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it made me ashamed of my country. i miss miss from ireland for the heated to the mines for the jewish community. it's traumatic to see that something like this as possible. again to saw it was v, the nuclear est. couldn't let us via christmas, or is this really too much for us to bear? does us, if we left it hanging and cancel her door, would it completely negate the last 70 years germany has spent confronting it's not so par unplugged? i would at least like to ask, is questioned in the document a 15 and to show the perspective of former colonial countries. but increasingly the public debate became focused on exhibits that could be interpreted as anti semitic . ah, the coma does that solution or i'm the document is ultimately the just a symptom of the increasingly skewed staying to bomb media landscaper. she flogger, it was well above all, asian, we're actively seeks out anti semitism all for the places that this was the octaves

off the document or the document was made into a kind of proxy war in which the german public discussed itself and argued about itself. and had a document on site wednesday with a document showed us a quote from the perspective in particular vehicle formerly colonized countries and their trauma with us in europe as former colonial powers on mine. idle. and it's my impression that we have not adequately seized the opportunity, not by a long way for this debate, which has been stifled in the anti semitism debate into autism. it is more suit gotta. so how did we get to this point? and how could things escalate so much? ah, what, what i see here is the final debacle in an art exhibition that was dogged by scandal . it's an edited compilation of old pro palestinian films.

so this is listening to hear reels, film festival is the name of the work by the palestinian collective subversive film . the panel of experts set up after repeated anti semitism accusations cooled on the screenings to be halted immediately. they said they were anti semitic propaganda films that should only be shown within a critical framework easily if a dot on the wall of israel is defined as being of fascist state eyes. and israel is accused of committing genocide against the palestinians that together this is a conflation with national socialism. but perhaps even more dramatic in this film compilation is the extremely one sided representation and the hatred of israel high and also the glorification of terror and violence. ireland ot glory concealed from tale on divide. the experts criticized documentary 15 as

a whole. they said those in charge had permitted the creation of an atmosphere that was anti zionist, anti semitic, and anti israel. the curators of the exhibition the indonesian collective ruin, grouper and many artists responded with an open letter. they said that they felt reprimanded and censored in this german debate and ultimately thrown under the bus news this very i sent ali stick another 30 instructor to set a flight install in this hold a conversation. that's what we actually really, really having problem with this dispute had risen to boiling point, and it had become extremely polarized

the document 15 was intended to stand for something else entirely. the aim was to try out a very different global perspective, one emancipated from capitalist structures, including the alt market the curatorial collective ruined group up promoted the principles of sharing collaboration and sustainability. embracing a snowball principal in which invited guests in tan invited other artists. at least 1500 different artists and groups but mumps before the opening, the emphatically egalitarian atmosphere was already being obscured by another topic . the problem of fig until the problem started very early on in mid january. us even so you said was a growing wave of criticism that the choice of artists was totally imbalanced for law. one blush given to him in dallas in, in collectives close to the b. d asked movement toma which for

a boycott of israel's and therefore the whole of these railey people were in a clear majority. because sometimes while there was not a single jewish artist from the region couldn't answer, can you edition couldn't slow kind of good slogan. all of these hooking of their document doesn't amiably there are, by the way, jewish artist is taking part and represented in the documentary and israeli artists to what they say. they do not want to address the public in this capacity because they do not want to be co opted by this debate. and for you, the de butter stay involved in spring, the central council of the jews in germany became concerned that the exhibition might include anti semitic images and events. it proposed that a panel of experts should look at the works of art prior to the document. his opening escape niche and, and the casino spoof this is not about from test or political convictions upon me, but that is not acceptable of it. in particular, where art is concerned and get bashed, a concurrence avow there. it is about ensuring that there is no place for anti

semitism directed at israel in the art displayed or in the documentary accompanying program at his most kindly la plots. i named off a blog called the castle alliance against anti semitism, was the 1st to voice, suspicion that some curators and artists, including the palestinian. yes and holly could be associated with the boy caught divest and sanctions movement. b d s. it's also also alleged the advisory board and selection committee contained anti israeli activists. the blog is renowned for its strident criticism of islam. in january, it accused highly of making anti semitic comments and said the cultural center where his artist group, the question of funding, meat was named after an arab nationalist who supported the nazis. their accusations were counted in some quarters, but suspect since continued to resonate in discussions in german national media.

when that is a full rule for people accepted these accusations without researching that warner without approaching the art is involved. grinsley, let alone ruin grow fog direct liked by that it ultimately led to positions, probably becoming entrenched on both sides as soon invo furniture of gardens items which for health and accusations and entrenched positions even before the documentary had got under way. the then director general repeatedly defended the curator's v as in kind 9 be d, as we do not see any bd as influence in this documentary is here and is, and we haven't seen any anti semitic artistic stances or statements in this context up to now on text is lung because in that some of the key rate is we're strident critics of israel and cigna trees of a letter against apartheid. for example,

it classified israel as an apartheid regime and the little for part that is a letter against apartheid is clearly anti is re lexical. it's very one side of the only taking the side of the palestinians in the entire conflict. in particular, who in the conflict of may 2021, these are that is in these railings are seen solias perpetrators. nevertheless, this depiction is still not anti semitism. it is for now a distorted image of the middle east conflict of the curators felt misunderstood. victims of prejudice and racial discrimination. they planned to stage a series of discussions on racism as well as anti semitism. but the proposed podium discussions were criticized by the central council of the jews in germany. it's president yosef schuster wrote to the minister of state for coach had claudia hall,

saying that concerned jewish figures and the council had been excluded. participants began to pull out, and the documentary ultimately canceled the talks. the curators wrote an open letter criticizing the collapse of the plans, talks as a breakdown in the german discourse on anti semitism and racism. but they avoid speaking to the media directly. you could be from very early on, the artist found that they had been put in the corner and did not get the impression that people were really talking or listening to them. and that place a strain on them in particular because a lot of what was said can also be understood as racist. says this, christy and con. critics fear that anti semitism was getting a platform on german soil. those criticized felt they were the targets of discrimination. their office was plastered with racist slogans. the situation escalated, there was

a break in the exhibition rooms of the palestinian group at he car. it was with me it with graffiti activists projected images onto exhibition buildings. drawing parallels with the nazi era before the document had opened its doors, the climate had become completely toxic. and then the dispute exploded. with the 1st glimpses of the exhibition in the series of paintings, cold, guernica garza was extremely controversial, while some sort has admissible criticism of israeli attacks on garza, for others, it was openly anti semitic to other historically, it is an absolute crime to acquaint the destruction and denial, lation of guernica in the past country, and the planned and elation of the entire basque people by franko and hitler, with the problems in the gaza strip. these problem i think, in admissible in terms of all history for history a call, it's purely a work of

a little propaganda. let us alina's palate. virg danica garza is by mohammed al, how i tree. it combines motifs from old masters with images of war. he's a member of the garza based as he car art group and was invited by the palestinian collective the question of funding. the artists origins should also be considered when deciding whether the series is anti semitic. according to anti semitism expert may han mental vessel and unconcern we should assassin artwork made by palestinians, guy, people who live in garza and the very differently than one created elsewhere in the wall. and us off the very of course, even if this work of art is very one sided, it very clearly comes from somewhere. very specific, isn't active, and the visitors know this into ika. it was created by people who live under occupation, or in the case of garza under confinement, in an enduring conflicts,

our half an art is born out of this suffering. and this i'll see the show math or the 10s eoc once the progress there's this name and the on to see the question is should we adopt different standards in different countries and different cultures when it comes to anti semitism, madison with us and i have a very clear opinion on that. my, the mind on anti semitism is something that can be objected by a celtic t. v. a bo this very divergent assessment of this palestinian series of artworks shows how differently people can think about these issues. the black demarco dizzily again. a got garza from home on the one. take matea zation of mohammed al, how arteries series guernica garza as i anti semitic. it was wrong from the outset . good guernica game. marley cast, house. 1937 paintings. guernica has become a universal anti war symbol,

like them harmless sandals. all these artists is of use to motif, oh paraphrased the paintings without any one contemplating that they could be making a reference to the nazi iran or drawing a nazi comparison. i was, i was also in is for glide, should still be thought that this is only happened here in germany's endorsement gusher. and it is the result of complete ignorance towards modern art history. go on, scalable. also will down in concentration. many critics, including ones from outside germany, initially reviewed the art which was mainly from the global south in positive terms . there was also interest in an art exhibition that drew on the idea of solidarity and community the artwork, people's justice, was not hung in time for the press preview. the documented later said that the arrival of the huge banner in castle had been delayed and the banner damaged.

the organizers said, it could only be displayed once it had been repaired. the image created by the indonesian collective tiring party with 2 motifs that can be interpreted as anti semitic, unleashed a huge scandal or to spun at people's justice just enough. the banner people's justice is akin to the caricatures and the nazi newspaper dash drama, and pfizer from boston. and it represents jews in a way that we can not have imagined happening in germany. in the year 2022 had been forced out at a connection like this could be displayed in the middle of a ta marketplace in this way. and i know stotts zone august as well, and kind of diesel robertson in the sanctuary. you can immediately see 2 anti semitic images unfurnished, and one is a dehumanized stereotype of a jewish banker. it's or and b point it is bloodshot, eyes, animal fangs, at

a bowler, hat with as asked insignia as a swollen on a miranda that vega is a demon controlling him, you could say. and in front of that, the depiction of a ma side agent with a pix head and the star of david on a red neck achieve. it has demonic connotations. in indonesian color iconography mcguffey ever them one is theaters. it unleashed a wave of indignation. but those responsible didn't respond immediately in a statement to the documented director general and the executive board said all those involved regretted the lines had been crossed and feelings hurt and quote. we also expressly apologized that anti semitic images were not identified before the works hanging and close. aah! the banner was covered over, but that didn't quell the indignation. a day later, the decision came to take it down, ruin. groupon and the artist collective tiring party offered explanations. over the

following days, they apologized. tiring party said they recognized that their imagery had quote, taken on a specific meaning in germany's historical context. we were sorry because since the fighting by the beginning of our existence to try our best to respect all people, we know it was painted there. but we didn't notice that when we displayed here. so because 1st because it was 20 years ago. second. because there are so many figures in that banners it by 12 me. those been her? ah, 3rd me perhaps we we've seen

it 220 times. in fact, the 20 year old work created by the collective theme, a ties the horrors of the su hearty regime that ruled over indonesia for decades. it was responsible for the murders of hundreds of thousands of alleged communists. the dictators who hot, i was propped up by western politicians like helmet cold and western intelligence agencies like the cia and germany's foreign intelligence service, the b and d. that jamar. oh, so we could have said to towering party audio code. we are very sorry that we supported this dictatorship back then, which began with dreadful massacres almost more forgotten, not windows. that would have been an appropriate response from an equals after towering parties. apology for the picture went on toddling party from the diesel. swim a bit. towering party literally means teeth of the rice plant. the group was formed

by aunt students in the 19 ninety's in protest against the su hotter regime. as they left wing collective opposed to capitalism and military violence, they were classified as enemies of the state. their banners also featured in the street protests that ultimately ousted su harter in 1998. since then, they have been an established part of indonesian cultural landscape. clue towering party, say that very few journalists, old politicians had shown any real interest in that perspective. this is not about what dialogue cost at all because there wasn't many this now about exchange ideas. this,

this is last about understanding is are the difference. yeah. it is more about breaking babu that you couldn't even talk about that's what make us even more st tearing party said they could no longer recollect to painted which figures back then people disagreed about whether the ma sad figures constituted an anti semitic stereotype. island is a fig on lepers. all of these figures represent its secret service agents of western providential, lavinia and the ma side figure was only one of them, hired a phone. and that's why i would not now judge it to be anti semitic. it's us anticipate ish, i should often valley even d. the pig symbolizes something different to tiring pardons by telling body and has

its own significance in indonesia and left wing circle. gonna be door to hot deamber which doesn't have anything to do with our view. austin, of the tradition of depicting jews as pe, weiner is nish, super hot here kind of in i was mentioned under cb to slide on, regardless as an anti semitic image. and, but as a criticism of intelligence agencies couldn't prophetic of the, the cookie, the historical background also justifies as criticism to see if at all the agencies named, including the israeli one were involved at the top of so heart. i was very brutal regime hydrogen. the criticism is legitimately and i don't regarded as anti semitic as the figure doesn't use any stereotypes in the sense of the boss with the side locks or hooked noses or such like i just finished up distributing the central council of the jews in germany. by contrast, said the pitch, his symbolism stay for itself. yet mangan, all these are elementar for then here slightly. these elements were used ultimately

to criticize massage, and by them apparently, at least as with other vices. but it doesn't usually israeli flag, for example. it's like a star of david cloud up, so there's a clear reference to jews and it is a very intentional one. and for the upsized machine ah, the document 15 had turned into a controversy. the people who had been warning of anti semitism for months, felt vindicated. even before the banners discovery, germany's biggest newspaper had denounced. it is shameful. another major news portal later dubbed it the anti semitic 15. the german chancellor said he would not be attending the pressure on minister of state for culture. claudio horn was growing castles, mac lucien gazelle ha, and the state of hesse's coach, him minister, anger ladon too. but apart from the curator's apology, those responsible just traded blame claudia. haute said she felt deceived,

adding that for months she'd been assured that there would be no kind of anti semitism. at the document. her sluggishness, everyone has just passed the bogs code. the supervisory board was not responsible for the city of castle and the state of hair, sir. not responsible, di, the people who commissioned the curators not to be seen far and wide, are not responsible for, unfortunately, the curators who wanted to adopt an entirely new territorial concept and not responsible either. 12, i think that's a problem by a massive exhibition. like this needs clearly defined responsibilities and also curatorial responsibility often kula tools refer until to that went wrong. it didn't work consultant problems. it's all home wellness crew to the problem is also located in the ministry of state for contra just once again, that has to be addressed, then estimate,

and even the fall warnings. people can't just react with surprising in the way some people are doing. music gets uneasy of osgood, like tom lavon, allison is thus got from the outside. i don't think you can judge who made what mistake does. i think that it was good that ruin group. i, as the artistic directors took on responsibility for the works of tearing party, and that they apologized. jesse, the insured is tom said, monitor this isn't going in for fail course. i would have been possible to say in advance on that. yes, we must discuss the issue more clearly with the artisan martin come, but what i cannot do in advance, and i have always resisted that. i cannot act as a sensor. kiner sings wolf warn him. that was a law constitution guarantees artistic freedom. i said in terms of the works and their impact off kind of there cannot be pre censorship. i cannot install a committee in advance that tells the artist and so that's okay. thumbs up, that's not okay. the thumbs down until the disagreements continued.

marathon mendel, the head of the and frank educational center in frankfort 1st offered to act as an advisor, but then withdrew that alpha. he said those responsible for the documentary when not willing to address the anti semitism scandal. in response to mendel's decision, the celebrated artist, he toe shanaiah, announced that she would withdraw her video installation. she said that she had lost faith in the management due to their treatment of the anti semitism scandal. she said, the exhibition makers had refused to accept mediation. director general's sabina schulman initially rejected kohls for her to step down a name of mine, of, of gov if i'm exercising my role with all due responsibility global not before. i still believe in document a 15 on, and i also believe that a captain should remain on board in heavy seas as copy to him on board blabbed.

but the political pressure became overwhelming. in mid july, sabina shall man step down from the helm of the international art exhibition. the cultural manager alexander foreign host became the interim head. 2 days later, the world's biggest art exhibition has revealed yawning divisions. the document 15 was meant to bring about more understanding to bring the perspective of people from former colonies into focus. instead, they feel as if they have been re colonized while others emphasize that lines have been crossed, that never should have been can we learn something from it, nonetheless, eating some of us, we must just talk myself included as i look back after time, as allows to schools and see it much more as

a problem of discourse. the one that shows us a more underlying problem can, namely, it's 5 how to we in germany with german history. though, look at israel in the middle east conflict. he still is earliest denials. conflict, the debate to vote against clyde. the debate was clearly instrumental ised and turned into something that's now being called an updated version of the german historians debate of the 19 eighties and a conqueror. and ultimately, a contest is being opened up about remembering, remembering the showing and also the completely new demands that germany's colonial history should also be remembered. as i said, this is a very rapidly developing discourse, and that's why it's also highly charged off the line of eyes up bringing different histories into dialogue with one another. how could that work? what does this documentary mean for future debates and exhibitions? consequence, all stockton, the butter. the consequence of the current debate should be that people once again

engage critically with anti semitism in the field of art and culture and some cool tools among the sets people should look at how we can keep art and culture free from antisemitism in the future. and what are the instruments and measures required to ensure about all the mass normandy, the fil father listened. and on this outside of allies in each fin them, i find germany as a society, as a state and reliable, and surprisingly democratic, and still not at all extremist, but helped me. exclamation tish been when i say this good. and then the next thought stands to reason, i mean these debates should also function without all this stridency when it isn't gone on it is against. if we have to break that down by saying we are all working together on the same project to salmon onto some sale, to preserve germany as a moderate non extremist countries exclaim, and we'll discuss every things carmel on this foundation. borden couldn't beat us alice, in where descriptive ah, ah,

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