ideas to grow. we're bringing environmental conservation to life with the learning pass like global ideas. we will show you how climate change and environmental conservation is taking shape around the world and how we can all make a difference. knowledge grows through sharing, download it now for for b . sham referendums in the occupied regions of ukraine and more russian troops are drafted into battle. but the protests are increasing across the country. i guess this week had his own unique protest, very spun, very all foreign service veteran resigned in shame of the war and ukraine, the only russian government official to do so in public. what are the chances of putin surviving the conflict? he started, he bought himself investigation where it would edit them in these elect,

the mail press, one to lead instrument to try to get himself out as the war goes on, how real is the nuclear threat? and why do russian officials believe the west wouldn't retaliate against the nuclear strike from moscow? ah, but it's been very off. welcome to conflicts own hello team. before we talk about your personal story, i'd like to deal with some of the latest events going on in the russia ukraine war . let's start with the so called referendums, taking place in 4 ukrainian regions occupied by russian troops. asking people if they want to join russia itself, since no one is going to believe the result. why bother with this? i think it's like the mystic consumption people within the rush. it is all right. and those people in these new creat republics are really wishing to

join my russian. so it's given that the government will do no reason to, to continue the world not to give the people and basel region and so on. so it's do more domestic relations. and you think the domestic population is that gullible, that they're going to believe it. they know by now that russia doesn't hold elections unless it fixes them in advance of it. well, you know, the rest of ablation, which is the main problem is, has been so far, very different. what's going on. oh, science, so to speak. so it's only these days. some of them are starting to understand that the war is much closer than it was then they thought it was so yeah. ready

regardless, it's still believing that they can't sell any anything to bit things 3 people. even now we've seen in the last few days after chaos over the partial mobilization, which put in ordered. the kremlin says it's drafting $300000.00 troops to ukraine. other reports say around a 1000000, how much difference do you think these extra troops will make because the failure so far haven't been caused by troops shortages have they, they've been caused by low morale, poor logistics weapons that haven't worked poor command structures. that's been the problem, hasn't it? yeah, i guess so. i believe that these new numbers do a new the com, all at once to the front line. they will not change the course, or they will only make it more slow for russia to, to, to the war because the army that had been being so far

very incompetent in terms of stress, in terms of military planning. so implementing the ration and so it's sort of so so for now the main superiority by say, so oh, the russian army in comparison to the brand was. ready the numbers, the numbers, so i think they can only find the numbers. one of your most powerful criticisms of the russian government that you served is that it's part of a system that deceives itself. is that the military's problem as well. it's been deceiving itself about its capabilities, about its weapons, the state of its preparedness, this kind of thing. yeah, sure, sure, this is absolutely common, all branches or rather than it is all build on these lies cells. so cells competing rewards and so on. so we're going to see it by the database.

the 1st place, it's just that he missed his own brain and the ability to bring in our reaction, louis was all great, mystical ation based on misinformation you received from me to support a 1000000000 service from means of defense and so on. but do russian officials even know where the truth really lies any more? well, it's hard to say that because i think the very low level people who work really in the field so to speak to. ready you know the truth, but while they're being reported prior to it, it's in many ways. so it's no surprise that the decision makers on the chain. they sell the information which is not true. which reality for

over 20 years that you worked in the foreign ministry. you said the level of lies and unprofessionalism was increasing all the time. is that what was demanded by the bosses? just tell the gramm then what they want to hear. that's it. yeah. yeah, because if you report to my school. ready the situation is not always favorable to us, they might make things that you don't work well enough and it will. ready make your career prospects less right then you would expect. so everybody wants to please moscow to show that they are and then you've got some theory promotions. and also that, that you believe in the, you said in may that you had recently seen misleading information cable to moscow because that's what they wanted to hear. what was that information

most that it was the, the russia, russian interest, russian positions regarding the world is that the russia isolated that the western. ready physicians walls and everybody on this down the walls for instance. it also goes to the chemical, scandalous about this poison on the land boys and. ready for instance, and some other things. so it is, you know, these reports being run. you don't have to report the truth, but you have to you guys and so nobody understands pleasantries. it's a kind of see what that this is a really bad art. you're, you're very scathing about the foreign minister. said a lover off, did you expect better from him? you say he said to mize the degradation of the system?

well, well he came in and done a lot of louis where we have multiple minister to what we see now another symbol of this system which is now denying the reality. so i don't expect anything from team anything from the big our i'm here to for them. and i think that it will. ready see the collapse of this when it collapse. yeah. but i base based on what all the lives that they've told they suddenly realized that nothing is true, that everything's going wrong. and it's too late to do anything about it is that, is that the scenario that you foresee? i will do that. that is all. but it depends on the war and, but i don't see russia real serious.

it can be used only even worse than cancerous star, sublime and you bring it all the way around as well. so i'll just be doing it in all other scenarios. you will have to retreat, you will have to go down and down. it will be very, very hard below in the run up to the invasion when russian diplomats all over the world were ridiculing the idea of war. did you know the putin was going to invade the us knew about it last autumn and said, so did, did you know, did people in your embassy? no, this was going to happen. no. well, it was. the information of the decision was not disclosed to. ready almost anyone. so it was only personal guessing whether you will decide to wait or not. i personally didn't believe because i would foresee the consequences that they

would do. ready with the house, i was pretty sure that must go also has this knowledge that it's understanding, but evidently they didn't. evidently they believe that they were, as i said, how moscow lied to its own embassies as well as to everyone else. oh, well yeah. i wouldn't say. ready like they just don't tell anything that they don't want to tell. and they the embassy just saying that you said what disturbed you most in the russian embassy was the casual way. some of your fellow diplomats talked about nuclear strikes against the west, even though they worked in control. did they have no idea how these nuclear strikes that they were talking about might lead to world war 3? or the consequences of that? you know, these very dangerous thing is that there was april or boasting

about this stuff to do it. you. ready to, to make an uber strikes against the west. again, the 1st place people are sure that there will be no or to the west will just swallows. and just at the knees. and let's say let's again, ok, we're here. ok, let's, let's make a really believe that what, what makes them believe that i think it's a very old and on break. it is regarding the western, it's irrational that there were, some people are very weak and where it pamphlets because they're very used to comparable that you know, and that they're ready to sacrifice like the war because every war makes it makes, it makes it people's life and we were known to

all the world that we can stop up or as long as it takes. well, it's not the prejudice, of course, but it and the people who meet big systems, they also share this with you. at one point you asked your former colleagues if they'd be happy for their children to live in radioactive ruins, and they simply reply, this is about values traditional russian values as opposed to those of the decadent west. so in their minds it's ok to blow up the west if the west doesn't share these wonderful russian values because it's all these talk about imagined because no one can really imagine what will be what that what will be. and they just tried to make themselves more confident about that, but i believe that some decisions can be made on these are ross and fortunes. in the last few days, we've heard more threats from mister,

put in more unrest across russia itself. some common treason suggested that amid all this chaos putins power is beginning to drain away, do you by that scenario. i think that this is asia ranch and other k green, but this is the last resort and you mailed it to me. so i rest in the, in the, in the regency for 3 years. that's all i got to do the rest and to remodel will be the rising coming days. how long can you make as many mistakes and joke up as many failures as he has and remain in par these days in russia?

it's hard to say it's hard to say, i think the fatal regime is very strongly dependent on. ready that the heart of offensive successful give me a blow of the russian arm. the russians are even with the in the supporters. so he. ready will continue and i will. ready continue getting or defeats by an army that will rail, it'll be career might be i guess my question is more about the, the hard line, political and security elite in moscow. they're not exactly known for having a forgiving nature. how much of this, how much more of this will they put up with, do you think, i mean, we've got a long list of failures. we have the failure to take care of the failure to arrest

the landscape. the failure to hold on to the territory that they've captured high casualties. hardware that doesn't work, poor morale has to putin has to be running out of political capital at home. doesn't do well. well, because we cannot judge because we don't have any information. it's very close but there's no doubt that. ready the russian that leads us please now, and a lot of them want to to change the john paul. but i think the for now the most powerful figures around which all armed forces, special services deal, stick into even for some reasons. maybe they don't believe that can resolve the situation, like people generally were loyal to human, to the very 1st. so all they can not make

a nation to think about the future without themselves without power. so it's very difficult to break it, but it's, it's natural that there will be most believes and we will, i think we will see it by nea. if you strip away over the lies the accusations, the propaganda. do you and your mind have a clear idea why putin started this war? yeah, she started this war because he wants to stay in power to what you're struggling for lifetime. and since he cannot sell in his book relation, any success. ready economy is shrinking, if it seems to start with team the end of the daily life, most people in russia has the deteriorating deadly. he can only sell some military

successes. that's why he wanted to read because it, it was all right, like all of the race route in the room. so defense rush and interest. and so that would work for some years like to work with brain and he just wanted to repeat this, bring me an exercise. so this idea that he felt threatened by nato, and he thought nato countries were trying to, in circle russia. although how you in circle a country that has 11 times ends and is 10 percent or 11 percent of the world land mass, it's difficult to imagine, but all that's nonsense. all that was nonsense. was it? that may be a 2nd thing it was thinking about, but i think you the interest over securing the person of power. the most important looking also this is it's not about me. it's about possible western interference to domestic affairs in order to instigate progress within

a few places. they feel that all. ringback this within the country cannot just be created by the people that they said despite it's only it's only arbitrated by the west. ready it's another thing, but the 1st reason is just you do do semantics to great power. does he want to fight with nato? i hope not, but you know, he put himself in the worst because no, i think these black, my own house read the only instrument he was to try to get some still out considering how you've denounced the war and the lies of the russian government. how worried to you about your own safety? i mean, i don't really think about this very much. i believe that now when i leave it in

such a dangerous time, that we all must think about the safety of more than our individual. ready so that's, that's my, that's my answer. well, i know, i don't think much about the whole space of key figures, business men, people in society who may or may not oppose the war have landed up dead recently. many seem to have had an expected accident or jump out of upstairs windows. not a coincidence. is it opperation on the way? isn't there in russia? yeah, it's very suspicious incidentals. yes, i have no information about that. i think both these cases should be together. but why wouldn't it let me come back to the issue of nuclear weapons because several, west and officials among them, america's national security advisor say they've spelled out to the kremlin the exact catastrophic consequences of going nuclear. do you think in any way that will

deter putin your control business will not well deter us even worse when both sides a whole lot to this by the session, both parties are reasonable and they don't want to die. and they just want to to keep your diversity at the distance in this case. well, it's simulating, but that's what is it, he is not quite reasonable, or maybe he is really reasonable. we don't know. so we've done that. he may come off to talk to donaldson strikes we don't know. so in this case if we deal. ready with a man or that if it's okay to start,

what then determines may not work. if russia really intends to use a nuclear weapon, what would be the signs to look out for? do you get any of these signs now? do you see any of them signs that moscow is reading its nuclear arsenal for use? well, i'm not. they need to know that's difficult details which would show a lot of the most really. ready reading it's troops or writers. so i believe that the intelligence gathered by the western classes is much more reliable and they went out in the depth. no such science. but i got to read the whole blessed tempered by the rush and some troops were distributed. all radiation radiation deals so something, at least they were being read it. i don't know,

maybe just the propagandist so i don't know the rhetorical russian leadership and a nuclear webmail way, february 24th. so if we judge by rhetoric, you can say that they would read into. ready new bus drives. ready the beginning of the war, but it's not sol, evidence. so whether they. ready will be ready to start and that's, that's a big question. that's it appears that some of the fail safe mechanisms designed to prevent nuclear war have in part, been eroded. i'm talking about direct communications between senior russian and american military leaders. these appear to have stopped how dangerous is that it is very dangerous because those generally those communication channels very useful in the caribbean process. it allows us to the key military commanders

to talk directly with each others that degrees in the. ringback world, but the current situation when both sides do not trust the child, so to speak, the channels me, i'm just working so under those circumstances, how easy would it be for one side to miss read the signals of the other and launch a war on a false understanding of the facts is very probable, very probable. rational, i'm sure is very, very nervous about any possible science. i don't know, attacks or any other interference from the western united states into the brain war . so they can, i don't know what, what, what they read last,

what was that they are some read life. so they can be very well, is we always assume the rational leadership has been very inadequate. cindy, so it's very hard to say how. ready they perceive the information they get from the front line from the naval classes so they can decide something, something in the, in imaginable without real real reasons for that. the reason. ready so what you're saying is that this could all get out of hand very quickly. i would say that if john get out of and but also the rest of that is, well, i think it is up to the native countries do not. so i don't know someone from them to, to styles, so maybe maintain wanted to do is it rationally it around maybe in

a 2nd or so an esl and rush hour to, to present them, which is the only obstacle at the end of the normalization of relations the gallons, which must be gone with his blows blows boxes and then the situation may be like 1st that i think that may may go to those people. ready to, to rally with the and the tech vital to try and keep as many communications open as possible communication. yep, yep, sure. maybe not with him. so maybe he shouldn't be isolated from he's the reports that the work lead the russian i lead. it's a very but he spun that you're off. thank you very much for being on conflict. so it's good to see if i came to ah.

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