tv The Day Deutsche Welle October 19, 2022 12:02am-12:31am CEST
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ah, ah, it's been just over a week since russia shifted its focus from the front lines and turned all of ukraine into a potential battlefield. a close to $200.00 aerial attacks launched since then, have killed dozens, and crippled ukraine's critical infrastructure. president zalinski says 30 percent of his country's power stations have been destroyed, leaving over a 1000 villages and towns across the country in the dark pressure as rising as temperatures start to drop. to night we ask, how can ukraine survive the winter, uncle foolish? and this is the day, ah,
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vargas destroyed the whole improve for you bring in some cities in regions of ukraine. we need to limit the supply of electricity through sir dahl sometimes in overhauls or no like people with less to go do it, resolve electricity, and use the electricity. no gas, it's been this way for a long time, 7 months now. the world war for me to come in for double throw on also, on the show, a distress call out of haiti, powerful armed gangs, shortages of basic goods, and a ramp and cholera outbreak have become too much for the government to handle. now the u. n. is considering an armed intervention. colleagues, if there was ever a moment to come to the aid of haitians in dire need, it is now katy's leaders and people are crying out for help. awe.
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thanks for joining us. ukraine is calling. it's another kind of terrorist attacks russian forces continue their onslaught against critical infrastructure. nationwide president voluntary zalinski says the attacks which intensified last week have destroyed nearly a 3rd of ukraine's power stations. keith is now formally asking for more robust help from israel as nato rushes to deliver air defense systems to help intercept the swarms of iranian made drones striking targets far beyond the front lines in the capital cave and across the country. officials in the southern ukrainian city of mc alive, pull a man's body from the rubble. a russian massage killed him as he hid in the basement. his shock neighbor recalls the moment of impact
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risk with not to didn't move for us. we woke up at quarter to 2 in the morning because of a very loud explosion. it's impossible to describe the so much dust we were in the basement. we crawled out through openings in the ground. our neighbor died. unfortunately, he was a bit closer to the e p center while we were a bit farther away listen, throws conduction for many ukrainians. the past 8 months have been a seemingly endless series of horrors. but one resident to comfort and the belief that his country holds the moral high ground. no matter how much suffering moscow piles on them. in the villages of the woods that the russians get pleasure from us, feeling bad, boucher to lucy the more they feel pleased to her job. really. i think they want us
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to bomb and shell their buildings. and so on, e 3, lou had us. but we won't that mom, so we can show that we're different from them. william did, so we're still boy at lee shots. actually civilian residences aren't the only buildings targeted by the kremlin. russian forces also seem determined to knock out the country's energy grid. according to the mayor of the city of shits, amir airstrikes on the power plant there left 11th settlements without power, while russia denies deliberately attacking civilians, it says it's targeting ukraine's energy infrastructure, meaning millions could be left to face the coming winter without heat or power. and i can now welcome james hudson. he is the co founder of the economists or ukraine group and joins us from berkeley, california. welcome to the dave, mr. hudson. large parts of ukraine's power infrastructure have been destroyed in a single week. some places are currently even without water. how dangerous is that
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for the country? oh, thank you. nicole. it's great to be back on the show now. yeah, it's hard to understate how dangerous it is for a country to lose this much energy infrastructure in such a short period of time. it's obviously going to put a lot of pressure on the emergency forces and on the energy services within the country to replace repair and find alternatives in many places. now ukraine is a country that gets very cold in the winter. it's a continental climate and cold causes death, cold causes, increase illness and other complications and society. we're going to see businesses in schools that can operate even more than, than they have in the past. and it will also impact areas like food logistics, which become more fragile over time. however, i think that the economic angle is especially important to,
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to consider in this case, which is that the ukrainians have been talking for awhile about the need to get people back to the cities, get them back to work, get them back to paying taxes, get them back to normal life. and the biggest reason why these attacks are happening now is to prevent that from happening prevent the return of any kind of stability in corners of ukraine that we're getting used to some semblance of normalcy over the past couple of months with a 3rd of power stations affected after a week, doing very simple math here. that means that russia could take out the rest and another 2 weeks basically, is that a likely scenario? ok, so, so the nature of energy grids is a little bit more complex than that kind of a linear relationship. with the removal of these nodes. so it's unlikely that you
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know, if you take out a 3rd and one week, you take out the full amount in 3 weeks. that's fair, very, very resilient. and actually i was lucky enough just 4 weeks ago to be in key evans speak with the minister of energy and minister for infrastructure. and i do believe that the ukrainian energy grid and encompassing all different energy sources and also on that under circumstances of last week, for instance, selling energy to europe. and in fact, having a long history of selling excess energy to others. i think that the grid is more resilient than we give it credit for. however, what we need to take into consideration is that these iranian drones are cheap and the ukrainians are shooting them down with expensive western provided missiles systems. if i had to guess the russians are playing the game of trying to burn down the supply of western provided miss isles, in order to then take on potential,
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potentially much more damaging and broader strikes that could take out large portions of energy and other critical infrastructure with their own dwindling suppliers of guided missiles. and of course, that brings up the whole conversation about the importance of ad defenses and effectively closing the skies, which is what i believe we've been saying for 7 months at this point at all. we've now seen in ukraine, formally asking for help from israel actually to boost its air defense capabilities . to thing israel will get involved in a more robust way. i. it would be very difficult for me to take a, you know, a strong position in terms of my knowledge of israel and it's, and it's history that i think is we'll just have to wait and see what israel does in this situation. i think the moral prerogative at this point clearly states that
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they need to be doing more than they have been doing. ah, but the moral prerogative is often not the one that is most important when countries are making decisions. unfortunately, that is unfortunately correct. and you know, ukraine very well and you have come to know and even better throughout this conflict and over the past 8 months, the people of ukraine have become masters of rebuilding. what russia destroy is often in a matter of days, how can they go about fixing these bass damages to the critical infrastructure, presumably, you know, at times without power. yeah, and of course you can't really train for this, although the emergency services are supported also by teams across europe and the europeans are doing a fantastic job. also enabling kind of the selling of spare parts and kind of infrastructure enabling components that can help to re enable some of these
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substations. but when you're doing this under circumstances of continued attack, right it, it changes the dynamics of the situation. now the ukrainians are very good at creating temporary infrastructure. they're very good at plugging gaps. they've done a fantastic job interconnecting the infrastructure more over the past few months, which does make it more resilient. i think what we need to see is the u. s. u k. and others stepping up to ensure that ukraine has all of the replacement parts, that it needs, that it has the manpower that it needs in order to carry out the emergency repairs . and moreover, if there are ways for us to help ukraine to protect this new infrastructure and the repairs that they do, that's going to be extremely important. now, as i mentioned when i was in key, i did get to see
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a few places around the city and it was incredible to see the resilience of the population and how quickly they've been able to get back on their feet. clear the streets get critical services running in 2 days. i went to 2 different restaurants that were open than the last 2 months. so this is a people that is definitely not giving up and that will continue to, to innovate and to develop james houghton of economists for ukraine there. thank you so much, mr. hutton. thank you. and with those concerns over ukraine's energy infrastructure, we have news from the investigation into leaks in the north stream gas pipelines supplying western europe. danish police now say those leaks route caused by powerful explosions which did extensive damage. footage shows at least 50 meters of the under water pipeline is missing. the case is being treated as an act of
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sabotage. today the kremlin said the investigation was being tailored to put the blame on russia. moscow accuses the west of being behind the explosions. ah. turning now to the situation in haiti where the united nation says more than 7000000 people, a 3rd of the population are facing food and security. on top of that, a shortage of clean water has also led to a cholera outbreak. both food and water are running low because there is no fuel for delivery trucks due to a poor blockade by powerful gangs, calls for foreign intervention to ease the crisis are only adding to the tensions police fire tear gas and protesters near the u. s. embassy in the capital portal process, some wave the russian flag, they reject foreign interference and say they fear for their country sovereignty.
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now despite popular opposition, haiti's government has appealed for international troops to quell the chaos and restore order and an emergency meeting of the un security council. haiti's foreign minister brought what he called a cry of distress from his people. last, did you asked you are goes, the situation has dangerously deteriorated. this even mama, you terrible events are taking place every day of june. the bill, human lives are being lost, did not being dark kidnappings with new public and private property being destroyed . oh, there are rapes. yes. to now looting the death threats and intimidation to keep growing. this plunges the country further into chaos. with extremely serious consequences for every one loves you. the united states and mexico now say they are preparing a un resolution to authorize an international mission. un secretary general and tony would cherish back the call for intervention. saying haitians faced a dramatic emergency. it's an absolutely nightmarish situation
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for the population of 80 specially portico for us. we needs an armed action to release the port until all for you when he said and quoted law to be established . i'm talking of something to be done in support of the asian police and i'm talking of something to be done based on strict humanitarian criteria. the security council is split on the matter and a vote on the resolution has not yet been scheduled, but there is still plenty to talk about. and for that i want to bring in pascal robert. he is a hasan american writer and co host of the podcast. this is revolution. he joins us from miami, florida. welcome, mr. robert. this is a fairly unusual move by the haitian government. how do we get here? well, thank you very much. i me on the 1st thing with understand. the major reason we're here is a consequence of the assassination of the former. a presidential anomalies was
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assassinated on july 7th, 2021. and afterwards, united states put in an elective government that was not chosen by the asian people, which is the current administration. only, and much of the actual on risk that exists in the country, stems from the fact from large segments of the population. not recognizing him as authority as a governor of the affairs of the people. because i see him as completely as being told on of the state department and being unable to dictate the face of the country and his concert and current requests to have us from a dimension as he's done just now, indicate that these things are correct. so in terms of the actual problem we have in the countries that we have pretty much a government that is illegitimate in the as a large segment of the population. there is a country that has not had an election in 6 years trying to determine the fear by stumbling the people that put him in power in the 1st place. at the weakness of
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this government that is seen as illegitimate by many people in haiti has led to the rise of the gangs. how powerful are they? the questions asked about the games is not so much other than who's financing them . explain to me how to so call for individuals who are living in port print or getting weapons shipped to them by for, from florida all the way into the capitol. whose financing them, who has the money to do sort of thing. and the question then becomes the, are the people with the nation oligarchy or the nation 5 private sector, or maybe former members of asian government official them were interested in trying to destabilize a quarter to the point where they cannot be election l. so that there's no real actual democratic representation of the voice of the people. and the only consequence is that the united states and the core group and other for it, for an international actors who have a parasitic relationship with the country. going back to what the inception can
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come in and find a way to rational, basically undermine the sovereignty of the haitian people even further. that's why i kind of resent the notion that will make the statement that he is a fail state, maybe is going to fail state in a state that have been failed by the international community. what would the international community have to do in your opinion, to assist the people that are going through through economic hardship that are now suffering the conditions that you know were created by, by to much us history. i think that the 1st thing that has to be done, we have to realize that we have an illegitimate. he's going to sitting in the seat of power in the country. and it should be a provisional government for the, for the various political parties and civil society that can come together and govern with the strict mandate to hold an election within a year's time and maintain security on in the country. to do that, they ask you to be the capacity of maintaining some kind of military supervision by
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haitian police authorities over the game territories. so that i would submit the international community could help us by secondarily, but are seeing the international police, the internal police force and 80 by providing the weapons and arms trading that on demand. again at best, that is the most general issue. i would agree to having with the national community when we're consider it a long history. i want to money. i would use the un had peacekeepers in haiti for more than a decade. and the mission was now marked by scandals ranging from blue helmets, causing a color out and break a gang raping a teenager. it's quite understandable that people are on the fence about international intervention. is there any kind of outside assistance that patients would accept? i mean, the thing is though, the question becomes when people say things like that,
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when the question you asked, what is a track record of the international community? once they have come and put their boots on the ground and 80. and when you look quite carefully, you'll see that what they have is abuse, misused, mystery, and even infect. patients would color at one point what the last one was that it just did of years ago, the last 5 years ago. excuse me. so the question becomes, all haitians somewhat irrational when you say, well ok was you tell us that we can go well. so what exactly is a track record you have when you come to the north shore and try to governor affairs is supposedly for us in terms of what you do are people. all right, but there is an acute crisis right now. what can be done to help those in need? what can be done, is that what are the steps that necessary or can one make sure that we have a gentleman, haitian government and realized the provisional council government removing audio.
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we should be the 1st step. he should know he's, he's not recognized by the people and he's not going to be able to do anything that's going to be it will bring order to go to the country. so provisional, collective government was very political parties coming together with the particular intention of sponsoring election within a 5 year. within one year of its mandate should be implemented to a security force budgeting, the support of days of international forces during ation. police authorities the what really necessary to investigate the gangs with the secondary support of international offices, if necessary, should be put in the power without giving them the overall, say in terms of how they're there. or we're going to have to leave it there for us . call, thank you so much for your time tonight. they do ah . the democratic republic of congo is home to mines containing some of the purest gold in the world. but while consumers and richer countries are prepared to pay
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high prices for a finished product, the men who lined this precious commodity are paying a different kind of price. extortion and rights abuses are rife at the d. r. c. gold mines which are controlled by a brewed all rebel group, access to a foreign journalist, has been restricted until now, but a joint investigation with german news weekly dish fiegel has resulted. and he w. maryan mila, being allowed in. this gold may gleam brightly, but it is stained red with blood. people likely died for this precious metal destined for the rich world's finest juries. the democratic republic of the congo has some of the purest gold in the world. but experts say almost all of it smuggled out of the country illegally. that often means links to armed groups and human rights abuses. it all starts here in suffocating the hot tunnels that hit up to 40 degrees celsius. young man scrape out the gold bearing rock. they earn
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barely enough to survive on for fear of reprisals. this man wants to remain anonymous. when you go to work, you just pray to god because we're feeling like it's a death sentence. oh, often it is when the minds cave in 6 years ago, more than 20 people were buried alive. will you, grandma? i was there with my 3 brothers, and other miners who shall go. all of them were trapped inside the mind now being renovated even now. their bodies are still inside. when i was sad bows really down, then it was nice, but i can't be sad for long. i have to earn a living. i then it was when it's done, i do new my eyes and stuff with them. and on top of that, this mine is controlled by an armed group, the my, my, yeah, catawba, according to a recent un report, the rebels demand what they call taxes from each worker. it beat me up with an iron rod because i couldn't pay that tax. they threw me into
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a mud hole for days with no food. i was imprison there with 6 other people. he lost 10 kilograms. he says other minors tell us similar stories. they say that my my and never, far, even now they're hiding further up the mountain because they were informed we were coming. this is the 1st time journalists have access. this mine the both the, my, my younger timber and local government officials declined our interview requests. it's widely known that the rebels often work together with local authorities and even shap profits with them. but with the money they also finance, brutal attacks on an ethnic group who they see as their main enemy. the my, my claim, the bunny lender don't belong to the d r c. so they burned down their villages, rape and kill. scores of people east and under were survived one of these attacks valid concern. they found us at the place where we had saw
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a refuge and they killed 3 people now and then they murder my father in law and injured my mother in law night called me. both of them were over 80. she says she and her family were forced to march for days with no food. then they took her husband. she never saw him again. later, she learned he was hacked to death with a machete. they killed thousands displays hundreds. now is that safe? sheltering at a friend's house, rebel control of the minds means conflict go. but that's not deterring this business man. the purity of the precious metal has convinced him soon he plans to open the 1st gold refinery in the country and export from d r. c, to europe and america. at the moment we are discussing a lot with the government. they, we check all our to them. war coming to work here. we will,
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they will try and trace how is going on, and maybe it will help. i hope it will help, but ensuring authenticity will be difficult. traitors tell us. they fake certificates to hide. the real origin of the gold is done under who are i can only appeal for an end to the trade and blood call. i can. i mean us? yeah. but i, my, my go to white people to buy weapons. so that is why i sell the gold i live. me know, is i, i want to tell these white people to stop buying from them but, but so they don't kill us will least until well that is the, it is a simple equation. as long as arm groups can re, profits from gold mining, they will keep earning the cash to kill and that's for time for today, but as always, the conversation continues online. you'll find us on twitter at dw news and myself,
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