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it made me ashamed of my country image mish from england and for the heated to the minds for the jewish community. it's traumatic to see that something like this as possible. again, facilitate us v. the nuclear is conveyed us via christmas or is this really too much for us to bear? does this if we left it hanging and cancel her door, would it completely negate the last 70 years germany has spent confronting it's not super unplugged? i would at least like to ask, is questioned in the document of 15 and to show the perspective of former colonial countries. but increasingly the public debates became focused on exhibits that could be interpreted as anti semitic. ah, the coma does resolution or i'm the document a is ultimately the just a symptom of the increasingly skewed staying to vom media landscape. she flogger m . o. 's will, abortion we're actively seeks out anti semitism all over the place to submit this
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was the activity thought the document or the document was made into a kind of proxy war in which the german public disgust itself and argued about itself and had a document all height ornstein viewed a document showed us a world from a perspective in particular view, formerly colonized countries and their trauma with us in europe as former colonial powers on mine. idle. and it's my impression that we have not adequately seized the opportunity not by a long way for this debate, which has been stifled in the anti semitism debate in the autism. it is more spick water. so how did we get to this point? and how could things escalate so much? ah, what, what i see here is the final debacle in an art exhibition that was dogged by scandal . it's an edited compilation of old pro palestinian films
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so systems tokyo reales film festival is the name of the work by the palestinian collective subversive film. the panel of experts set up after repeated anti semitism accusations called on the screenings to be halted immediately. they said they were anti semitic propaganda. films that should only be shown within a critical framework is clear if a dot on the wall of israel is defined as being a fascist state eyes. and israel is accused of committing genocide against the palestinians that together this is a conflation with national socialism. but perhaps even more dramatic in this film compilation is the extremely one sided representation and the hatred of israel. and also the glorification of terror and violence, ireland, ot glory, concealing from taylor, divide the experts criticized document a 15 as
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a whole. they said those in charge had permitted the creation of an atmosphere that was antique, zionist, anti semitic, and anti israel. the curators of the exhibition the indonesian collective ruin, grouper and many artists responded with an open letter. they said that they felt reprimanded uncensored in this german debate and ultimately thrown under the bus news this very i sent ali stick another italian structured it sort of like install in this whole a conversation. that's what we actually really, really having problem with this dispute had risen to boiling point, and it had become extremely polarized
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the document 15 was intended to stand for something else entirely. the aim was to try out a very different global perspective, one emancipated from capitalist structures, including the art market. the curatorial collective ruined group are promoted the principles of sharing collaboration and sustainability. embracing a snowball principle in which invited guests in turn invited other artists. at least 1500 different artists and groups. but months before the opening, the emphatically egalitarian atmosphere was already being obscured by another topic, problem of finger until the problem started very early on in mid january of it. and so she to, she was a growing wave of criticism that the choice of artists was totally imbalanced so long. i wouldn't like giving them in dallas in, in collectives close to the b, d asked movement toma, which calls for a boycott of israel. and therefore,
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the whole of the is really people were in a clear majority because i'm to is while there was not a single jewish artist from the region couldn't answer, can you edition couldn't slow kind of good slogan all the sucking of their document doesn't jamie, but there are, by the way, jewish artist is taking part and represented in the documentary and israeli artists to but they say they do not want to address the public in this capacity. because they do not want to be co opted by this debate. and for the the day but a stay involved in spring, the central council of the jews in germany became concerned that the exhibition might include anti semitic images and events. it proposed that a panel of experts should look at the works of art prior to the document is opening is get ne human and casino spoof this is not about some test or political convictions finally, but that is not acceptable of it. in particular, where art is concerned and it packaged a concurrence. oh dear,
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it is about ensuring that there is no place for anti semitism directed at israel in the art displayed or in the document as accompanying program at his most kind. i plots, i named off a blog called the castle alliance against anti semitism, was the 1st to voice suspicion that some curators and artists, including the palestinian. yes and holly could be associated with the boy caught divest and sanctions movement. b d s. it's also also alleged the advisory board and selection committee contained anti israeli activists. the blog is renowned for its strident criticism of islam. in january, it accused highly of making anti semitic comments and said the cultural center where his artist group, the question of funding, meat was named after an arab nationalist who supported the nazis. their accusations were counted in some quarters, but suspicions continued to resonate in discussions in german national media.
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when that is affordable for people accepted these accusations without researching that warner without approaching the artist was involved with groom small, let alone ruin groups directly liked by that it ultimately led to positions, probably becoming entrenched on both sides as soon and we'll finish off gordon's arden which for health and accusations and entrenched positions even before the documentary had got under way. then director general repeatedly defended the curator's v as in kind i, b. d. as we do not see any body as influence in this documentary is here and is, and we haven't seen any anti semitic artistic stances or statements in this context up to now context this lung gazande. that some of the curators were strident critics of israel and cigna trees of a letter, a gay apartheid. for example,
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it classified israel as an apartheid regime of the little if a part that is a letter against apartheid is clearly auntie is raina. it's very one side note the only taking the side of the palestinians in the entire conflict in particular who in the conflict of may 2021. these are that is in these railings are seen solias perpetrators. nevertheless, this depiction is still not anti semitism. it is one now a distorted image of the middle east conflict of the curators felt misunderstood victims of prejudice and racial discrimination. they plans to stage a series of discussions on racism as well as anti semitism. but the proposed podium discussions were criticized by the central council of the jews in germany. it's president yoseph schuster wrote to the minister of state for coach a claudia holt saying that concerned jewish figures and the council had been
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excluded. participants began to pull out on the documentary, ultimately canceled the talks. the curators wrote an open letter criticising the collapse of the plans, talks as a break down in the german discourse on anti semitism and racism. but they avoided speaking to the media directly. he could sla, obviously from very early on, the artist felt that they had been put in a corner and did not get the impression that people were really talking or listening to them. and that placed a strain on them in particular because a lot of what was said can also be understood as racist. talk for the oh it's my sisters pushed in con, critics fear that anti semitism was getting a platform on gym and soil. those criticized felt they were the targets of discrimination. their office was plastered with racist slogans. this duration
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escalated, there was a break in at the exhibition rooms of the palestinian group at the car. it was with me it with graffiti activists projected images on 2 exhibition buildings drawing parallels with the nazi era. before the documentary had opened its doors, the climate had become completely toxic. and then the dispute exploded with the 1st glimpses of the exhibition in the series of paintings. cold guernica garza was extremely controversial while from so right as admissible criticism of israeli attacks on garza, for others. it was openly anti semitic to other historically, it is an absolute crime to acquaint the destruction and deny elation of guernica in the country in the plan, deny lation of the entire basque people by franko and hitler, with the problems in the gaza strip. these problem, i think, inadmissible, in terms of history for history, it's a fairly a welcome political propaganda,
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and it is alina's political danica gone to is by mohammed al, how, what tree it combines motifs from old masters with images of war. he's a member of the garza based as he car art group and was invited by the palestinian collective. the question of funding the artist's origin should also be considered when deciding whether the series is anti semitic. according to anti semitism expert man on mentor. the result in concert we should assess and artwork made by palestinian people who live in garza on the very differently than one created elsewhere in the wow. and this of the, of course, even if these work about is very one sided, it very clearly comes from somewhere very specific and visit has noticed that it was created by people who live under occupation or in the case of gaza under can fine men's care in an enduring, complex, our,
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half an art is borne out of this suffering, and this, i'll see the shouts for the tins eeoc once before august else's name and villain. does he good question? is, should we adopt different standards and different countries and different cultures when it comes to antisemitism, madison with us and i have a very clear opinion on that. my mind on anti semitism is something that can be objected by a celtic t. v. about this very divergent assessment of this palestinian series of artworks shows how differently people can think about these issues. the blan demarco gazillion guernica garza on her mother. i think mity zation of mohammed al hawaii audrey's full series guernica garza as i've anti semitic. it was wrong from the outset. good guernica gumaro cantos, 1937 paintings. guernica has become a universal anti war symbol,
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like them harmless sandals, romulus artists, as of use the motif, or paraphrased the paintings without any one contemplating that they could be making a reference to the nazi aaron or drawing a nazi comparison. oh so so, so in is for glazed still better than that just it only happened here in germany's endorsement gusher and it is the result of complete ignorance towards modern art history. ignore hans good, who bore also more down and con scotia. many critics including ones from outside germany, initially reviewed the art which was mainly from the global south in positive terms . there was also interest in an art exhibition that drew on the idea of solidarity and community the art work people's justice was not hung in time for the press preview the document a later said that the arrival of the huge banner in castle had been delay and the
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banner damaged, the organizes said, it could only be displayed once it had been repaired. the image created by the indonesian collective tiring hardy with 2 motifs that can be interpreted as anti semitic, unleashed a huge scandal. to spun on people's justice, just an animosity banner. people's justice is akin to the caricatures and the nazi newspaper dash drama, and pfizer from boston. and it represents jews in a way that we can not have imagined happening in germany. in the year 2022 had been forced out into an action like this could be displayed in the middle of a town marketplace in this way. and i know stotts zone of cust edward and kind of d as a new build. so maybe these picture, you can immediately see 2 anti semitic images unfurnished, and one is a d humanized stereotype of a jewish banker. it's an all and we point it is bloodshot, eyes, animal fangs, and
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a bowler hat with as asked. insignia as, as haulin on the morons of that figure is a demon controlling him. you could say. and in front of that, the depiction of a ma side agent with a picks head and the star of david on a red neck achieve. it has demonic connotations. in indonesian color iconography will go fi every them. when you see it, is it unleashed a wave of indignation, but those responsible didn't respond immediately. in a statement, the documentary director general and the executive board said, all those involved regretted the lines had been crossed and feelings, haute and quote. we also expressly apologized that anti semitic images when not identified before the works hanging and quote, ah, the banner was covered over, but that didn't quell the indignation. a day later, the decision came to take it down, ruin. groupon and the art collective tiring party offered explanations. over the
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following days, they apologized, towering party said they recognized that the imagery had closed, taken on a specific meaning in germany's historical context. we were shock because since the finally by the beginning of our existence, we try our best to to respect all people. we know it was painful there, but we didn't knock is that when we displayed here. so because 1st because it was 20 years ago. second. because there are so many figures in that banners 8 by 12 me. those been odd dark because perhaps
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we we've seen it too too many times. in fact, the 20 year old work created by the collective theme ties the horrors of the su hearty regime that ruled over indonesia for decades. it was responsible for the murders of hundreds of thousands of alleged communists. the dictators who hot i was propped up by western politicians like helmet cole and western intelligence agencies like the cia and germany's foreign intelligence service to be in d dead jamar. oh, so we could have said to towering padi audio code, we are very sorry that we supported this dictatorship back then, which began with dreadful massacres on muscle mode because not with us. that would have been an appropriate response from an equals, after towering potties apology for the picture went and thornton calling party from the diesel fremont b. towering party literally means teeth of the rice plants. the group was formed by
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aunt students in the 19 ninety's in protest against the su hotter regime. as the left wing collective opposed to capitalism and military violence, they were classified as enemies of the state. their banners also featured in the street protests that ultimately ousted su harter in 1998. since then, they have been an established part of indonesia, cultural landscape. clue towering hardy say that very few journalists, all politicians had shown any real interest in that perspective. this is not about what dialog hospital because there wasn't any this now about exchange ideas this,
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this last about understanding is are the difference. it is more about breaking babu that you couldn't even talk about that's what make us even more. st. tiring party said they could no longer recollect to painted which figures back then . people disagreed about whether the ma sad figures constituted an anti semitic stereotype. island is a single one that does all of these figures represent its secret service agents of western providential, sylvania and the mos, i'd figured was only one of them either the phone and that's why i would not now judge it to be anti semitic. it's us anticipate wish i should often valley. indeed, the pig symbolizes something different to tara pardons by telling body and has its
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own significance in indonesia and left wing circle dinner before the hot d. i'm which doesn't have anything to do with our view. austin. all the tradition of depicting jews as pe, weiner who missed super hot here kind of a nice mission on december to so i don't regard this as an anti semitic image and, but as a criticism of intelligence agencies wouldn't prophetic author the cookie, the historical background also justifies this criticism to see if at all the agencies named, including the israeli one were involved at the top of so hard to was very brutal regime hydrogen. the criticism is legitimate to you and i don't regard it as anti semitic as the figure doesn't use any stereotypes in the sense of the boss with the side locks or hooked noses or such. like i just finished, i submitted the central council of the jews in germany by contrast, said the pitches symbolism spoke for itself. yet mangan, all these elementary event here precisely these elements were used ultimately to
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criticize massage and, but apparently at least as with other batches. but it doesn't use the israeli flag for example, but the star of david couldn't log up, so there's a clear reference to juice, and it is a very intentional one. and for the ups is to say, ah, the document 15 had turned into a controversy. the people who had been warning of anti semitism for months, felt vindicated. even before the banners discovery, germany's biggest newspaper had denounced. it is shameful. another major news portal later dubbed it the anti semitic 15. the german chancellor said he would not be attending the pressure on minister of state for culture. claudia hoard was growing castles. mac lucien gazelle ha, and the state of hesse's coach. him minister angela dawn too. but apart from the curator's apology is responsible just traded blame claudia,
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who said she felt deceived, adding that for months she'd been assured that there would be no kind of anti semitism at the document. her disability, nick, everyone has just passed the bogs kite. the supervisory board was not responsible for the city of castle and the state of hair, sir. not responsible di, the people who commissioned the curators not to be seen far and wide, and not responsible for. unfortunately, the quick curators who wanted to adopt an entirely new curatorial concept and not responsible either in the 12, i think that's a problem by a massive exhibition. like this needs, clearly defined responsibilities and also curatorial responsibility, onqua tools for fun, talk to that went wrong. it didn't work unusual thing, it problems, it's all homeowners. crew to the problem is also located in the ministry of state for culture doesn't seem like that has to be addressed. linda smith and even the
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fall warnings people can't just react with surprisingly in the way some people are doing, visits, any of osgood psych, tom love, and allison just ask from the outside. i don't think you can judge who made what mistake and i think that it was good that ruin group. i as the artistic directors took on responsibility for the works of tearing party and that they apologized. jesse, the insured, as tom said, man a to me as aren't going in for fail course, i would have been possible to say in advance on that. yes, we must discuss the issue more clearly with the artisan smarten come. but what i cannot do in advance, and i have always resisted that. i cannot act as a sensor. kiner sings will warn him. that was law constitution guarantees artistic freedom. i said in terms of the works and their impact off kind of there cannot be pre censorship and i cannot install a committee in advance that tells the artist and so that's okay. thumbs up. that's not ok. the thumbs down until the disagreements, continued. man mendel, the head of the anne frank educational center in frankfort,
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1st offered to act as an advisor, but then withdrew that alpha. he said those responsible for the documentary when not willing to address the anti semitism scandal. in response to mendel's decision, the celebrated artist tito shanaiah announced that she would withdraw her video installation. she said that she had lost faith in the management due to their treatment of the anti semitism scandal. she said, the exhibition makers had refused to accept mediation or director general. sabina schulman initially rejected kohls for her to step down a name of mine, of, of gov if i'm exercising my role with all due responsibility. goldberg not before i still believe in document a 15 on, and i also believed that a captain should remain on board in heavy seas as copy to him on board blabbed.
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but the political pressure became overwhelming. in mid july, sabina shall man step down from the helm of the international arctic submission. the cultural manager alexander found host became the interim head. 2 days later the world's biggest art exhibition has revealed to yawning divisions. the document 15 was meant to bring about more understanding to bring the perspective of people from former colonies into focus. instead, they feel as if they have been re colonized while others emphasize that lines have been crossed, that never should have been can we learn something from it, nonetheless, needing some others. we must talk myself included as i look back after time,
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as allows to schools and see it much more as a problem of discourse. the one that shows us a more underlying problem can, namely, it's 5 how to we in germany with german history, though, look at israel and the middle east conflict regional is early missional denalis conflict. the debate to vote against clyde. the debate was clearly instrumental. ised and turned into something that's now being called an updated version of the german historians debate of the 1980s in a chronicle. and ultimately, a contest is being opened up about remembering, remembering the showing and also the completely new demands that germany's colonial history should also be remembered. as i said, this is a very rapidly developing discourse, and that's why it's also highly charged alkaline of eyes up bringing different histories into dialogue with one another. how could that work? what does this documentary mean for future debates? and exhibitions, consequences acting in the butter. the consequence of the current debate should be
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that people once again engage critically with anti semitism in the field of art and culture. sancho 12 among those that people should look at how we can keep art and culture free from antisemitism in the future. and what are the instruments and measures required to ensure that all the mos normandy, the phil father listened, and on to us also of elijah in each fin. them. i find germany as a society, as a state and reliable, and surprisingly democratic, and still not at all extremist, but helped me exclaim, is tish. then when i say this is good and then the next thought stands to reason. i mean, these debates should also function without all this stridency when it isn't gone on it is against. if we have to break that down by saying we are all working together on the same project, to salmon onto some sale, to preserve germany as a moderate non extremist country extend. and we didn't discuss every things come on this foundation boyden couldn't be it us. alice, in where descriptive ah ah,
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