in the struggle for justice, taxes the right to levy taxes in the obligation to pay them both inherent in the sovereignty of nation states and their citizens. but what happens when the power of taxation is undermined? ah, you won't pay check session. oh ticks. are 2 twin 1st on the w. hello and a very warm welcome to yet in a day addition of the 77 percent, the show where we discuss issues of importance to you. africa's youth. my name is george o. catchy and i'm your host for today. well this week we want to have a conversation around teenage pregnancy and early marriage and coming up with me to

be bought a dance always using ought to be much respect for walking women. we talked to teenage moms about whole pregnancy changed their lives and would meet a young median woman lewis have charged marriage. now we've got a few emotionally tough topics to tackle in today's show, but we'll start by meeting a 1000000 dancer, b butter ibrahim, my, you guys, she is a bummer, called best artist, using artistic expressions to speak out against gender inequality. this outstanding dancer has tom ta footprints internationally, but all mean bama co. she has intensified the call for respect to women. i

my name is ibrahim my again, therefore i am an artist. dancer performa create an interpreter directory. i am currently with fossil down the theater run by me. the body is in her element. she's performing her solo on the streets of her hometown, bummer coke in it. she dramatize as women struggle for recognition and he bought dominion, where minis come, he knew many dresses and look around in them. all of that doesn't mean him a whole it doesn't mean that i'm for sale. and she go, or that i'm closing myself was to pick you up. no, no. if i have principle, you have to prove that i respect you for that it makes one self and that makes

people respect me. the one in her performance be better uses her skill as a dancer to fight against the assignment of traditional female roles. i do. it's about a woman who is looking to get and is told chef shift you too beautiful for me to throw a bell. you don't need to walk to the mighty you or be my girlfriend or my mistress, and i'll take care of you on this one and i'll put you in a nice house and take care of you get a good wide. the boss has had similar experiences patronized for simply being a woman being taken for granted in her work. you did. there were times when i was just carry. i wanted to give up if i wanted to drop everything they say to me, but then something in me that doesn't want to give up on the age. second. i know

that one day things will be better. carl is left and when women finally climb higher and higher, i hope the men won't be resentful or just because it does create a bit of jealousy. that's all that's good, but that's not such a big deal. our normal, normal molly and society is still very much dominated by men, and there's a long way to go to reach equality. but just changing. and i think that as time goes by, things will change. and those who don't understand that they'll be the ones who i ah, suddenly change may be uncomfortable for some, but as be butter says, if you don't understand the importance of equality,

you may be soon be the one to suffer for it. well, speaking changes in life, let's talk about teenage pregnancies and unprotected sex is the reason why young girls may find themselves unexpectedly pregnant. but there are numerous underlying reasons for these and it is to money. and our street debate tomb headed to windows in namibia to find out more hello and welcome to another episode of the 7 to 7 percent this week we are in fin took in a me be a more specifically in havana, the informal settlement that you see behind me and it's because statistically low income countries are more likely to experience the problem of early pregnancy or teen pregnancy as compared to high income countries. and particularly in this area, you can imagine that it's a serious problem. and that's why we're here and we want to find out, why does this problem exist? what are the consequences and what can we do to put an end to it?

who better to answer these questions for me than some nubians. and we're going to begin with by greece. she's actually looking very scared. right? uh huh. but that's right. so by greece, you're a teen mom. and you made headlines. helena may be a because you actually got pregnant at the age of 14. can you tell me what happened? my parents had like a funeral of my grandmother in the go like back and forth to the village. but then when the found out that i had a quick friend, it's when these that it asking me christians, they did just that having sex in on of it. then i told and it yourself had 6 in i didn't get my period for so long in all of it. what was going through your minds? ok, i am. i was the dosage lead time. where was depressed in i was doing amazed course at school. we're very weak, alto kind of thought about like having abortions in order for it. so the thought crossed your mind, but you locked it against it. how old was your boyfriend at the time? by the way? 21. nathan. 21. so you were a 14 year old dating a 21 year old. but you're back in school now. yeah, i'm,

i'm right. you haven't been able to come back to school. you're working in a touch up at the moment here. so did you have to drop out immediately? you got pregnant or what happened when i went to school until i was 8 months pregnant? and then like my, when i broke at school, your water broken, you ain school. yes. can you talk to me through that experience? i mean, that must have, i can't imagine where you in class where you are in the flu lane. we're updating me out. we like no changing glasses most. did you also have an older boyfriend? yeah, i was having an older boyfriend, he was like 25, but there is and i took all my boyfriend was lake, then needs to sub, but he not all entries, those things. so your parents were not in a position to do this for you. i imagine, yes, but then the guy was even denying when i told him that i'm pregnant until 2, as 8 months, less at them. he except at the child. yeah. because who info at the any. let's come to immaculate who's on this site. she's a senior research fellow. what did the figures say to in his pregnancy is indeed

a serious concern. then ambien government have what we call the a indication monitoring information systems. a significant number of the learners that are not coming back. i actually do to pregnancy, so early in there you can seed around 40 percent 40 placements while learners are not returning to school. wow. okay. i want to speak to where is he west yet? he is. why is the rate of teen pregnancy so high? a lot of kids are being approached by adults or bit maybe bigger boys here. so this is also to get a fresh fruit. well, what do you mean a fresh fruit? fresh fruit is like a limousine. lisa, i'm proud of myself because i've been breaking maybe 15 gills of vigil or something like that. so it's for us, it's a joke or maybe it's a, it's a font think. oh ok. let's hear from frieda. what are some of the stories that you've heard from the people you're working with? most girls that usually, um, let me say fall pregnant or the stories that i've met are people from traditional aspects. and traditionally, you're taught to not sort of really refuse when

a men approaches you, because this means older than you are mostly that other person is a perpetrator. it's either a puts you had 6 and, and a child that's raped and i personally feel like their bodies are really not fit at 14, your body's not for to k to term. you should be given the option of know if you want to have an a, but not even if you want to, you should have an abortion, because very much you're young. but isn't it what, what is there the countries constitution say about the legality or illegality of abortions here? only under 3 conditions. if i'm speaking under correction, 4 conditions, yes. contextually under law, abortion is legal. so it, but legal only under verify considered a very distinctive conditions. outside of that it's criminalized, which means that if you do go for becto abortion you will be arrested when you'd be fined $5000.00 or 5. he has imprisonment or both. so i'm guessing, immaculate that given what we've just heard, that the number of unsafe abortions is probably on the rise just as teen pregnancies are. yes we here are stories of women. oh young goes who'd blit them

for themselves almost to death. it is a, it is really our under stories, the issue of finding a way to liberalize abortion in namibia is a matter that needs the urgency of all the attention. okay. that, that, that, that we need to put, i'm curious to hear from simpson, what his views are. we have the ladies there who are saying that abortion should definitely be an option on the table, particularly for serious the young mothers. the church is very clear and is it forbids it. is there no middle ground whatsoever? i don't think we as human beings. ready have the right ah, to take life, we should support the mother in terms of going through this process. okay, frida, you had something to say to me earlier, please go ahead. we may should be given the choice because, um some, some said we should lead women k to tim. but do we actually asked these women? what emotionally? what have you gone through?

came this baby to tell you as an important question, which i want to asked by grace the emotional toll that he takes on you to carry a baby when you're 14 and not really being ready to how was that emotionally what frida was talking about? sometimes i felt like i don't wanna go to school and yell go to church when to be honestly. currently since i gave birth, i did not really go pick to church because i felt like it was like a shame to the people. like yes it maybe look at nina, we're flic ice f seemed or tell me about your life as he gave birth. again, my friends have actually been supportive in the am offered to the hyatt in many. okay, immaculate. obviously not everybody will have the luxury of having their parents get a nanny for them of the ability to even go back to school. so what are some of the long term consequences of teen pregnancies? totaled within the community is total dropout for majority of young girls because they get caught into that system where the pac not just want nothing to do with the

pregnancy. and parents also have a tendency to continue ostracizing them by putting punitive measures on this youngers. so school dropout is really for most girls, the the owner, and i also read that incidentally, people who are teen mothers are more likely to raise children who will themselves become teen paris. so let's now look at the solutions because this is a problem that is faced surely around the globe, but particularly in africa. what do we do so that and in the next 1020 years, we don't have another 1020000 my graces. i personally say list legalized abortion, but if you don't of what a bullshit, it's fine. you could, you don't have to. but give other people the choice to make that work. all right, fantastic, immaculate, very quickly, please. the worst case scenario where pregnancy takes place because of rape or incest, but then they're also cases way where we really need to bring big the joy, the fun, the beauty of sex back into the platform. so that like that,

and along i did this, did my ties bring it back so that the, those youngsters who wants to engage sexually can, can apply their minds and, and know that i know whatever bit is there to to know and i think okay, we're just wrapping up this debate and i want to hear from the 2 ladies here. i would prefer that girls pick contraceptives. yeah, it all can. but sometimes in the, on the recipes out of stock. that's even one thing always is not fe when you go full up. it's not vessel. thank you. i like that. like race. i'm that thing she'd fall pregnant. but if you do in the 4th grade pregnant, it's not the end of the war. hey i, i really like that. that's actually a really positive note to end on. it's not the end of the world if you do become a t mother. but most importantly, going back to what people will see, education is key and making sure that these conversations are happening out in the open as usual. thank you so much for working with and many thanks,

edith. and if you live in a community with similar challenges, what would be your solutions if you want to watch a longer version of the diabetes up for you. and it's on our youtube channel, a d, w, the 77 percent, and a make sure you comment on that. and now we've heard about the 2 young months and their experiences and how about the young duds? and this reminds me personally of 2 friends whom i won't mention their names. now the day these 2 dudes received the news that they had impregnated their girlfriend . i'm telling you the an ease uncertainty and fear was huge. how did they end up? that's a story for another day. for now are gods of mute? reporter sylvia. a jumble. caught up with a tin dud in the robbie. and here is what she learned. a lot has been said about teenage mothers, but there is a forgotten lot deemed as most of these young men i've sent my communities and feel

neglected. my name is sylvia ruby and on god of today we focus on, i'm was his is that taylor been thrown into fatherhood at the end of 17 with us at the high school see touch when he was injured to live in. she was a grid below him. so he used to help her with her homework. their parents were used to sing them together. you know, we are human being, so i had feelings, she had feelings, but nobody has ever told each other that they're in love or not much. it just came inside in like that. i just found myself in her. in a relationship. i almost can't his seat touch such as having sex. and she felt pregnant and i was worried because, you know, she was a school girl, i was a schoolboy. so we were both climbing and it just affected i had location. and what

did you think i did you think of abortion? actually that never came in my mind caused though i have been raised. people do respect life in our community. so it was difficult for me to advise her to our board route and go to the next move as in. what did you do next? okay, since i was afraid because her parents were harsh, it forced me to move from dabilla to another town whereby i had to go for missing for some few weeks. and some days before i came back after the story had been sorted out. but an almost done, she was arrested, it's illegal for children in kenya and get new sexual acts. however, such a filter involving maintenance are often handled differently to those involving adults under a system called conversion. the law usually a place to tunes who engage in consensual sex, that is decided and advised me not to not to drop out of school. and he advised me

to be attending to in their school each and every day. so he called my parent who is my dad, and he told him that he is the one will be responsible for my child and the girl. and that's where i had the freedom to go back to school for the name. but despite that, he's that hasn't offered the support to me did. alice has now been 1st to check on the responsibility of an adult to support his new family. the girl is at the moment out of school and i've already given birth club baby. boy, i'm a sometimes have this much of it to make it this walk. i'm doing it for survival, cause for now i'm on in the bed and boy, and in fact my dad. so i love my family, i love the guy. so i'm supposed to provide for them so i can just see ted, i can just get fitted cause they do depend on me. so i just must wake up in the morning, come for my asshole and do all these for my survival. and because i love them,

and i must provide for the hostility from the baby's mother is still there, but almost sees his cue to men faces in the wind there. well, i find that past me, impressive and good luck to amazon is of family. and we've got a couple of comments on this video in our facebook page and prince a. let me just check on that print. sir james from cumberland sees a great move, a step which even some a mature men can't still handle in our society today. and we have dinner rica, laconia from kennedy says, in my village, i think he must be 19 or 20 years old. we had 6 kids plus him and his wife while dinner rica. that sounds like a lot of responsibility for anybody, let alone somebody that to young. now, in some cases, teenage pregnancy runs hand in hand with ali marriage according to the united

nations. there are currently about 650000000 women and garza around the world who are married before the age of 18. and if things don't change, there will be 170000000 more. gus, married by 2030. now the un wants to eliminate child marriage completely, but it seems so various still going to be a long way to go now in namibia, almost one in 5 gas experiences a child marriage. we went to cover all region in north east and the media where the highest number of child marriages occur and caught up with a young woman who told us a story much. he called a village in north east namibia the places home to heal them. a footer, she was raised by her grandma, along with 6 other children with her family struggling to make ends meet her

grandma arranged for her to be married at just 16 into as much as it was such as of my grandmother. when i came for august. holy natural, my smelled my grandmother say that there's a mental guy who came to me and then asked there which mean in full. i've been way . and my grandmother said the man came and then he asked you, he asked me handing to mary, as they are, why did you allow them into how, why did you allow them to build the house? without hearing from me, hilda married a man 14 years older than herself, but she's far from alone. according to the namibian government, almost 20 percent of girls namibia, a forced into marriage compared with only just of a 4 percent of boys. unsurprisingly, the marriage took a toll on her t life and education lim interest, or have her me. and then he never wanted me to be friends with my friends anymore. and then after school i guess have to be at home and then working for him all the

time. it really felt like it's really difficult for me to do all those things. to me it looked like punishment punishment. but even traditionalists and hilders village are starting to acknowledge and slowly unravel because of schooler. i fades in a good child's marriage even though it's their school. but we can make means that while sees in this school, she can also come for a 5th period initiation. then back to school. so attitudes are changing, but in her marriage filled her with the term and to make her own choices. hello ended to her children with me, and i even saw myself very young to have children education. and they were going to have to go to the clinic and get injured for family planning. madeline that we're

now into the clinic. i had to make sure that he should not know about it. with her husband, frustrated by her inability to get pregnant hilda's marriage became even more strained. the men, nevada stayed there, glen, and denied the way i decided to leave the guy is. he asked forsakes and then i said, no, i'm on my bed. and then they left me, so i really got angry. i bet my things when i moved to my grandmother's house, the ill fated marriage caused hilda to fall behind in her education. but now at 21, she's back on track to finish secondary school. and won't be in bed, and she would that a member of the men bad, bad giving dead jour leanplum that mendoza had barons that sent him to school and never implemented that fence and began somebody because he is better in st. him to school. hilda isn't sure if she wants to get married again or have children,

but one thing's for sure. next time it will be her choice on me. and this story illustrate, so ali marriage can indeed disrupt her childhood. and in my opinion, marriage should actually be a pos, no choice. and on a lighter nor to talking about marriage. her view not is a growing social media craze about wedding dances. it's almost like a competition between couples. about 2 can lay down the best dance routines and well, the dance trend as also he to gund are. so let's see which moves are trending there . it's becoming more and more popular at wedding this days. after the chat ceremony and the vows the bride and groom entertained their guests with choreographed dance moves in uganda, the man behind the dance craze is allan will have what founder of jew. so why to a dance creations? a local town for move your weight when a great and groom wanted attainment at a wedding,

what they would usually do is seek out to hire traditional group or musician, nor an artist. so that is when the idea came to me the, how about can we have more attainment from a brighter room on the entry and then teachers, the couples trending down to move from around the continent. what do that? no. 11. that was a more into what is printing no longer the printing move you have are you know them a piano is a little a young with a young white america with a whole beer. i then only really wanted something klein and enjoyable class. i like music here for the dance lane high

school. so we figured we would join them, you know, from a whole, into our me bridesmaid damn thing. and it brings that balancing would end till it has your wedding, sa, becoming so creative these days. and these seem to be a big business, and that's are up for to day. you can see more for content or join in the conversations. and you know what to do to subscribe to our youtube channel or instagram, comment, or drop us a line via email to 77 at d, w dot com. we are ending this week. sure. we've nigerian artist areas. believe it or not, she is on the 19th. and that is it from me? i'm is the dispatcher. thank you for a

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