about it last autumn and said, so did, did you know, did people in your embassy? no, this was going to happen. no, well, it was the information the decision was not disclosed. ready almost

anyone. so it was only personal guessing whether you will decide to wait or not. i personally didn't believe because i would foreseeable the consequences that this invasion will do. ready house, i was pretty sure that the law school also has this knowledge of this understanding, but evidently they didn't. evidently, they missed that they were, as i said, how moscow lied to its own embassies as well as to everyone else. oh, well, i. ready they. ready like they just don't tell anything that they don't want. ready to tell at the embassy, just the thing that you said what disturbed you most in the russian embassy was the casual way. some of your fellow diplomats talked about nuclear strikes against the west, even though they worked in control. did they have no idea how these nuclear strikes

that they were talking about might lead to world war 3 or the consequences of that? you know, these very dangerous thing is that the whole. ready thing about this stuff to do with you. ready to, to make numerous rice against the west. again, the 1st place those people are sure that there will be knowledge of age that the west will just swallows. and just to bend the knees. and let's say let's again, ok, we're ok. let's, let's make it really believe that what, what makes them believe that i think it's a very old and common prejudice regarding the western. it's irrational that there were, some people are very weak and where pamphlets, because they're very used to comparable life, you know? and that then are ready to sacrifice like for the war because every whirl makes it

makes, it makes people funny. and we were known to all the world and we can stop up or as long as it takes. well, it's not the bread, it is worse, but it and the people who made big items, they also show you. at one point you asked your former colleagues if they'd be happy for their children to live in radioactive ruins. and they simply reply, this is about values, traditional russian values as opposed to those of the decadent west. so in their minds, it's ok to blow the west if the west doesn't share these wonderful russian values. because it's all these talk about imagined because no one can really imagine what will be what that will. ready be and of course they just tried to, to make themselves confident about that. but i believe that some decisions

can be made on the run around ross are important. in the last few days, we've heard more threats from mr. put in more unrest across russia itself. some common trees have suggested that amid all this chaos putins power is beginning to drain away, do you by that scenario. i think that this. ringback bill is asia ranch and other of the k is reading but in the last reserves. ready weapon mailed it to me to me. so we have a rest in the, in the country. yes. i can do that. those risk factor model will be

the rising coming days. how long can you make as many mistakes and joke up as many failures as he has and remain in par these days in russia? it's hard to say it's hard to say. i think the fate of the regime is very strongly dependent on the bill. already describe the potential successful re did make the blog under the age of the russian army. the russians are even with the in the supporters. so he will continue and i will. ready continue getting or defeats by an army that will derail. ready to korea might be i guess my question is more about the, the hotline political and security elite in moscow. they're not exactly known for

having a forgiving nature. how much of this, how much more of this will they put up with? do you think? i mean, we've got a long list of failures. we have the failure to take care of the failure to arrest the landscape. the failure to hold on to the territory that they've captured high casualties. hardware that doesn't work, poor morale has to putin has to be running out of political capital at home, doesn't d? well, well, because we cannot judge because we don't have any information. it's a very close. ringback but there's no doubt that the. ready rationally, us please now, and a lot of them want to to change the john ball. but i think the for now the most powerful figures around which all armed forces, special services, the deal sticking in for some reason. maybe they don't believe that we can resolve

the situation like people are general. we're very loyal to human, to the very yeah. so all, they just cannot nothing with the nation to think about the future without themselves without power. so it's very difficult to break it, but it's, it's natural that there will be muslims, and we will, i think we will see it by nea. if you strip away over the lies the accusations, the propaganda. do you in your own mind, have a clear idea why putin started this war? yeah, she started this. ready war because he wants to stay in power to what you're struggling for lifetime. and since he cannot sell in order to get any success because the economy is shrinking. if it seems to start with team the

end of the daily life, most people. ready russia has be deteriorating steadily. he can only sell some military successes. that's why he wanted to read because it, it all right. all right, well look, great russian rule. so defense ration interesting. so that would work for some years like to work with brain and he just wanted to repeat this, bring me an exercise. so this idea that he felt threatened by nato, and he thought nato countries were trying to, in circle russia. although how you in circle a country that has 11 times ends and is 10 percent or 11 percent of the world's land mass, it's difficult to imagine, but all that's nonsense. all that was nonsense was it may be a 2nd thing he was thinking about, but i think the interest over securing his personal power. the most important also

is it's not about me. it's about possible western interfering listening to domestic affairs in order to instigate progress within them. they. ready the all brought this within the boundary cannot just be created by the despite it's only bonded. ready straight by the west. ready it's another thing, but the 1st reason is just to do semantic green power. does he want to fight with nato? i hope not. but you know, he put him still in the gauge and where there's no. i think the black house reps, the only instrument he was to try to get himself out considering how you've denounced the war and the lies of the russian government. how worried to

you about your own safety? i. i don't really think about this very much. i believe that now when i leave it in such a dangerous time that we all must think about the safety of more than our individual . ready so that's, that's my, that's my answer. i don't think much about a whole spate of key figures, business men, people in society who may or may not oppose the war have landed up dead recently. many seem to have had an unexpected accident or jumped out of upstairs windows. not a coincidence. is it opperation on the way? isn't there in russia? yeah, it's very suspicious going incidentals. yes. i have no information about that. i think both these cases should be together. but why wouldn't it let me come back to the issue of nuclear weapons because several, west and officials among them,

america's national security advisor say they've spelled out to the kremlin the exact catastrophic consequences of going nuclear. do you think in any way that will deter putin your control business will not well deter us even worse when both sides a whole lot this disease. this by the session, both parties are reasonable and they don't want to die. and they just want to keep your and the male a diversity at the distance. in this case we've done well, it's simulating, but the best one is that he is not quite reasonable. or maybe he is really reasonable. we don't know. so we've done that. he may come to talk to us and

strikes we don't know. so in this case if we deal. ready with a man or that that if it's ok to start, what then deterrence may not work. if russia really intends to use a nuclear weapon, what would be the signs to look out for? do you get any of these signs now? do you see any of them signs that moscow is reading its nuclear arsenal for use? well, they need to know that's difficult to show. a lot of this must. ready read throughs or new dryers. so i believe that the intelligence gathered by the western classes is much more reliable. ready and they say that they have no such science, but i got to read the whole blessed temple that the bible ration. some troops were distributed in all radiation radiation

fields. so something at least they will be ready for nucleus. i don't know, maybe it's just the proper dentist so i don't know the rhetorical russian leadership and a nuclear live in my own way, february 24th. so if we judge by rhetoric, you can say that they were ready to. ready new tribes this the beginning of the war, but it's not so evident. so whether they will be ready to start the new offering. that's. that's a big question. that's it appears that some of the fail safe mechanisms designed to prevent nuclear war have in pop, been eroded. i'm talking about direct communications between senior russian and american military leaders. these appeared to have stopped how dangerous is that

it is very dangerous because those general, those communication channels very useful, see the current be in boxes and they did it aloud to the key military commanders to talk directly. ready each other's degrees in their wraps and it war but the, the current situation when both sides do not trust the child so to speak, the channels me, i'm just working so under those circumstances, how easy would it be for one side to miss read the signals of the other and launch a war on a false understanding of the facts is very probable, very probable, rational. i'm very, very nervous about any possible science. i don't know, attacks or any other interference on the western united states into the brain on

war. so they can, i don't know what, what, what the read last are, but what they are some read was. so they can be very well, is we always assume the rational leadership hasn't been very inadequate. cindy, so it's very hard to say how they. ready perceive the information they get from the front line from the native classes so they can decide something something very imaginable without real real reasons for that. so the reason. ready i mean, so what you're saying is that this could all get out of hand very quickly. i would say that if john get out of and, but also the rest scenario, that is, well,

i think it is up to the native countries do not. so i don't know one for them to to start. so maybe maintain wanted to do was rationally it around maybe a 2nd or 3rd ashland rush hour to, to present them that which is the only auditable at the end of the normalization of relations. the gallons which must be gone with his blows, blows, policies, and then the situation may be like 1st that i think that may may go to those people. ready to, to rally with the current vital to try and keep as many communications open as possible communication chance. sure. maybe not. maybe he shouldn't be isolated from he's the supporters that the workers lead the rushman. i leave it. ready but he spun that off. thank you very much for being on conflict. it's good to

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