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deputy head of the presidential administration. has ukraine back to mr. put him into a corner where he might use his nuclear arsenal. you may not have any habit battlefield instruments to, to withstand it. ukrainian or confident boxes. so i think your grant is taking the seriously and the national community has to take it seriously. for now though, what has changed the fortunes of ukraine's armed forces? i'm, can they keep up the momentum? how do they treat, suspected ukrainian collaborators? and why is the door to piece talks still firmly, shut your job for? welcome to conflict on thank you for having in. your forces have had a spectacular month. 6000 square kilometers, sees back from russia. you've just taken one of their key supply hubs in done yet. can you've broken through in the south in cash sun, how important are these latest successes to you both on the battlefield and

psychologically. wow, thank you for this question. really. it is very important on the battlefield. and if you take the 1st 30 days and months of war 1000000, the world didn't believe that ukraine will not be able to even to withstand the war . and then to have any major success on the territory of my country. but for all this, more than 7 months of the war, we proven to ourselves 1st of all, and then to the world community that we cannot only fight with the russian aggression. we can wish that this russian or we can stop this russian aggression this country. but we can count on it to have counter advances and definitely we will, we will have all our territories back. so that is why it is important that we have this content. bunch of numerous directions. we have very good ones with something hard area, almost all the region of argue, oh bless, is liberated by ukrainian armed forces. really, we have good advanced into doing this camera. remember,

russia wanted to capture all the look, guns kinetic region immediately from the beginning of the open the war because they were trying to capture it from 2014. not any success is happening for them. on to dawn, it's going to look on screen and the same you're right, you know, to solve. i don't care. so, and it's all. so what is our advantage? it's more slowly than the kind of give region, but it's very important. so it's really very important. think for the armed force and really, right, you know, morally more of it's important for our people for each and every ukrainian citizens living in ukraine. we're having to leave you a grain. of course, you know, the time when the worst, but all of us treasures ukrainian people, ukrainian government, ah, you know, helping each, each of us in our own mentor to bring this victory and really what is doing, what is done by the office of ukraine is really at my thought of ukraine, but i think in all the world, mr. jessica, what's brought about this stunning change in your fortunes on the battlefield?

and can you maintain the momentum of 1st of all, once again is to strengthen mastery of food, green armed forces. but secondly, this is due to the equipment, ammunition and weapons, which is coming into more bigger quantities from our western partners up most of the countries or to which we apply to the world to bring us additional handy weaponry, additional activity, additional our tanks and i'm with the it goes additional multi loans, rocket systems. i'm now we're starting to help us. and this is what really shows. and this is what really helps to our success. because, you know, you cannot find only with a, with a, with him, with a gun. you'll fight the more than the war and you made the counter advances with a more than western equipment. yes, we've got some equipment and heritage from the soviet union. but now we proved again to us and to all of the world that you bring in our forces can muster them

order at western nature equipment and we can fight with it and we can win with it. so yes, i think we'll be able to get the momentum. it was very important for us to stop this company must be for the winter time because we'll get as much more easier to make a count of the inventors. judy, the, the, the, the, the, the, the time which is forced to do this in the winter time is it's much easier to fortify, to defend. so that's why i'm forced my, everything possible to, to, again, is momentum and to move forward. how do you expect the kremlin to react to your advances? i'm assuming you don't expect who tend to accept these defeats shrugged his shoulders and walk away. well, i think well, well well he hadn't, hadn't had an absence of success on the battlefield day. you know, if he's a armed forces definite and not the 2nd strongest army into rural se portrayed, he's armed forces. probably he had the bad reports from his generals,

about the strength to cross an armed forces. but as a reaction to the success of your brain in forces, he probably, you know, i had to use this several instruments. one of them will deal with those sham referendums, which he orchestrated on the part of the cranium territory which is now temporarily occupied. so he's trying to now to make an attempt to annexations and not attempt to connect stations the same way he did an intervention. 14. that's why, very important now not to repeat the mistakes of 2014, when the world community international partners of ukraine, that be very honest, overslept the sections which, which in was doing. so really, this is a very good tie. went all international community, react negatively to lease some referenda, and these attempted annexations wasn't their position and different formats at different levels and also helping ukraine to fight the russian aggressor isn't the danger that you push him into a corner and force him to react. he has, after all,

weapon systems that you don't have. i'm talking about nuclear weapons. how do you assess the chance of him using at least battle field nuclear weapons, especially if you keep beating him on the battlefield. hello, this is not the 1st time and during this open war, when she black males, all of us, not only you great, all the world with it, with a nuclear weapon or early with chemical and biological weapons. well, i mean, don't you think i seriously don't you take it seriously? the 3? yes, but take it seriously. we take it seriously. and now because because luca, no he is you may not have any habit battlefield instruments to, to withstand the ukrainian or counter advances. so i think ukraine is taking the seriously and the international community has to take it seriously. after all, we have several nuclear station. the one they have to react. they have to prevent him from doing these. they have to tell him about the diary consequences if he even

dares to, to, to, to, to use it partially on the battlefield or on some are remote areas. the should look, you should not even think about these. so that's my by prison and talking to the world leaders. he asked them ukrainian on nuclear state. we don't have a nuclear are weapons. you remember we, we, we are given a way to start in 1094 when our own good will. so that's why we need the protection of the rest of the nuclear powers to protect all the world. literally, you carry out on the euro, all the world from using the say, nuclear weapon. according to some newspapers, nato is said to have warned its members that russia maybe about to stage a nuclear test or some other nuclear demonstration as a warning to ukraine and the west. do you give any credence to these reports or will deliver to all the credible information to reach our partners?

western partners are provided to us and definitely they inform you about this. well, definitely, i think our security forces and indulgence forces have to be in contact with irrelevant, but doesn't have to have this information. a defense analyst in poland is reported that a train operated by russia nuclear division was bound for ukraine. have you received such reports? well again, i saw the news in the press, i don't necessarily, i have these official report and adopting that. something which is linked to the press is a really information. but again, we also take a seriously. and if you had had such a report, would you tell me that would? probably this is not the information i should sell to the press. all right, your president has promised you will liberate all the territory that russia has seized. does that include crimea? and tell me how you can achieve that goal in, at the same time. minimize the risks to the civilian populations that are living

under occupation at the moment. loca crimea is ukraine. you remember the former, my present invented, which is a cranium platform this year we're at a 2nd summit of crimea, bledsoe into online for my august lease 40 leaders participated not on the leaders of europe and your atlantic area, but a leaders of african counselors, asian, kansas, latin america conference and each and every of them said, great media as you great. and daniel green has all the right to deliberate to stagger. so answering your question. yes, definitely. when my prism is speaking about liberating all the territories of ukraine, he means all the characters, really, all the characters include in the korean peninsula in the borders of 24th of august 1990. while the instruments might be different. so it's, it's, it's, it's, it's too complicated now to tell how a liberated crania, but definitely these, these, these go, he's on our radars. will we be seeing more gorilla style attacks by the underground

units that you've been training now for some time? they sort of home resistance. they've been a lot of reports in the press talking to these are members of your armed forces. do you believe that these groups can make russia pay such a high cost over time? but sir, they will eventually relinquish the land that they've taken from you. well, if you want to make a specifically about give me a little note, this is something something not good for actually is taking place in the grey me or i don't know. what is the origin of these, but that is not something good for russia but, but, but generally speaking, looker, we have a rather strong armed forces. we should know what no one can doll. historically, ukraine has also has an experience of having to greenland wars. i think many of the world has forgotten that ukraine has no out knows how to fight, where fighting with russia, who throughout the centuries, i mean for more than 400 years, russia wanted to capture your grade and try to get to grading different form must be the formats of u. s. a. sorrows, russian empire. so you, graham?

yes. having the a block, the knowledge, the, the, the experience, how to fight, including these, the space type of of war which you called greenland where, but the once again look at what our armed forces are doing. i think with the sample with the speed, with the support of international community we're enjoying. i've seen a more and more to you. obviously, russian troops are your primary targets. do you also regard rushes civilian administrators? those who have been drafted into the so called amex areas, you got them as legitimate targets as well. look, we are civilized country. we're not, we're not fight with civilians. it's russia fights when, when, when, when, when and failing to conquer the graham soldiers, they try to not only try they're doing day and night, won't been civilian, all, just civilian targets and civilian people. we are fighting with the enemies that

are armed forces of russia. if you, um, if you're asking me about those, are those still ukrainians who are, for instance, you know, cooperating with a patient of ours who we have another instruments. we have another instrument for the 1st thing someone have been sanctioned, by the way, thank you for the international community. was already prepared in the sense of what those who were agonizing those chem referendums. but the 2nd option is after when the war each and every who was cooperating with the patient 1st was killing ukrainian children students will be, will be punished, will have she's of her. ready own way of responsibility, that's why my present is now arguing about great and international trade. you know . ready for the, for the, for, for the, the russians were responsible for killing ukrainian soldier city as that is why we are bringing this issue to the united nations, reveling in this issue to our international partners. i think this will be the best possible way to punish and what about reports has been summary justice for some of

your own civilians in new york times report in august said your special part is our units were killing those ukrainians who were deemed to be collaborating with the russians, is that true? so i, i cannot commander these to you. i don't have this english, almost 2000 ukrainians now face charges of having complied with the demands of russian invaders, all your bias. they could get up to 15 years in jail. how certain can you be that they'll get a fair trial under current circumstances? a fair trial? i mean, look, i will give you a very, very, very needed example. you know, and really break the areas of northern ukraine, which is a duncan gastorm. and we found an evidence of many atrocities made by russian armed forces when kill and raping and you know, children, the women and men. and we brought international inspectors for the international

criminal court for my partner countries. forensic experts, detectives, and then you know where seeking for each and every evidence of the collective cry. but the crime is collective. but the concrete persons responsible for the crime, the individuals and this is not only present the general, this is alicia, never general each and every major each and every soldier was responsible. so believe me will be very scrupulous again with the support and help our partners, and we will bring each and every person to the justice which he or she deserves. collaboration is difficult to prove, isn't it mr. job club? because how do you distinguish between those who were forced at the point of a gotten to comply with orders or physically abused or whose relatives were threatened from people who wanted to help the russians? he's a very tricky cases, aren't they? it's a very tricky crisis, but i don't think we have the 1st ever historical example of collaboration. we will

definitely use the historical yes. believe me everyone will. he's now collaborating on he's are all in the will, will be punished mister jessica among oh, putins threats and denunciations last week was a, a direct call for you to end the hostilities and talk peace were ready for this. mister putin said, how do you see that offer, you know, from the beginning of this open war, in my mind, my mind might, so there's numerous appeals and speeches and reports and whatever. and my president was ready for negotiations. my president, to even greater a team, was negotiating with our team. and you remember there was several meetings, but we were ready for the negotiations for the, for the protocol negotiations, not for the negotiations of the russian condition conditions. and you remember at some point of time reference, he was started to listen to a great delegation and even to, you know, the drop proposals will be great. then out of a sudden, out of santa they return to the british position. you can only negotiate with

rational and russian conditions. you can only negotiate one russian red lines. you can want to negotiate and also ultimatum. so one, now we have didn't that it was here, the narrative of president within himself. oh, he's a grown he said to rush, he's ready. you fresh. we're ready to a negotiations rush. i would not have december referendums because you might remember the words on my president back in march or april. if russia days to make this sham referendums, there's nothing to talk to russia. so tell me now what is to talk with actually russia captures you legally trying to annex for additional areas for ukraine. what is the subject of negotiations? but hasn't your own president sent out his own piece formula that you know, in advance? the russians aren't going to accept and will never accept me. he laid out 5 points, didn't among them punishment for rushes, aggression,

and restoration of security and territorial integrity. i'm ruling out a settlement, he said that isn't based on the ukrainian piece formula. so it's this way or no way is isn't that the position isn't your that your position. wow, this was a piece formula, but look where it was, you know, out of it was, didn't really, you know, outspoken in the united national general assembly tribute. i really, this is a piece formula, right. who are these form of present ukraine? but at least formula for the whole world, we have our own experience. so we do share with international community. look what this company will be greater, oops, would not happen in each and every country anymore. because when they aggressive feels he will not be panos later on, because there is no legal instrument because you end is not doing the punishment that he's no, you know, a world police can to his punishment. so you know that these 2 have not to happen. my president share, he's formula of peace, right?

you are any war and with negotiations. so sooner or later, these on that kind of negotiations will have to happen and we'll be ready to settle down a the, the, the conditions. i think that would be great. but in these case, negotiation would be result negotiations should bring together our partners together, probably a with ukraine, and that's when the president is telling about security guarantees after the war. you know that he's aggression not to happen anymore, because russia, unfortunately, it will be always aggressive. so we can get to know to think how he's not going to end his aggression, to bring to work to an end. but how will make the suppression not happen in the future or us to have the legal guarantees of which johnson does what in order to secure peace in the sparkled of all right. for the moment, the door to piece talks is firmly shut. isn't it? for the time being, the only talks would be on the battlefield. let's talk about the issue if we may,

of ukraine and nato, which has been there for many years and never goes away nato membership. in august, you criticized the alliance for not giving you any what you called solid prospect of membership. despite you armies increasing compatibility with nato troops and systems. we know that natalie does a dodging the question in public of your membership. what are they telling you behind the scenes? are they more optimistic about that in private? well, you saw that on a friday, my president, someone an application for ford, ford f, one, nato membership, and not the, the, the nato members to, to be, to be thinking about these already. now we do not have a reply, did he? he didn't get much of a reply. well, why not? why not over 2nd? we had to state one of night president or central european countries that they absolutely welcome in the decision a book or something in 2008. i have to remind you the book or some it was on. it

was very clear that ukraine should become a member of nato, and the 1st instruments would be membership action play. what is happening now? we see that after russia open aggression, media, things change local to walk. this company was sweden and finland. they are almost entry, nato. several protocols have to be rectified, but their entry 9 to without membership action plan. so you'd bring the stuff in. ok, we took notice of these, we're now fighting to work. we are enjoying the support and help our nato allies, all of them bring us referencing all of them, helping us with sanctions. will them bring us to financial assistance? but look, it's high time now to think what will happen after the war. that's why my presence telling yes, let's think about possible entry, new baby green to nato or now let's what do you think about security guarantees for you? great at this period of time. so we are suggesting watchful tim of choices and our partners. no one said no, and you said i didn't hear clear. no say no, you great will never become a member of the same as no one. but you didn't hear

a yes i did. you. you didn't hear a yes either. definite janitta wilson, the consensus principal. no one says this consensus discontents. it will happen tomorrow, but we should work on this. now. you great. what's the purpose is to nato allies, and i think all each and every member should think what to do next. as part of a peace settlement, would you ever agree not to join nato? no, that's out of the question. is it? yes, mr. jessica, what is in the end of this war, you can't achieve outright to victory. and the best you can get is not to lose. would you settle for that right now with the country settle for that? you know, i like the, the, the, the, the stance which is expressed almost by all leaders of the world was speaking to my president. it's only ukraine and only a grant who will define the scope or victory. what will mean victory for you?

and when you hear the narrative that someone is, you know, in line in your brain to these, or that, you know, conditions or whatever, don't believe them billing is very hard, you know, to make friends landscape, to go to any, you know, surrenders or to meet any conditions which i'm not going to sign with a national interest of ukraine will fight, will fight of the in the end as victory of ukraine. unfortunately, no one will tell you now when will be to speak free and how many eliasis still to be sacrifice. but again, we deserve all the 7 muscle words, but only graham's ukrainian press on the grinning people ukrainian armed forces. who will decide? what is the scope of the premium degree? you talked about thinking ahead to the end of the war, do you foresee, having to remain a heavy, militarized state for the foreseeable future with security constant priority always on your guard? are you, are you ready for that kind? the future?

yes, yes, yes. i think it was in it rightly a situation that will never be the same in ukraine and the wrong you know, me tell about that. they did the common this association with some other countries in the world. but look, you grand has its own destiny unfortunately. yes, and fortunately for us, but after this war, after this victory, ukrainian armed forces will be ever stronger. even a mighty war experience, more skillful, knowing how to find with the modern equipment. it's healing to nato standards. by the way, you know, when, when what no one will tell you now will tell us now that you are not in trouble with nato antoinette, whatever we, i'm wasn't interoperable where finding out again, definitely to not was the 2nd strongest on in the world, but definitely not with the weakest army in the world. so yes, at these experience, there's experience, we are ready to share. we are ready to be this forefront of the whole european

continent where destined to be here. we will not transfer a grant somewhere to another part of the world. so yes, probably it is. ready be the case for great, very briefly, some experts in the west of suggested that what we're witnessing with the conflict in ukraine is the start of the 3rd world war, 3rd world war between russia and the west. is that how you see this conflict? no, this is hope williams is this conflict in his narrative. he's already fighting, not only with the whole west, not only with ne gardener, but probably with the most part of the world, except some countries who support in, you know, this is false russian narratives and probably this, this would be a visual thinking of russia. we are fighting with russia. we are fighting russian aggressive not great was started toward struggling with started the war to look in 2014. and it started the open face in 2022. we are fighting by our own. we don't

have boots on the ground, our armed forces are fighting yes to the support of more than equipment, weapons, et cetera. but we are destined to fight along the way destined to bring to sport java. it's been a pleasure to have you on a comp exam. thank you very much indeed for your time. thank you. oh, blue ah, with

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