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ready news with hackers and paralyzed me to your societies? computers that oh sure you and governments that go crazy for your data. we explain how these technologies work, how they can go in for and that's how they can also go terribly. watch it. now you to this is dw sasha, coming up today. how has indonesia fed on anti terrorism since the bali bombings 20 years ago this week, we'll meet a convicted terrorist who took part in state sponsored de radicalization and became a quail farmer. hundreds like him have also gone through the program, say top following the deadly bombings in 2002 plus 4 years. terrorism

fees and inadequate infrastructure have put many people off visit. user falls north in pakistan. but he efforts to revive the tourism sector. seem to be paying off. ah, i'm jared raid. thanks so much for joining us. it's been 20 years this week since the bali bombings in 2002 to bombs ripped through a pair of packed bars in the district of kuta. it was indonesia is worst terror attack. a scary and everywhere. 202 people were killed in the bali, bombings, mostly foreign tourists, among them, 88 australians. there was also a huge amount of damage throughout the densely populated area where the attacks

happened. many people were also injured, some severely with extensive burns. the attacks killed people from 21 countries. while the attacks were widely blamed on jama, islam, mia, southeast asian militant group with ties to al qaeda. now that led to huge counter terrorism and di radicalization. if it's from indonesia, though the number of terror attacks there has fallen, there are questions over whether these efforts were too aggressive and overreaching . our team followed one person who joined a di radicalization program and came out the other side living a farmer's life. something handles hernando could never have imagined possible. the 38 year old is raising some 4000 quills at this farm in because c, west java. it's a complete turnaround from his previous life. like all workers at this farm, fernando used to be part of a terrorist network, and i's his fighter,

who was involved in several t her attacks in indonesia. he was arrested in 2016 and released 4 years later. i'm on, i don't, i used to be like whoa, what's the latest weapon? how much is that? you have younger now i run this quail farm. my kind of will. fernando is one of some 300 convicted terrorist in indonesia who over the last few years have decided to join a state sponsor at di radicalization program. initially the father of to refused to corporate science and leave it. then i got to know some fellow convicts in jail who had cooperated with the indonesian government and had renounced violent extremism. they got me curious, why a few weeks later i asked for access to the library and got it. i started to read that to change it and eventually mustered up the courage to pledge my allegiance to indonesia in 2018 the see. the de radicalization program was established after the

deadliest terrace attack an initial history. the bali bomb being in 2002. the attack killed $202.00 people, including $88.00 australians, one of the terrorists, convicted for that attack. bomb maker on my paddock also participated ended radicalization program. he is about to be released on parole 7 years early like other inmates. the former terrorist was rewarded with a reduced sentence after joining the program. the lumber rumbly undergoes as it and in a d radicalization program that the challenge is that it always needs to be tailor made take for instance m r per tech sung a you need to analyze his behavior in prison. understand his interests. yes. learn neither. what skills he has yet on or that needs to be a set it up again. so the d. radicalization program works for him and for other form a convex f x not beat that on his me and lane. experts agree that simply incarcerating

initiate some 500 convicted terrorists for life is not a long term solution. but as indonesia prisons, philip with new terrorist attorneys, the state we socialization program will soon need additional funding. henry fernando's neighbor at the quill farm is certainly convinced that the project is worth one. 0, i will give her ankle. we should embrace them. if we don't, they could go back to where they used to be like, we don't need to be harsh on them. we are all one people. after all, i'm, what am i at the moment initially we'll, you know, was nervous about his neighbors. now, he is a frequent customer and often comes to the farm to buy quill eggs. he liked the state beliefs. the former convicts should be given as 2nd chance. let's go to barley now and speak with d w's asia pacific bureau chief doug matters. either georg, this is a really significant anniversary of the bali bombings many people,

locals and foreigners have been battling trauma for many years. now to decades a how a people they're feeling this week i would say essentially you have 2 groups of people. you have of course, those people who are not just physically, but also mentally scarred for life. and i've talked to her to a one person who said she will attend, but she will if she has mixed feelings for it. because even though i sent a sense of, of smoke and sometimes triggers panic attack, so she isn't sure how are coming back to the very site where the bumping happened for a memorial ceremony will affect her. and then on the other hand, you have people feel it has quite a healing feature that it is good for them to confront themselves. and to also see that life goes on. and that is something that many australians heard that the nation that has been hardest hit with 88 a casualties in this terrible bombing. many australians have said,

let's return to barley a for this data in also to support the country that has suffered tremendously independently with tourism only recently bouncing back a little bit. and guild, there are commemorations of the bali bombing bombings happening, of course, in barley, australia, to what exactly is planned? well, you have in leon street or the very place where the body bumping happened a memorial apiece, memorial and there will be a piece prayer or tomorrow. there will also be a small ceremony at the australian consulate. you're in barley in the morning. and then of course, across australia you have a number of her memorial sites are where there will be ceremonies. now, guild, these bombings in 2002, really through the problem of terrorism in, in indonesia, into the spotlight. could you talk to a little bit more about the efforts that indonesia has made on counterterrorism

since then? a quite a number of things here in indonesia, one a amongst them is aggressive police work. i saw indonesians have been quite vigilant about, for instance, a indonesians citizens returning from syria or who went directly to jail ever since the body bomb being more than a 1300 people were arrested on terrorism charges. so quite herb, effective police worker. then we saw in the report of course, the de radicalization, a program. there is lately, some criticism, a regarding the fact that in anesha has broadened the aspect of, of terrorist organizations to nonviolent organizations. and some have said that that makes the target so white that there could be a political element a to it as well. so some people say that that does not exactly a help the mission to, to stop terrorism in bol, it been body and across indonesia. okay, now one of the main masterminds of the bali bombings is someone known as emma

partake. he's due to be paroled soon. how are people taking that well, you have, of course, those are amongst them. the indonesian government itself, who is very proud on its d. radicalization program and, and say that there is no use in locking people up and throwing away the key. you have to d, radicalized people, and my partner is one of those are prime examples, though that is celebrated a person that has celebrated as a success. deeply regrets or what he has done and he wants to convict others, other potential terrorists. and also people who are in jail with terrorism, suspect numbers rising and indonesia at that this is the wrong path and they have to return to a peaceful, peaceful path. and then of course, you have those victims, whoever lost their loved ones for life and to argue, you know, releasing someone like him, especially, of course, around as a special date like this one only or hurts. and he's also unfair. seeing that they

have lost some one for life and, and he's getting out early. that was d. w. 's asia pacific bureau chief, georg matters speaking to us on the 20th anniversary of the bali bombings in 2002. georg, thanks very much, and we'll have a lot more coverage of the commemoration tomorrow in bali here on dw news and across all of our platforms. ah, will the bali bombings were a tragic example of how holiday makers and locals can be caught up in tension and conflict. tourism in pakistan also took a heat in the late 2 thousands after islamist militancy group to many parts of the country. for the past few years though, the government has been trying to revive the sector now. an increasing number of tourists are heading to northern pakistan, which is a region 9 for it spectacular scenery, but also for its dangers. the stunning beauty of northern pakistan.

a mountain paradise. in a volatile region. despite a history of terrorist attacks its become a growing attraction for international tourists. locals and visitors insist. it's one of the safest places in the country. first time again to pakistan, i didn't know what to expect. a lot of people told me to be scared when i was here, and i wasn't sure what to be scared of. but when i came here, after a few days of being nervous, i realize i felt safer here in pakistan than i do in the united states. the care free atmosphere is set against the backdrop of political tensions. these eateries and hotels are close to the line of control, the hard edge of pakistan's dispute with india rubber kashmir. we understand that

sometime not safe to travel, but a clash of 2 different worlds. we are traveling, maybe naive, i'm free. have been traveling all over the world without any problems. and then we come here and we have to get like, well, this interest you should watch out for everything. so you can go in any hotels you want and we never knew where we are going to be the day after. so we can plan everything despite the security and infrastructure challenges for tourism. many local operators believe pakistan has great potential in domestic to to them. but there's been a boom in domestic tourism in recent years. i think that the other region which will pick up is the southern part me a lot. she stant and seemed provinces her last week. but mainly in ballasa, stan, which is the hidden treasure of pakistan. but i didn't read

a box on and to discover those hidden treasures. it seems they'll always be foreign travelers willing to accept at least some level of risk that seat for to day there is more on d w dot com, forward slash asia on social media at dw news. and i'm at jarrett underscore. arrayed. please to getting touch. thanks so much for watching. see you again tomorrow with a sports limos and sports cars, housey and b, m. w with the electric, a fake evans future competition against the combustion engine.

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