i come to take talk with hackers and paralyzing your societies computers and governments that go crazy for your data. we explain how these technologies work, how they can for but how they can also go terribly, watch it now. i'm new to sham referendums in the occupied regions of ukraine and more russian troops are drafted into battle. but the protests are increasing across the country. i guess this week had his own unique protest, very spun, very all foreign service veteran resigned in shame of the war and ukraine, the only russian government official to do so in public. what are the chances of

putin surviving the conflict? he started a, in these elect my l breath. it's the only instrument to try to get some filled out as the war goes on. how real is the nuclear threat and why the russian officials believe the west wouldn't retaliate against the nuclear strike from moscow. ah, but it's been very off. welcome to conflicts own hello team. before we talk about your personal story, i'd like to deal with some of the latest events going on in the russia ukraine war . let's start with the so called referendums, taking place in 4 ukrainian regions occupied by russian troops asking people if they want to join russia itself. since no one is going to believe the result. why bother with this? i think it's like going to come to convince people within the rush it

is all right. ready those people in today's new created republics are really enjoying my russian. so it's giving government no reason to, to continue the world nodded to the fact that people are song region and so on. so it's do more domestic relations. and you think the domestic population is that gullible, that they're going to believe it. they know by now that russia doesn't hold elections unless it fixes them in advance of it. well, you know, the rest of ablation, which is the main problem is it has been so far, very different. what's going on? oh, science. so just so it's only these days. some of them are starting to understand

that the war is much closer than it was then they thought it was so yeah. ready examines it's still believing that they can't sell any anything to bit things 3. even now we've seen in the last few days after chaos over the partial mobilization, which put in ordered. the kremlin says it's drafting $300000.00 troops to ukraine. other reports say around a 1000000, how much difference do you think these extra tubes will make because the failure so far haven't been caused by troops shortages have they, they've been caused by low morale, poor logistics weapons that haven't worked poor command structures. that's been the problem, hasn't it? yeah, i guess so, and i believe that these new numbers do a new the com all at once to the front line. they will not change the course, or they will only make it more slow for russia to, to,

to the war. because the army that had been so far very incompetent in terms of stress, in terms of military planning, in terms of implementing the ration and so, so, so, so for now the main superiority i say, so all the russian army in comparison to the brain was. ready the numbers, the numbers, so i think they can only find the numbers. one of your most powerful criticisms of the russian government that you served is that it's part of a system that deceives itself. is that the military problem as well, it's been deceiving itself about its capabilities about its weapons, the state of its preparedness, this kind of thing. yeah, sure, sure, this is absolutely, all branches of,

rather than it is all build on these lies on cells. so cells competing records and so on, so we can see it by the database. the 1st place it's above us that he missed his own brain. and the ability to bring in our direction of the west was all great, mystical ation based on the information you received from you to support a 1000000000 service from means of defense and so on. but do russian officials even know where the truth really lives anymore? well, it's hard to say that because i think the very low level people who work really in the field, so they know the truth. but while they're being reported to it, it's in many ways. so it's no surprise the decision makers on the

chain. they sell the information which is not true. which reality for over 20 years that you worked in the foreign ministry. you said the level of lies and unprofessionalism was increasing all the time. is that what was demanded by the bosses just tell the gram then what they want to hear. that's it. yeah. yeah, because if you reported to moscow. ready the resignation is not always. ready favorable to us, they might make things that you don't work well enough and it will. ready make your career prospects less right then you. ready expect so everybody wants to breeze now school to show that they are working very hard and then you've got to re promotions . and also that, that you believe that you said in may that you had recently seen misleading

information cable to moscow because that's what they wanted to hear. what was that information most that it was the, the russia, russian interest, the russian positions regarding the world is very widely shared by many countries. but the russia isolated the western. ready walls and everybody understands the death balls, for instance. it also goes to the chemical, scandalous about these boys and boys, for instance, and some other things. so it is, you know, these reports being when you, when you have to report truth, but you have to and you guys and so nobody on this down for to do that. it's kind of see what that this is really bad. thank you. you're very scathing about the

foreign minister said a lover off, did you expect better from him? you say he said to mize the degradation of the system? well, well, he came in and done a lot of illusion where we are unable to what we see now. another symbol of this system we should now deny the reality so i don't expect anything from anything wrong with the guidelines for them and i think that it will. ready all see collapses when it collapse. yeah. i base based on what all the lives that they've told they suddenly realize, but nothing is true that everything's going wrong. and it's too late to do anything about it. is that, is that the scenario that you foresee?

i believe that it is all depends on the war and it's out on. but i don't see russia achieve the real story of this. it can be used on the woodson countries star, sublime and you bring it all the way around as well. so i'll just be doing the way in all other scenarios, you will have to retreat. you will have to bet down. that will be very hard because it's been in the run up to the invasion when rushing diplomats all over the. busy world, we're ridiculing the idea of war. did you know the putin was going to invade the u . s. knew about it last autumn and said, so did, did you know, did people in your embassy? no, this was going to happen. no. well it was the information of the decision was not disclosed. ready almost anyone. so it was only personal

guessing whether you will decide to anybody or not. i personally didn't believe because i would foreseeable the consequences that they would do. ready house i was pretty sure that my school also has this knowledge that is understanding, but evidently they didn't. evidently, they missed quickly. as i said, how moscow lied to its own embassies as well as to everyone else. oh, well, i. ready would say. ready like they just don't tell anything that they don't want to tell and they the embassy just. ready thing that you said what disturbed you most in the russian embassy was the casual way. some of your fellow diplomats talked about nuclear strikes against the west, even though they worked in control. did they have no idea how these nuclear strikes

that they were talking about? might lead to world war 3 or the consequences of that you know, these very dangerous being is that the whole. ready thing about this stuff to do with you. ready to, to make numerous rice against the west. again, the 1st place those people are sure that there will be knowledge of age that the west will just swallows. and just to the knees. and let's say let's again, ok, we're ok let's, let's make it really believe that what, what makes them believe that i think it's a very old and con, break. it is regarding the western, it's irrational that the west, some people are very weak and where it pamphlets because they are very used to comfortable that you know, and that they're not ready to sacrifice like for the war because every war makes it

makes, it makes it people's life and we, we known to all the world, we can stop up or as long as it takes. well, it's not the worst, but it and the people who me big items, they also show this is view. at one point you asked your former colleagues if they'd be happy for their children to live in radioactive ruins, and they simply reply, this is about values traditional russian values as opposed to those of the decadent west. so in their minds it's ok to blow the west if the west doesn't share these wonderful russian values because it's all these talk about imaginary because no one can really imagine what will be what that. ready will be and they just tried to make themselves more confident about that,

but i believe that some decisions can be made on these are ross and fortunes. in the last few days, we've heard more threats from mister, put in more unrest across russia itself. some common trees have suggested that amid all this chaos putins power is beginning to drain away, do you by that scenario. i think that this is aisha ranch in the you k because reading but the last reserves weapon mailed it to me from the views. so we have a rest in the, in the, in the region, the country. yes, that's all i could do that. those unrest model will be the rising

coming days. how long can you make as many mistakes and choke up as many failures as he has and remain in par these days in russia? it's hard to say it's hard to say, i think the fate of the regime is strongly dependent on the bill already described. but if we did make the blog of the russian army, the russians aren't even with the in the supporters. so he will continue and i will. ready continue getting or defeats by an army that will derail. it'll be station to korea might be. so i guess my question is more about the, the hotline political and security elite in moscow. they're not exactly known for

having a forgiving nature. how much of this, how much more of this will they put up with, do you think, i mean, we've got a long list of failures. we have the failure to take care of the failure to arrest the landscape. the failure to hold on to territory that they've captured high casualties. hardware that doesn't work, poor morale, you have to put in has to be running out of political capital at home. doesn't do well. well, because we cannot judge because we don't have any information. it's a very close but there's no doubt that. ready the russian that leads us please now, and a lot of them want to to change the john paul. but i think the also now the most powerful figures around him which all armed forces, special services, they still stick into him for some reasons. maybe they do believe that can resolve

a situation like he was general, were loyal to human, to the very 1st. so all they can cannot, nothing like a nation to think about the future without themselves without power. so it's very difficult to break in, but it's, it's natural that there will be most believes and we will, i think we will see it by nea. if you strip away over the lies the accusations, the propaganda do you and your mind have a clear idea why putin started this war? yeah, she started this. ready war because he wants to stay in power once you're struggling for lifetime. and since he cannot sell in order to get any economic success because economy is shrinking, if it's going to start with team the in the daily life,

most people. ready in russia, as the teacher or 8 instead, he can only sell some military successes. that's why he wanted to read because it is all right. life look, great russian ruler who defends russian interest. and so that would work for some years like to work with bringing and he just wanted to repeat this, bring me an excess. so the idea that he felt threatened by nato, and he thought nato countries were trying to, in circle russia. although how you in circle a country that has 11 times ends and is 10 percent or 11 percent of the world land mass, it's difficult to imagine, but all that's nonsense. all that was nonsense. was it? that may be a 2nd thing he was thinking about, but i think the interest over securing his personal power the most important also

it's not about me. it's about possible western interference to domestic affairs in order to instigate progress within them. they feel that all brought this within the country cannot just be created by the despite it's only because bonded. ready rated by the west. ready it's another b, but the 1st reason is just to do semantic, to great power. does he want to fight with nato? i hope not. but you know, he put him still in the work because no, i think these black, my own house reps in the only instrument humane was to try to get some fill out considering how you've denounced the war and the lies of the russian government. how worried to you about your own safety?

i. i don't really think about this very much. i believe that now when i leave it in such a dangerous time that we all must think about the safety of more than our individual . ready so that's, that's my, that's my answer. well, i know, i don't think much about a whole spate of key figures, business men, people in society who may or may not have opposed the war have landed up dead recently. many seem to have had an unexpected accidents or jumped out of upstairs windows. not a coincidence. is it opperation on the way? isn't there in russia? yeah, it's very suspicious incidentals. yes. i have no information about that. i think both these cases should be together. but why wouldn't it let me come back to the

issue of nuclear weapons because several, west and officials among them, america's national security advisor say they've spelled out to the kremlin the exact catastrophic consequences of going nuclear. do you think in any way that will deter putin your control business will not well deter us even worse when both sides a whole lot to this by the session, both parties are reasonable and they don't want to die. and they just want to to keep your and the male diversity at the distance. in this case we've done well, it's simulating, but that's what is it, he is not quite reasonable or maybe is really reasonable. we don't know. so we've done that. he may come to to,

to stop it strikes we don't know. so in this case if we deal. ready with a man or that that if it's ok to start, what intelligence gathered by the western conscious is much more reliable. and they say that they detect no such science. but i got to read the whole blessed temple that the bible ration. some troops were distributed in all radiation radiation fields, so something, at least they will be in red in one place. i don't know, maybe just the proper dentist. so i don't know the rhetorical russian leadership is and a nuclear weapon. my open legs and federal attention for so if we judge by rhetoric, you can say that they were ready to. ready new tribes since the beginning of the

war, but it's not so evident. so whether they. ready will be ready to start the offering that's. that's a big question. as it appears that some of the fail safe mechanisms designed to prevent nuclear war have in part, been eroded. i'm talking about direct communications between senior russian and american military leaders. these appear to have stopped how dangerous is that it is. it is very dangerous because those generally, those communication channels very useful in the caribbean process. it gets, it allows to the key military commanders to talk directly with each others that degrees in the village. ringback and it was at the current situation when. ready both sides, i do not trust the child,

so to speak. the channels me, i'm just working. so under those circumstances, how easy would it be for one side to miss read the signals of the other and launch a war on a false understanding of the facts. is very, very probable. right? i'm very, very nervous about any possible science. i don't know, attacks or any other interference from the west office into the brain war. so they can, i don't know what, what the, what the read last are, what's, what they are some read life. so they can be very well, is we always assume the rational leadership hasn't been very inadequate. cindy, so it's very hard to say how. ready perceive the information they get from the

front line from the native classes so they can decide something or something very imaginable without real real reasons for that. so the reason i missed the. ready missed interpretation, misunderstanding. so what you're saying is that this could all get out of hand very quickly. i would say that if john get out of and, but also the rest scenarios that is, well i think it up to the native countries do not. so i don't know one for them to to start to maybe maintain, wanted to do it, but rationally it around maybe in. ready seconds, so ashland brushed power to to present them that which is the only obstacle at the end of the normalization of relations. the gallons which must be gone with his blows both boxes and then the situation may be like reversed

that i think that may may go to those people. ready to, to rally within the text vital to try and keep as many communications open as possible communication channel. sure. maybe not. maybe it shouldn't be isolated from his supporters that the workers lead the rushman. i leave. it's. ready work but he spun that off. thank you very much for being on conflict. so it's good to see. i came to ah

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