for listen carefully. don't know how with, to be a good deal. the magic discover the world around you. subscribe to d w documentary on youtube. or no sooner had president putin annexed for regions in ukraine. and these troops were forced to flee from a key city in one of them, and russian tank defences were breached in another. the humiliation wasn't lost on russian commanders with the chechen warlord rams. i'm clear off calling from moscow to use tactical nuclear weapons. my guess this week from keith is

a horse off cra deputy head of the presidential administration. has ukraine backed mister putin into a corner where he might use his nuclear arsenal. you may not have any of it, better feel instruments to, to withstand it. you cranium, a candidate bosses. so i think you grant is taking this seriously and the national community has to take it seriously. for now, though, what has changed the fortunes of ukraine's armed forces? i'm, can they keep up the momentum? how do they treat suspected ukrainian collaborators? and what is the door to piece talks still firmly, shut your job for welcome to conflict on a different ebony. your forces have had a spectacular month. 6000 square kilometers seized back from russia. you've just taken one of their key supply hubs and done yet, can you've broken through in the south in care sun?

how important are these latest successes to you both on the battlefield and psychologically wow, thank you for this question. really. it is very important on the battlefield, or if you take the 1st 30 days and months of war 1000000, the world didn't believe that ukraine will not be able to even to withstand the war . then to have any major success on the territory of my country. but for all this, more than 7 months of the war, we proven to ourselves 1st of all, and then to the world community that we can not only fight with the russian aggression. we can wish that this russian, or we can stop this russian aggression in this country, but we can count on it to have counter advances and definitely we will, we will have all our territories back. so that is why it is important that we have this content. bunch of numerous directions. we have very good ones or something hard area, almost all the region of argue, oh bless,

is liberated by ukrainian armed forces. really, we have good advanced into doing this camera. remember, russia wanted to capture all the little guns kinetic region immediately from the beginning of the open the war because they were trying to capture it from 2014. not any success is happening for them. on to dawn, it's going to look on screen and the same your atl to solve. i don't care. so, and it's also a advantage. it's more slowly than the kind of give region, but it's very important. so it's really very important. think for the armed force and really right to morally more of it's important for our people, for each and every ukrainian citizens living in ukraine. we're having to leave you a grain. of course, you know, the time when the, what is happening. but all of us president graham people, ukrainian government are, you know, helping each, each of us in our own mentor to bring this victory and really what is doing, what is done by the office of ukraine is really at my thought of ukraine. but i

think in the old world, mr. jessica, what's brought about this studying change in your fortunes on the battlefield? and can you maintain the momentum? well, 1st of all, once again is to strengthen mastery of freak, bring an armed forces. but secondly, this is due to the equipment, ammunition and weapons which is coming into more bigger quantities from our western partners. most of the countries owe to which we apply to the world to bring us additional heavy weaponry, additional artillery additional our tanks and i'm with the it goes additional multi launch broker systems. i'm now we're starting to help us, and this is what really shows and this is what really helps to our success. because you know, you cannot find only with a, with a, with a, with a gun. you'll fight the more than the war and you made the counter advances with a more than western equipment. yes, we've got some equipment and heritage from the soviet union. but now we proved

again to us and to all of the world that you bring in our forces could muster dim order and western nature equipment, and we can fight with it and we can win with it. so yes, i think we'll be able to get the momentum that was very important for us to stop this company must be for the wintertime, because we'll get as much more easier to make a count of the inventors. judy, the, the, the, the, the, the, the time was forced to do this in the winter time is it's much easier to fortify, to defend. so that's why i'm forces mom might everything possible to, to gain momentum and to move forward? how do you expect the kremlin to react to your advances? i'm assuming you don't expect who tend to accept these defeats shrugged his shoulders and walk away. well, i think well well well see i didn't, i didn't have an absence of success on the battlefield day. you know, if he's a armed forces definite and not the 2nd strongest army, and the rule, se portrayed,

he's armed forces. probably he had the bad reports from his generals, about the strength to cross and armed forces. but as a reaction to the success of the brain forces he probably, you know, i had to, to, to use this several instruments. one of them will deal with those sham referendums, which he orchestrated on the part of the cranium territory, which is now temporarily occupied. so he's trying to now to make an attempted annexations and not attempted to like station the same way he did an intervention. 14. that's why, very important now not to get the mistakes and 14, when the world community international partners of ukraine, that be very honest overslept, are the sections which, which in was do it. so really, this is a very good tire when all international community react negatively to lease some referenda. and these attempted annexations wasn't their position and different formats at different levels, and also helping ukraine to fight the russian aggressor isn't the danger that you

push him into a corner and force him to react. he has, after all, weapon systems that you don't have. i'm talking about nuclear weapons. how do you assess the chance of him using at least battlefield nuclear weapons, especially if you keep beating him on the battlefield. hello, this is not the 1st time. and during this open war, when he black males, all of us not only great all the world with it, with a nuclear weapon or early with chemical and biological weapons. well, i mean, don't you think i seriously, don't you take it seriously? the 3. yes, but take it seriously, we take it seriously. and now because because look at that he is you may not have any of it battlefield instruments to, to withstand it. you cranium or counter advances. so i think ukraine is taking the seriously and the international community has to take it seriously. after all, we have several nuclear station. the one they have to react. they have to prevent

him from doing these. they have to tell him about the diary consequences. if he even dares to, to, to, to, to use it partially on the battlefield or on some are remote areas. the should look, you should not even think about these. so that's my by prison and talking to the world leaders fee. he asked them ukrainian on nuclear state. we don't have a nuclear, our weapons, you remember we, we, we are given a way to start in 1094 when our own good will. so that's why we need the protection of the rest of the nuclear powers to protect all the world. literally, you carry out on the euro, all the world from using the say, nuclear weapon. according to some newspapers, nato is said to have warned its members that russia maybe about to stage a nuclear test or some other nuclear demonstration as a warning to ukraine and the west. do you give any credence to these reports?

well, we'll deliver to all the credible information to reach our partners. western partners are provided to us and definitely they inform you about this. well, definitely, i think our security forces and intelligence forces have to be in contact with irrelevant partners and have this information at defense, analyst in poland is reported that a train operated by russia's nuclear division was bound for ukraine. have you received such reports? well again, i saw this news in the press, i don't necessarily or have these official report and adopting the something which is linked to the breast is a real information. but again, we also take a seriously. and if you had had such a report, would you tell me that would? probably this is not the information i should sell to the press. all right, your president has promised you will liberate all the territory that russia has seized. does that include crimea? and tell me how you can achieve that goal in,

at the same time. minimize the risks to the civilian populations that are living under occupation at the moment. loca crimea, ukraine. you remember the former, my present advantage, which is a cranium platform this year we had a 2nd sonic of crimea bled into online for month august. ready 40 leaders participated not on the leaders of europe and your atlantic area, but our leaders of african countries, asian, kansas, latin america conference, and each and every of them said, great media as you great. and then you can has all the rights to deliberate, the senator. so answering your question, yes, definitely. with my president is thinking about liberating all the territories of ukraine. he means all the characters, really, all the territories include occurring, anthony, and select in the borders of 24th of august 1990. while the instruments might be different. so, so it's, it's, it's, it's too complicated now to tell how will liberate the crimea. but definitely these, these, these go, he's on our radars. will we be seeing more gorilla style attacks by the underground

units that you've been training now for some time? they sort of home resistance. they've been a lot of reports in the press talking to these members of your armed forces. do you believe that these groups can make russia pay such a high cost over time, but they will eventually relinquish the land that they've taken from you? well, if you must make specifically about crimea, will notice that something something not good for our choice that taken place in the grania. i dunno what is the origin of these, but definitely not something good for russia but, but, but generally speaking, looker, we have a rather strong armed forces. we should know what no one can dull. historically, ukraine has also has an experience surfing into gorilla moors. i think many of the world has forgotten that ukraine has, is no out, knows how to find where fighting with russia, who fraud the centuries. i mean, for more than 400 years, russia wanted to capture your grade and try to get to bring in different formats,

be the formats of you as a sovereign russian and bias. so you, graham, yes. having the a blah didn't know the, the, the experience. how to fight include in these this type of war which you called greenland more, but once again, i look at what our armed forces are doing. i think with the sample, with the support of international community, wayne join. i think it weighs more than one year. obviously, russian troops are your primary targets. do you also regard russia's civilian administrators? those who've been drafted into the so called an ext areas. you regard them as legitimate targets as well. look, we're similar country, we're not, we're not fight with civilians. it's rush awful fights when, when, when, when and failing to conquer the graham soldiers, they try to not only try they're doing day and night, both been civilian objects to the land targets and civilian people. we are fighting

with the enemies, the armed forces of russia. if you, um, if you're asking me about those, are those still ukrainians who are, for instance, you know, cooperating with a patient of ours. we have another instruments. we have another instrument for the 1st and some of the sections. and by the way, thank you for the international community was already preparing this sanction for those who were agonizing those chem referendums. but the 2nd option is after when the war each and every who was cooperating with the furthest was killing ukrainian sojourn, said it will be, will be punished, will have she's are her own. ready way of responsibility, that's why my present is now arguing about creating the national treat you know. ready for the, for the, for the, for the russians were responsible for killing ukrainian soldiers. that it, that is why we are bringing this issue to the united nations will bring in this issue our international partners. i think this will be the best possible way to

punish and what about report to that has been summary justice for some of your own civilians. a new york times report in august said your special part is an units were killing those ukrainians who were deemed to be collaborating with the russians . is that true? so i don't know, i can, i cannot commander. these are countless english, almost 2000 ukrainians. now face charges of having complied with the demands of russian invaders will occupy if they could get up to 15 years in jail. how certain can you be that they'll get a fair trial under the current circumstances and we will have a fair trial. i mean, look, i will give you a very, very, very needed example. you know, one really break the areas of northern ukraine, which is a gunk on gastorm. and we found an evidence of many atrocities made by russian armed forces when kill and raping. and you know, children, women and men,

and we brought international inspectors for international criminal court for my partner countries. forensic experts, detectives, and they're, you know, we're thinking for each and every evidence of these collective cry. but the crime is collective. but the concrete persons are responsible for the crime, the individuals, and this is not only present, would you give the general orders? because each and every general, each and every major each and every soldier was responsible. so, believe me will be very scrupulous. again, with the support and help all of our partners, and we will bring each and every person to the justice which he or she deserves. collaboration is difficult to prove, isn't it mr. job? because how do you distinguish between those who are forced at the point of a gun to comply with orders or physically abused or whose relatives were threatened from people who wanted to help the russians? he's a very tricky cases, aren't they? it's a very tricky cases,

but i don't think we have the 1st ever historical example of collaboration we will definitely use distorting. yes. believe me, everyone who is now collaborating on he's on your own, the will, will be punished. mr. jessica among o putins threats and did not see a sions last week was a, a direct call for you to and the hostilities and talk peace were ready for this. mister putin said, how do you see that offer? you know, from the beginning of this open war, in my mind, my mind might so there's numerous appeals and speeches and reports and whatever. and my president was ready for negotiations. my president to even greater a team wasn't goes 18, but there are some team. and you remember there were several meetings, but we were ready for the negotiations for the, for the protocol negotiations and not for the negotiations of the russian condition . conditions on your memo. some point of time russians even started to listen to ukrainian delegation and even to, you know,

the drop proposals of ukraine. then out of a sudden, out of a sudden they returned to their british position, you can only negotiate with rational and russian conditions. you can only negotiate one russian red lines. you can only negotiate, not ultimatums, so one, now we have genetic. you will hear the narrative of president. would you? himself? oh, he's a grown, he said rush, he's ready. you fresh a. we're ready to a negotiations rush. i would not have december referendums because you might remember the words on my president back in march or april, if russia days to make this sham referendums, there's nothing to talk to after. so tell me now what is to talk with, captures you legally trying to annex for additional areas for you grain. what is the subject of negotiations, but hasn't your own but his own peace formula that you know in advance, the russians aren't going to accept and will never accept me. he laid out 5 points,

didn't t, among them punishment for rushes, aggression, and restoration of security. and territorial integrity, i am ruling out a settlement. he said that isn't based on the ukrainian piece formula. so it's this way or no way is, isn't that the position isn't your that your position. wow, this was a piece formula. but look where it was, you know, out of it was, didn't really, you know, outspoken in the united national general assembly tribute. i really, this is a piece formula, right? who are these form of present ukraine, but at least formula for the whole world. we have our own experience, so we do share with international community. look what this company will be grammar, whoops, would not happen in each and every country anymore. because when the aggressive feels he will not be panos later on. because there is no any legal instrument because you end is not doing the punishment that he's no, you know, a world police can do this punishment. so you know that these 2 have not to happen . my president sherry,

he's formula. all right. you are any war and with negotiations, so sooner or later diesel that kind of negotiations will have to happen and, and we'll be ready to settle down the, the, the, the conditions. i think that would be great, but in this case, negotiation should be resolved all. negotiations should bring together our partners together, probably a with ukraine, and that's when the president is telling about security guarantees after the war. you know that these aggression not to happen anymore, because russia unfortunately been, expect, will be always aggressive. so we can get the now to think how these money to end is aggression, to bring to work, to an end. but how will make the suppression not happen in the future, or it happens to it, legal guarantees of which johnson does what in order to secure peace in the sparkle to hall. but for the moment the, the door to piece talks is firmly shut. isn't it?

for the time being, the only talks would be on the book. let's talk about the issue if we may, of ukraine and nato, which has been there for many years and never goes away nato membership. in august, you criticized the alliance for not giving you any what you called solid prospect of membership. despite your arm is increasing compatibility with nato troops and systems. we know that nato leaders a dodging the question in public of your membership. what are they telling you behind the scenes? are they more optimistic about that in private? well, you saw that on a friday by president. summon an application for ford, ford for nato membership, enough the, the, the nato members to, to be, to be thinking about these already. now, we do not have a reply, did he, he didn't get much of a reply. well, why not? why not over 2nd, we had to state one of night president or central european countries that they absolutely welcome in the decision a book or

a stomach in 2008. i have to remind you the book or some it was on. it was very clear that ukraine should become a member of nato, and the 1st instruments would be membership action play. what is happening now. we see that after russia open aggression media, things change local to what this company was, sweden and finland. they are almost entry, nato. several protocols have to be rectified, but they are entering into without membership action plan. so you're going to study ok. we took notice of these. we are now fighting to work. we are enjoying the support and help our nato allies, all of them bring us weaponry. all of them helping us with sanctions. will them bring us to financial assistance? but look, it's high time now to think what will happen after the war. that's why my presence telling yes, let's think about possible entering your brain to nato or now let's what do you think about security guarantees for your grade at this period of time? so we are suggesting lots of choices and our partners. no one say no. i you say i

didn't hear clear. no say no, you great will never become a member of the same as no one set, but you didn't hear a yes i did. you, you didn't hear a yes i that definite a native worth of the consensus principal. the one says this consensus discontents . it will happen to moral, but we should look on this now. you great. what's the purpose is to nato allies, and i think all each and every then should think what to do next. as part of a peace settlement, would you ever agree not to join nato? no, that's out of the question. is it? yes, mr. jessica, what is in the end of this war, you can't achieve outright victory. and the best you can get is not to lose. would you settle for that right now with the country settle for that? you know, i like the, the, the, the, the stance which is expressed almost by all leaders of the world course begin to my president. it's only ukraine and only a grant who will define the scope of victory. what will mean victory for you?

and when you hear the narrative that someone is, you know, inclined in ukraine to these or that, you know, conditions or whatever. don't believe that, believe me, it's very hard, you know, to make present landscape, to go to any, you know, surrenders or to meet any conditions which are not going sign with the national interest of ukraine will fight. we'll fight the in the end as victory of the grave . unfortunately, no one will tell you now, when will be to speak 3, how many eliasis still to be sacrifice, but again, we deserve thought. the 7 muscles were this, but only graham's ukrainian president, grant people you bring in our courses, who will decide what is the scope of cranium victory? you talked about thinking ahead to the end of the war? do you foresee, having to remain a heavy, militarized state for the foreseeable future with security, the constant priority always on your guard?

are you, are you ready for that kind of future? yes, yes, yes, i think it was in it rightly a, the situation will never be the same in ukraine and around you know, many tell about the they did the common this association with some other countries in the world. but look, you grand has its own destiny. unfortunately, yes, and fortunately for us, but after this war, after this victory, ukrainian armed forces will be ever stronger. even a mighty war experience, more skillful, knowing how to find with the modern equipment. it's healing to native standards, by the way, you know, when, when no one, no one will tell you now, will tell us now that you are not in trouble with nato and was whatever we are more than interoperable. we're finding out again, definitely not with the 2nd strongest on in the world, but definitely not with the weakest army in the world. so yes,

at these experience that is experienced, we are ready to share. we are ready to be this forefront of the whole european continent where destined to be here will not transfer a grant somewhere to another part of the world. so yes, probably this will be the case for very briefly, some experts in the west of suggested that what we're witnessing with the conflict in ukraine is the start of the 3rd world war 3rd world war between russia and the west. is that how you see this conflict? no, this is how would you see this conflict in his narrative? he's already fighting, not only with the whole west, not only with ne gardener, but probably with the most part of the world, except some countries who support in, you know, this is false russian narratives and probably this, this would be a visual thinking of russia. we are fighting with russia. we are fighting russian aggressive not great. we're starting to, we're struggling with that in the war to look in 2014. and it started the open face

in 2022. we are fighting by our or we don't have boots on the ground. our armed forces are fighting. yes, but a support of more than equipment, weapons, et cetera. but we are destined to fight lowana ware destined to win to sport. he has java. it's been a pleasure to have you on a comp exam. thank you very much indeed for your time. thank you. oh no. ah, with

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