this is a listening place along the mediterranean sea. it's waters connect people of many cultures. seen it almost rock enter far abdul karim drift along with exploring modern lifestyles, and they determine where it has. history left its traces, meeting people, hearing their dreams. editorial journey this week, d w no sooner had president putin, amex for regions in ukraine, and his troops were forced to flee from a key city in one of them and russian tank defences were breached in another. the humiliation wasn't lost on russian commanders with the chechen warlord rams. i'm clear of calling from moscow to use tactical nuclear weapons. my guest this week

from key f is a horse off cra, deputy head of the presidential administration. has ukraine back to mr. putting into a corner where he might use his nuclear arsenal. you may not have any habit battlefield instruments to, to withstand it ukrainian or confident boxes. so i think you're going to take this seriously and the international community has to take it seriously. for now though, what has changed the fortunes of ukraine's armed forces? i'm, can they keep up the momentum? how do they treat, suspected ukrainian collaborators? and why is the door to piece talks still firmly, shut your job for welcome to conflicts on they didn't have any. your forces of had a spectacular month, 6000 square kilometers, seized back from russia. you've just taken one of their key supply hubs and done yet, can you've broken through in the south in care sun?

how important are these latest successes to you both on the battlefield and psychologically, wow, thank you for this question. really? it is very important on the battlefield, or if you take the 1st 30 days and months of war 1000000, the world didn't believe that ukraine will not be able to even to withstand the war . and then to have any major success on the territory of my country. but for all this, more than 7 months of the war we, we proven to ourselves 1st of all, and then to the world community that we can not only fight with the russian aggression. we can wish that this russian, or we can stop this russian aggression in this country, but we can count on it to have counter advances and definitely we will, we will have all our territories back. so that is why it is important that we have this content. bunch of numerous directions. we have very good advances, something hockey area, almost all the origin of argue, oh bless,

is liberated by ukrainian armed forces. really, we have good advanced into doing this camera. remember, russia wanted to capture little guns? can the region immediately from the beginning of the open war because they were trying to capture it from 2014? not any success is happening for them. on to dawn, it's going to look on screen and the same. your atl to solve, i don't care. so, and it's also a advantage. it's more slowly than the kind of give region, but it's very important. so it's really very important. think for the armed force and really, right, you know, morally more of it's important for our people for each and every ukrainian citizens living in ukraine. we're having to leave you a grain. of course, you know, the time when the, what is happening. but all of us president graham people, ukrainian government are, you know, helping each, each of us in our own mentor to bring this victory. and really what is doing what is done by the opposite of the players really admire the ukraine. but i think in

all the world, mr. jessica, what's brought about this studying change in your fortunes on the battlefield? and can you maintain the momentum? well, 1st of all, once again is to strengthen mastery of freak, bring an armed forces. but secondly, this is due to the equipment, ammunition and weapons, which is coming into more bigger quantities from our way western partners. most of the countries owe to which we apply to the world to bring us additional heavy weaponry, additional artillery additional our tanks and i'm with the it goes additional multi loans, rocket systems. i'm now we're starting to help us, and this is what really shows and this is what really helps to our success. because you know, you cannot find only with a, with a, with a, with a gun. you'll fight the more than the war and you made the counter advances with a more than western equipment. yes, we've got some equipment and heritage from the soviet union. but now we proved

again to us and to all of the world that you bring in our forces could muster them order and western nature equipment, and we can fight with it and we can win with it. so yes, i think we'll be able to get the momentum. it was very important for us to stop this company must be for the wintertime, because we'll get as much more easier to make a count of the inventors. judy, the, the, the, the, the, the, the time was forced to do this in the winter time is it's much easier to fortify, to defend. so that's why i'm closest my, everything possible to, to gain momentum and to move forward. how do you expect the kremlin to react to your advances? i'm assuming you don't expect who tend to accept these defeats shrugged his shoulders and walk away. well, i think well well well see i didn't, i didn't have an absence of success on the battlefield day. you know, if he's a armed forces definite and not the 2nd strongest army to rule se portrayed,

he's armed forces. probably he had the bad reports from his generals, about the strength to cross and armed forces. but as a reaction to the success of the brain forces he probably, you know, i had to, to, to use this several instruments. one of them will deal with those sham referendums, which he orchestrated on the part of the cranium territory, which is now temporarily occupied. so he's trying to now to make an attempt to annexations and not attempt to make station the same way he did an intervention. 14 . that's why, very important now not to repeat the mistakes of the 1014, when the world community international partners of ukraine, that be very honest overslept, are the sections which put in was do it. so really, this is a very good tire when all international community react negatively to lease some referenda. and these attempted annexations wasn't their position and different formats at different levels, and also helping ukraine to fight the russian aggressor isn't the danger that you

push him into a corner and force him to react. he has, after all, weapon systems that you don't have. i'm talking about nuclear weapons. how do you assess the chance of him using at least battlefield nuclear weapons, especially if you keep beating him on the battlefield. hello, this is not the 1st time in doing this open war when she black mails, all of us, not only great, all the world with it, with a nuclear weapon or early with chemical and biological weapons. well, i mean, don't you think i seriously don't you take it seriously the take it seriously. we take it seriously. and now because because look at that he is you may not have any of it battlefield instruments to, to withstand it. you, graham, a country advances. so i think ukraine is taking the seriously and the international community has to take it seriously. after all, we have several nuclear station. the one they have to react. they have to prevent

him from doing these. they have to tell him about the diary consequences. if he even dares to, to, to, to, to, to use it partially on the battlefield or on some are remote areas the should look, you should not even think about these. so that's my, by prison. when talking to the world leaders, he, he asked them ukrainian on nuclear state. we don't have a nuclear, our weapons, you remember we, we, we are given a way to start in 1094 when our own good will. so that's why we need the protection of the rest of the nuclear powers to protect all the world. literally, you carry out on the euro, all the world from using the say, nuclear weapon. according to some newspapers, nato is said to have warned its members that russia maybe about to stage a nuclear test or some other nuclear demonstration as a warning to ukraine and the west. do you give any credence to these reports?

well, we'll deliver to all the credible information to reach our partners. western partners are provided to us and definitely they inform you about this. well, definitely, i think our security forces and indulgence forces have to be in contact with irrelevant, but doesn't have to have this information. a defense analyst in poland is reported that a train operated by russia nuclear division was bound for ukraine. have you received such reports? well again, i saw the news in the press, i don't necessarily, i have these official report and adopting the something which is linked to the press is really information. but again, we also take a seriously. and if you had had such a report, would you tell me that would? probably it is not the information i should sell to the press. all right, your president has promised you will liberate all the territory that russia has seized. does that include crimea and tell me how you can achieve that goal and at

the same time, minimize the risks to the civilian populations that are living under occupation at the moment. loca crimea is ukraine? you remember the former, my present advantage, which is a cranium platform this year we had a 2nd sonic of crimea bledsoe into online for month august. lease 40 leaders participated not on the leaders of europe and your atlantic area, but our leaders of african countries, asian, kansas, latin america conference, and each and every of them said, great media as you great. and do you great. as all the rest of delivery to sen. so answering your question, yes, definitely. when my president is thinking about liberating all the territories of ukraine, he means all the characters really, all the territories include in the korean peninsula, in the borders of 24th of august, 1990. while the instruments might be different. so it's, it's, it's, it's, it's too complicated now to tell hollow, liberated crimea, but definitely these, these, these go, he's on our radars. will we be seeing more gorilla style attacks by the underground

units that you've been training now for some time? they sort of home resistance. they've been a lot of what's in the press, talking to these members of your armed forces. do you believe that these groups can make russia pay such a high cost over time? that so they will eventually relinquish the land that they've taken from you? well, if you want to make specifically about, i never know this is something something not good for our choice. that taken place in the grey me or i dunno what is the origin of these, but definitely not something good for russia but, but, but generally speaking, looker, we have a rather strong armed forces. we should know what no one can doll. historically, ukraine has also has an experience of having to getting them worse. i think many of the world has forgotten that ukraine has no out. knows how to find where fighting with russia, who fraud centuries. i mean, for more than 400 years. russia wanting to capture your grade and try to get to

bring in different formats, be the formats of you as a sovereign, russian and bias. so you, graham, yes. having the blah, the knowledge, the, the, the experience, how to fight inclusion these, this type of of war which you called greenland more. but once again, look at what our armed forces are doing. i think with the sample with the speed, with the support of international community wayne join. i think it weighs more than more than you. obviously, russian troops are your primary targets. do you also regard russia's civilian administrators? those who've been drafted into the so called amex areas you were god them as legitimate targets as well. look, with the less can should we not with a lot fight with civilians. it's rush awful fights when, when, when, when britain and failing to conquer the grain, young soldiers, they try to not only try they're doing day and night won't been civilian objects,

civilian targets, and civilian people. we are fighting with the enemies that are armed forces of russia. if ya, if you're asking me about those, are those still you great? yes. well, for instance, you know, cooperating with a patient of ours. we have another instruments. we have another instrument, the 1st in some of the sections and by the way, thank you for the international community. was already preparing the sanction for those who were agonizing those sam referendums. but the 2nd option is after when the war each and every who was cooperating with the furthest was killing ukrainian sojourn, said it will be, will be punished, will have she's of her own way of responsibility. that's why my present is now arguing about great and international trade. you know. ready for the, for the, for the, for the russians were responsible for killing ukrainian soldier city as that is why we are bringing this issue to the united nations will bring in this issue our international partners. i think this will be the best possible way to punish and

what about report to that there's been summary justice for some of your own civilians and new york times report in august said your special part is on units were killing those ukrainians who were deemed to be collaborating with the russians . is that true? so i don't know, i can, i cannot command a campus english, almost 2000 ukrainians now face charges of having complied with the demons of russian invaders, all your bias. they could get up to 15 years in jail. how certain can you be that they'll get a fair trial under the current circumstances that it will have a fair trial? i mean, look, i believe you get very, very, very, that example, you know, one really break the areas of northern ukraine, which is a gunk on gastorm. and we found an evidence of many atrocities made by russian armed forces when the kill and raping. and you know, children, women and men,

and we brought international inspectors for international criminal court for my partner. countries, for experts detect is and they are, you know, we're sick and for each and every evidence of these collective cry. but the crime is collective. but the concrete persons are responsible for the crime, the individuals, and this is not only present, would you give the general orders? because each and every general, each and every major each and every soldier was responsible. so believe me will, will be very scrupulous again with the support and help all of our partners, and we will bring each and every person to the justice which he or she deserves. collaboration is difficult to prove, isn't it mr. job? because how do you distinguish between those who are forced to the point of a gun to comply with orders or physically abused or whose relatives were threatened from people who wanted to help the russians? he's a very tricky cases, aren't they? it's a very tricky cases,

but i don't think we have the 1st ever historical example of collaboration. we will definitely use different stories. yes. believe me, everyone who is now collaborating on he's on your own the will will be punished. mr. jessica among o putins threat sunday, nancy ations last week was a, a direct call for you to and the hostilities and talk peace were ready for this. mister putin said, how do you see that offer, you know, from the beginning of this open the war in my mind, my might might, so there's numerous appeals and speeches and reports and whatever. and my president was ready for negotiations. my president to even greater a team wasn't go straight in, but there are some team. and you remember there were several meetings, but we were ready for the negotiations for the, for the fruitful negotiations and not for the negotiations of the russian condition conditions. and you remember, some point of time russians even started to listen to your grand delegation and even to, you know, the drop proposals of you greater than out of a sudden, out of

a sudden they returned to the british position. you can only negotiate with rational and russian conditions. you can only negotiate one russian red lines. you can only negotiate national ultimatum. so one, now we have didn't that it was here, the narrative or president, would you himself? oh, he's a grown he said rush, he's ready. you fresh or we're ready to a negotiations rush. i would not have descend referendums because you might remember the words on my president back in march or april. if russia days to make this sham referendums, there's nothing to talk to russia. so tell me now what is to talk with us if russia captures you legally trying to annex for additional areas for ukraine? what is the subject of negotiations? but hasn't your own president sent out his own peace formula that you know, in advance? the russians aren't going to accept and will never accept. i mean, he laid out 5 points, didn't he?

among them punishment for rushes, aggression, and restoration of security and territorial integrity. i'm ruling out a settlement, he said that isn't based on the ukrainian piece formula. so it's this way or no way is isn't that the position isn't your that your position. wow, this was a piece formula. but look where it was, you know, out, and it was didn't really, you know, outspoken in the united national general assembly attribute. i really, this is a piece formula, right? who are these form of present ukraine, but at least formula for the whole world. we have our own experience, so we do share with international community. look what this company will be greater, oops, would not happen in each and every country anymore. because when they aggressive feels he will not be panos later on. because there is no legal instrument because you end is not doing the punishment that he's no, you know, a world police can to his punishment. so you know that these 2 have not to happen.

my president sharing, he's formula of peace, right? you are any war and with negotiations, so sooner or later these, all that kind of negotiations will have to happen and we'll be ready to settle down the, the, the, the conditions. i think that would be great. but in this case, negotiation would be result. negotiations should bring together our partners together, probably a with ukraine, and that's when the president is telling about security guarantees after the war in order these aggression not to happen anymore. because russia, unfortunately, it will be always aggressive. so we together know to think how these nobody to end is aggression, to bring to work, to an end. but how will make the suppression not happen in the future or us to have the legal guarantees of which johnson does what in order to secure peace in the spark of all right, for the moment the, the door to piece talks is firmly shut. isn't it?

for the time being, the only talks would be on the book. let's talk about the issue if we may, of ukraine and nato, which has been there for many years and never goes away nato membership. in august, you criticized the alliance for not giving you any what you called solid prospect of membership. despite your arm is increasing compatibility with nato troops and systems. we know that nato leaders a dodging the question in public of your membership. what are they telling you behind the scenes? are they more optimistic about that in private? well, you saw that on a friday by president. summon an application for ford, ford for nato membership, and now the, the, the nato members to, to be, to be thinking about these already. now, we do not have a reply, did he, he didn't get much of a reply. well, why not? why not over 2nd? we had this statement of night president or central european countries and that

they are absolutely welcome in the decision a book or stomach in 2008. i have to remind you the book or some it was on. it was very clear that ukraine should become a member of nato. the 1st instruments would be membership action play. what is happening now. we see that after rush of open aggression, media, things change local to what discovery was sweden and finland. they are almost entering nato. several protocols have to be rectified, but their entry 9 to without the membership action plan. so you're going to study ok. we took notice of these. we're now fighting to work. we are enjoying the support and help our nato allies, all of them bring us weaponry, all of them helping us with sanctions, full of them bring us to financial assistance. but look, it's high time now to think what will happen after the award. that's why my presence telling yes, let's think about possible entry, new, great, great to nato or now let's what do you think about security guarantees for your grade at this period of time? so we are suggest and watchful of choices and our partners. no one said no,

i didn't say i didn't hear clear. no say, no. you great will never become a member of nato the same as no one set, but you didn't hear a yes i did. you. you didn't hear a yes. i that definite to native works of the consensus principal. no one says this consensus discontents. it will happen tomorrow, but we should look on this now. you great. what's the purpose is to nato allies, and i think all each and every then should think what to do next. as part of a peace settlement, would you ever agree not to join nato? no, that's out of the question. is it? yes, mr. jessica. what if in the end of this war, you can't achieve outright victory and the best you can get is not to lose? would you settle for that right now with the country settle for that? you know, i like the, the, the, the, the stance which is expressed almost by all leaders of the world course begin to my president. it's only ukraine and only

a grant who will define the scope or victory. what will mean victory for you? and when you hear the narrative that someone is, you know, in the line in your brain too, these are that, you know, conditions or whatever. don't believe them billing me. it's very hard to, you know, to make prisons lansky to go to any you know, surrenders or to meet any conditions which i'm not going to sign with a national interest of ukraine. we will fight will fight of the in the end as victory of the prayer. unfortunately, no one will tell you now when. ready will be to speak 3, how many eliasis still to be sacrifice, but again, we deserve all the 7 muscles with only ukrainians to bring in present. graham people you bring in our courses, who will decide? what is the scope of the premium degree? you talked about thinking ahead to the end of the war, do you foresee, having to remain a heavy military state for the foreseeable future with security,

a constant priority always on your guard? are you, are you ready for that kind of future? yes, yes, yes. i think it was in it rightly and the situation will never be the same in ukraine and the wrong you know, many tell about the they did the common this association with some other countries in the world. but look, you grant has its own destiny unfortunately. yes, and fortunately for us, but after this war, after this victory, ukrainian armed forces will be ever stronger. even a mighty war experience, more skillful, knowing how to find with the modern equipment. it's healing to nato standards, by the way, you know, when, when what no one will tell you now will tell us now that you are not in the oprah with nate armed forces or whatever we am, wasn't interoperable? well, finding out again, definitely to not with the 2nd strongest on in the world, but definitely not with the weakest army in the world. so yes, a des,

experienced this experience, we are ready to share. we are ready to be this forefront of the whole european continent. well, destined to be here. we will not transfer a grant somewhere to another part of the world. so yes, probably this will be the case for great, very briefly. some experts in the west of suggested that what we're witnessing with the conflict in ukraine is the start of the 3rd world war, 3rd world war between russia and the west. is that how you see this conflict? no, this is how would you see this conflict in his narrative? he's bullet and you fighting not only with the whole west, not only with ne gardener, but probably with the most part of the world except some countries who support in, you know, this is false. russian narratives, and probably this would be a visual thinking of russia. we are fighting with russia. we are fighting russian aggressive not you. grand was not going to would struggle started to war,

to locate, to $1014.00. and it started the open face in 2022. we are fighting by our own. we don't have boots on the ground. our armed forces are fighting yes to the support of more than equipment, weapons, et cetera. but we are destined to fight lawanda. what destined to being this is jessica. it's been a pleasure to have you on a comp exam. thank you very much indeed for your time. thank you. lou. ah ah

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