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following the deadly bombings in 2002 plus 4 years. terrorism fees and inadequate infrastructure have put many people off visiting beautiful northern pakistan. but if it's to revive the tourism sick to seem to be paying off ah, i'm tired raid. thanks so much for joining us. it's been 20 years this week since the bali bombings in 2002 to bombs, ripped through a pair of packed bars in the district of kuta. it was indonesia is worst terror attack. sorento so yeah, it's scary. people up and everywhere. 202 people were killed in the bali bombings, mostly foreign tourists among them, ikea astray, lions. there was also

a huge amount of damage throughout the densely populated area where the attacks happened. many people were also injured some severely with extensive burns. the attacks killed people from 21 countries was the attacks were widely blamed on jama islam mere a se asia militant group with ties to al qaeda. now that led to huge a counter terrorism and di radicalization efforts from indonesia. though the number of terror attacks there has fallen, there are questions over whether these efforts were too aggressive and overreaching . our team followed one person who joined a di radicalization program and came out the other side living a farmer's life. something handle their handle could never have imagined possible. the 38 year old is raising some 4000 quails at this farm in pecosy west java. it's a complete turnaround from his previous life. like all workers at this farm said

mandel used to be part of a terrorist network. and isaac fighter, who was involved in several terror attacks in, in, in asia. he was arrested in 2016 and released 4 years later. i don't think i used to be like whoa, what's the latest weapon? how much is that young? now i run this quail farm out. kind of will. fernando is one of some 300 convicted terrorist in indonesia who over the last few years have decided to join a state sponsored di radicalization program. initially, the father of to refused to corporate science and nearly then i got to know some fellow convicts in jail who had cooperated with the entities in governments and had renounce violence extremism. they got me curious. a few weeks later i asked for access to the library and got it. i started to read that to change it and eventually mustered up the courage to pledge my allegiance to indonesia in 2018 c. the du radicalization program was established after the deadliest terrorist attack

in indonesia, history, the bali bomb being in 2000 and do the attack, kill 202 people, including 88 australians, one of the terrorists, convicted for that attack. bomb maker on my paddock also participated in the did radicalization program. he is about to be released on parole 7 years early, like other inmates, the former terrorist who was rewarded with a reduced sentence after joining the program. the locker room, the undergoes, had it done in a d radicalization program that the challenge is that it always needs to be tailor made take for instance m r per tech sung a you need to analyze his behavior in prison. if i understand his interests. yes. learn now what skills he has 2nd or that needs to be a salad i because so the d radicalization program works for him. and for other form a convex f x not be dental. this maria lane, experts agree that simply incarcerating indonesia,

some 500 convicted terrorists for life is not a long term solution. but as indonesia prisons fill up with new terrorist attorneys, the state we socialization program will soon need additional funding and got an angel's neighbor at the quill farm is certainly convinced that the future is worth one. 0, why don't get her ankle. we should embrace them. if we don't, they could go back to where they used to be like, we don't need to be harsh on them. we are all one people. after all, i'm, what am i i bought? well, initially, leona was nervous about his neighbors. now he is a frequent customer and often comes to the farm to buy quill eggs. he liked the state beliefs. the former context should be given as 2nd chance. let's go to barley now and speak with t w's asia pacific bureau chief, georg matters. i there d. org. this is

a really significant anniversary of the bali bombings many people, locals and foreigners have been battling trauma for many years now to decades. how are people there feeling this week? i would say essentially you have 2 groups of people. you have of course, those people who are not just physically but also mentally scarred for life. and i've talked job to a one person who said she will attend, but she will and she has mixed feelings for it. because even though i sent a sense of smoke as sometimes triggers panic attack, so she isn't sure how are coming back to the very site where the bumping happened for a memorial ceremony will affect her. and then on the other hand, you have people feel it has quite a healing feature that it is good for them to confront themselves. and to also see that life goes on. and that is something that many australians are though the nation that has been hardest hit with 88, i casualties in this terrible bombing. many australians have said,

let's return to barley a for this data in also to support the country that has suffered tremendously in the pandemic with tourism only recently bouncing back a little bit. d, all clear are commemorations of the valley botany bombings happening. of course, in barley, australia, to what exactly is planned? well, you have in leon street or the very place where the body bobbing happened a memorial apiece, memorial and there will be a peace prayer or tomorrow. there will also be a small ceremony at the australian consulate, urine, barley, in the morning. and then of course, across australia, you have a number of her memorial sites. are where there will be ceremonies. now, guild, these bombings in 2002, really through the problem of terrorism in, in indonesia, into the spotlight. could you talk to us a little bit more about the efforts that indonesia has made on counterterrorism

since then a quite a number of things here in indonesia or one or amongst them is aggressive police work or so. indonesians have been quite vigilant about, for instance, a indonesians citizens returning from syria or who went directly to jail ever since the body bomb being more than 1300 people were arrested on terrorism charges. so are quite herb effective police worker than we saw in the report. of course, the de radicalization. a program there is lately earned some criticism or regarding the fact that in aneesha has broadened or the aspect of, of terrorist organizations to non violent organizations. and some have said that that makes the target so white that there could be a political element or to it as well. so some people say that there does not exactly a help the mission to, to stop terrorism in bol, it been bali and across indonesia. and okay, now one of the main masterminds of the bali bombings is some one known as m. r.

partake, he's due to be paroled soon. how are people taking that well, you have, of course, those are amongst them. the indonesian government itself, who is very proud on its d radicalization program and, and say that there is no use in locking people up and throwing away the key. you have to d, radicalized people, and or my partner is one of those are prime examples, though that is celebrated a person that has celebrated as a success, deeply regrets or what he has done. and he wants her to convict others, other herb potential terrorists, and also people who are in jail with terrorism, suspect numbers rising and indonesia at that, this is the wrong path and they have to return to a peaceful, peaceful path. and then of course, you have those victims, whoever lost their loved ones for life and to argue, you know, releasing someone like him, especially, of course, around a special date like this one only

a hearts. and is also unfair. seeing that they have lost some one for life and, and he's getting out early. that was d. w. 's asia pacific bureau chief, georg matters speaking to us on the 20th anniversary of the bali bombings in 2002. georg, thanks very much, and we'll have a lot more coverage of the commemorations tomorrow in bali here on dw news and across all of our platforms. ah, will the bali bombings were a tragic example of how holiday makers and locals can be caught up in tension and conflict. tourism in pakistan also took a heat in the late 2 thousands after islamist militancy group to many parts of the country. for the past few years though, the government has been trying to revive the sector now. an increasing number of tourists are heading to northern pakistan, which is a region 9 fritz spectacular scenery, but also for its dangers. the stunning beauty of northern pakistan.

a mountain paradise. in a volatile region, despite a history of terrorist attacks, its become a growing attraction for international tourists. locals and visitors insist. it's one of the safest places in the country. her time again, the park of sun. i didn't know what to expect. a lot of people told me to be scared when i was here. i wasn't sure what to be scared of. but when i came here, after a few days of being nervous, i realized i felt safer here in pakistan than i do in the united states. the carefree atmosphere is set against the backdrop of political tensions. these eateries and hotels are close to the line of control, the hard edge of pakistan's dispute with india over kashmir. we understand that

sometime not safe to travel, but a clash of 2 different little teams. we are traveling, maybe not from free, have been traveling all over the world without any problems. and then we come here and we have to get like the, well, the interests you should watch and for everything like so. you can go in any hotels you want and we never knew where we are going to be the day after so we can apply and despite the security and infrastructure challenges for tourism many local operators believe pakistan has great potential in domestic to to them. but there's been a boom in domestic tourism in recent years. i think that the other region which tourism will pick up is the southern part. me a lot. she stant and seemed provinces her last week. but mainly in ballasa, stan, which is the hidden treasure of pakistan. but i didn't read

a box on and to discover those hidden treasures. it seems they'll always be foreign travelers willing to accept at least some level of risk. that seat for to day is more on d w dot com, forward slash asia on social media, dw news, and i'm at jarrett underscore, arrayed, pleased to get in touch. thanks so much for watching. see you again tomorrow with what's making the headlines and what's behind them. dw news africa, the show that faculty issues in the continent life is slowly getting back to normally on the streets to give you enough reports on the inside. our

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