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i love these once you visit your never forget it of course, between transformation and exploitation patter combines to modern day present. with the traditional past. none of my friends has died. that sort of thing does happen some times between education and tradition. between cosmopolitan fleer and captivated wilderness. the portrait of the desert to state full of contradictions. guitar starts november 11th on d. w. for death of a young iranian woman in police custody, a sponsor weeks of violent protest in iran and around the world. the u. n. an independent human rights groups of accused arabians security forces of brutal suppression. where does that leave attempts to restart the 2015 nuclear deal,
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which the us says is no longer their focus mohammed mirandi, professor to round university and political analyst. but we all know that the whole process is politicized. but the iranians are what more than willing to solve the issue if the americans are determined to have a deal. dr. mirandi blames the western nato for aggravating the protest. and how catalogue of aggression against iran and other countries in the region, and to stay around denies supplying drones to moscow. who site does he take in the ukraine, russia war? ah, mohammed moran, the welcome to come pick zone. a couple of weeks ago you tried to minimize the importance of the whole protest movement in iran. you said it had died down after 3 or 4 days. and that wasn't true, was it? because 2 days ago and 6 weeks since they began, the protest were reported and at least 7 cities, including mashhad, iraq,
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because i had gone my bud and parts of a wrong, they're not dying down it all of a. know i didn't try to do anything. i said the truth, the protest in the 1st couple of days who are larger and they were in different cities. and they were partially because a persian language media in london mostly, but also in other western countries lied at the very beginning. and they claimed that the young lady massa was beaten to death. and so many people thought that this was a case of police brutality. i also thought that that may have been the case, but then laid around later on the footage came out and it showed that she had left the police van. she wasn't even handcuffed. she wasn't holding her head, she didn't show any signs of physical pain. she went into a hall and sat there, and after a while she stood up, spoke to someone,
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and then suddenly collapse the autopsy. what showed there are many physicians involved, that there was no physical abuse. and even there's a clip of her father beside her body where he said that there is no sign of abuse. so persian language, media funded by western government and the saudis, many of them base in london were provoking to be run in public. but after a few days, the protest died down, but then we had the rise of very violent riots. and that's exactly what i said. well, let's talk about the violence in the right. the un committee has had un committee on the rights of the child has had plenty to say about that. it strongly condemned what he called grave violations of children's rights in iran. according to reliable reports of some children, was shot with live ammunition. others died as a result of beatings. many families reported that despite grieving for the loss of
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a child, they were pressured to absolve security forces by declaring that children had committed suicide and making false confessions. that's a pretty sick tactic for your government to employ, isn't it? no, that's a pretty thick tactic for the western media. and any institutions that are on the, under the influence of the western media to use, we're talking about the u. k. on the rights of hey dialed when we committed. we're talking about a un committee. let's not watching that. let him, let's not talk about any un committee. let's talk about the un and how they put the saudis on the blacklist and remove them 72 hours later. the u. s. has no credibility here. and this is, this is fake. the, the claim to i, i've tweeted about this the, the number of police officers that were murdered over the last few weeks at the instigation of media base in your countries. they are,
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they are roughly 28 or 29. some of them were shot with guns. don't talk, let's not talk about fake news. all these young children being killed all over the place. that's nonsense. show. show me the footage. why. why not? instead of these organizations that are funded by the united states. why, why is it known to his an organization? and i don't know what that will be funded by the and i just say this last weekend, the coordinating council of teachers in iran code for a nationwide strike to protest the crackdown on children that same teachers organization said playing close police attacked. the shy had school in the northwest at that bill, province, 10 pupils were injured badly enough to be hospitalized. parents of the children were also attacked. you really think that your government going off the children and killing i'm the numbers of demonstrators is going to stop this on rest. so you're withdrawing the fake claim. i'm not going to kill that. that school,
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right. i'm not with joy. yeah. the media, the claim in the, the claim in the western media, the filthy claim in the western media and the filthy claim and the person language, media funded by your government. your government was that a girl was murdered at that school and then it turned out that that girl didn't even go to that school. and she died because of found of a family tragedy. but your government and those iranian organize, it are so called iranian organization, funded by your government in the west, make such fake claims so that the global public opinion would turn against iran. and they make those claims in iran because you have more person language media directed towards iranians. and iranian government has so when you're emmy k terrace organization, that's based in europe and has a huge camp in albania,
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with thousands of people. he being acting as trolls their day and these people they fought alongside saddam hussein against their own country. they killed 70000 iranians during the 1982 a fascination attacks through bomb attacks. these are the people who are spreading on the side on mine, i know to your governments. i notice you don't want to address the violence and the violence which and the brutality of some of your security forces amnesty. and last time i with address i'm the international has reported widespread torture, severe beatings of protest as an onlookers, even sexual violence against women by your security forces. you think the people will forgive the leaders for this shocking brutality. know people will not forgive your leaders for interfering in our internal affairs and for anyone else in
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person language media. i'm speaking tim, i'm speaking don't try to run out the clock. so it's your persian language media and your troll farms and your governments that are spreading misinformation both in persian and in english across the globe the that the police officers that were killed in iran, $28.00 or 29 police officers. as far as i know during that period were killed people who are policing the streets. if you have such numbers were killed in your country, what would be the response of your government? but what, what your persian language media was doing during this period with encouraging people rioters, to attack the police to get revenge, as they called it on police. they were telling, telling people to make molotov cocktails, if off come, if this, if any of this was an english. and if it was directed to an english audience off. com which shut down those tv stations within minutes. but in your case,
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you can use it against your own because your governments are waging war against the writing people. your governments don't give a damn about human rights. your governments are the ones who impose maximum pressure on women and children in this country and try to starve them to death. and then use media warfare against the country to create divisions. don't, don't come around the mirandi talk of running out of the clock. i've given you a couple of minutes to 3 minutes. isn't a time to face facts that iranians and a lot of the iranians are angry at your government. the head of iran, semi official, is pub polling center. maggie buddy says a considerable majority of iranians. how about anger towards the islamic republic? a factor he says, which is at a dangerous level, every time that be widespread protests they said, subside only superficially, while the anger piles up, none of this is going away, is it? none of this is going away and you say it's all the west fault. come on,
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tim. we have we have many holding institutions in iran and western pulling institutions. and the popular legitimacy of the family republic of iran is 2nd to none in this region. your despotic allies in this region tell more than enough about your government. any iran just 3 years ago, less than 3 years ago after your leader, you're the leader of the so called free world murder general. so the money we saw how many millions of people went to the streets in teheran. so let's not pretend that the truth is anything that it is. let's, let's speak fact. of course, there is dissatisfaction in iran. there's always this sad excess dissatisfaction in iran. you can go into taxi now, 5 years ago, 10 years ago, you can spend your time in terror on that. exactly the fact that it shows the fact that any wrong people can speak their mind. but can they do that in saudi arabia?
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can they do that? in many other parts of the world, can people like me to easily do that and get a job in your government in your country? why do you keep putting it out? why do you play the? what about gay? what about in britain? what about saudi arabia? why don't we just stay with iran? is that so difficult? now i told you and tell me about you. yeah, not because you know when that use chemical when you are, yes, we are because you have no credibility. you do, you work for the german government funds, your channels, you sent me get you think you get rock, government. got me. why don't the on the international space, really, these protests that you said died down have now spread out. really. they are not to actors sing, you're not. the people who are admired,
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followed and have nothing to do with policy. why? oh, you're not in the top and inside him i the we're not in our league. you're not in our lea. don't run out the cock him, you're not in our league, your government, the government that funds you that gives you the opportunities to speak to me. your government, gas, me twice. where, where, where are you? you are working at the b, b, c. back then you in your thirties, when i was gas wise, where were you when they were gas? you don't talk about credibility. you don't have credibility, your television station doesn't have credibility. your government doesn't have credibility in the european union, doesn't have credibility. so don't talk down to iran, you like joseph for out. you take care of your guardian and we'll live in our jungle. you're entitled to your views, doctor mandy. but even among your own politicians, we're seeing the 1st signs of open descent over the government methods with these
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demonstrations form, a speaker parliamentary larry johnny questioning the use of force saying the police should not be used to encourage the wearing of the hey job. he's calling for a cultural solution. iranian society, he said, needs more tolerance. don't you agree with that? so you're admitting that any iran we have open debate. so you're admitting that we have all sorts of voices in iran. so you're admitting that we have different people who argue with iran and fight with each other in parliament outside of parliament in government at universities. yes, that is a part of you run it. that has always been a part of iran posts revolution, not pre, but i will revolution when your guys were in charge. but post revolution in fact, and this is something that will continue, but you can continue as you have been, as your colleagues have been. as western media has been saying for the last 4 years, that this nomic republic of iran is about to implode. it is corrupt that is unpopular people hated is collapsing, of course, iraq and paradoxically, it's also
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a growing menace. i don't know how, how you can have both at the same time, whether it's on the one hand, it's unpopular, it's hated and it's collapsing. but on the other hand, it's a growing menace and a growing threat to the world, but for, for decades now, iran has been about to collapse. and i think for the next 4 decades, we're going to be hearing the same wishful thinking in the western media and western thing tanks again. but let me try putting the question again. don't you think iranian society needs more tolerance? it's that simple. grab an answer. iranian society, iranian society always needs more tolerance. iranian society that needs better government management. iranian society always deserves better. and that's what we have to strive to do. and so does your society and your society needs more tolerance in your society should show a and your government should show a bit of humility and apologize for the crimes that it is committed to my people.
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and people like yourself should show more tolerance and have more open mind about those of us who live in the jungle. oh play as burrell says, oh, please don't, don't take the moral high ground when your government is supporting. marsha, i'll aside in syria. oh, i have been one of the biggest killers and torture is in the middle. you speak, please don't take the moral high ground. dr. mirandi. i think you'll find that difficult. you're revolutionary. oh, well, i don't read you. there's no one out the clock. could you put a question to you and i put a question to your revolutionary god, does you, did you already did all the protests as sedition? major general, how saying seller me this addition will be a stillborn baby and will go down in history as a disgrace. for america, how helpful do you think that is in trying to address legitimate grievances of people? don't make
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a point and then change the topic so you can get away with it. your government. when nato supported al qaeda in 2011 and 12. when i went to the western media and said that our car fight is fighting. and they said that they said, these are conspiracy theories. this is nonsense. well, later on we saw wiki leaks, who had is now in jail. the most famous political prisoner in the world. in london wiki league said that according to j. sullivan, the current nation, us national security advisor, he sent an email to hillary clinton, the head of the state department. at that time, that in syria archive is on our side. know that your government and your government said that the worst murderers in human history and in contemporary history. then we have the, the u. s. defense intelligence agency, document of 2012. we set a solid entity, regional countries ally to the united states are trying to create
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a solace entity between syrian rock. while who, what is that, what was that entity? it was isis. and then general flynn, at that time said that the, that they were determined and the united states allowed for that entity. okay. you know, be okay. john you know, know that and let me get a question. let me finish. let me finish. not a lecture. no, let me finish. i asked you to share. you don't want them done that in a private conversation, you're afraid you won't. you're afraid questions. go ask your question my, my well you're right. my question for you. we lead back on damascus. that could have been a different approach by the governor to this on rescue. the, like the one suggested by 5, leading iranian economists earlier this month, who said the authorities should listen to the demonstrators and prepare for fundamental change. is there anybody inside the government who is preparing for
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fundamental change in your view? first of all, when going back to the previous question, the garth and whoever and anyone else who spoke about sedition, they were not talking about protesters. so don't try to twist their words. they were talking about those groups that are funded by the united states in iraqi kurdistan, that they have military camps there and they carry out operations in iran. they are talking about those organizations alongside the no man's land and pockets on baluchistan that fund are funded by your government or the united states and its allies and carry out operations in iran. they're talking about those m u k. terris, that your government allow to function across europe that have killed many thousands of you run in and acted as foot soldiers for saddam hussein who are active in iran by their own own admission. so they're talking about that sedition.
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so all right, all right. if you say you've had, you've had other you've, you've flung around all the accusations, you haven't provided any evidence at all. let's talk if we may about the nuclear issue because you've been an advisor to the government on the nuclear issue. in your view, is this the end of the road for negotiations? we have the u. s, saying, but they simply don't believe that iran is prepared to do what's necessary to make the deal happen. in your view, is that the end of the road for the negotiations, while the well tim, who left the deal, who violated the deal, obama violated the deal when iran was carrying out all of its commitments. then trump tore up the deal when iran was carrying out all its commitments, then biting continue to pursue trans policies. so it wasn't iran fault. iran
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began negotiating to make sure the loopholes that existed, that, that, that existed in the past. after 2015 were removed from the united states could not cheat iran again. they negotiated hard gain, many confessions. finally, on the last day of negotiations in vienna, the e, you gave a text that meant a lot of iran key demands. and the iranians took it home, they gave their ideas about some of the problems that need to be resolved. and joseph bordeaux admitted the u. s. ally joseph, we're all admitted that the iranian demands were reasonable. we thought at that time we had to deal, but the united states delayed and then gave a response that was obviously intended to push things back. probably we thought back then because of the november elections. so the problem is not the united states. and by the way, you run it at the european europeans and americans were constantly saying that it's
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almost too late. the iranian nuclear program is crossing a threshold beyond this particular date. we can no longer continue negotiation, but they're all gone now. where what happened? it was obvious, they were lying, they knew that the way that iran was not developing a bomb, but it was all psychological warfare. the un says you still not provided credible explanations for the presence of uranium at 3 locations that were never declared. and you just say it's time to close the false file. do you enjoy playing these kind of games with the international community? well, tim, 1st of all is not the international community. it's western countries. you are not the international community. your guardian is only a small part of the international community. iranians have said that we are prepared to respond to all of the questions. but the problem is that the i a, in the i a has a board of governors that is dominated by western countries. and the head of the i
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a is someone that's always in the western count, the previous head of the i a when he wants to get elected. and let's go back to wiki weeks. according to weekly the documents, he told the americans, if you put me in power, i will be in your camp on all major issues. so the iranians are saying, take away the politics and bring in the technical experts and if and the issues can easily be resolved, these issues that you are claiming were given by this railey regime to the i a and these issues go back 20 some years ago. when the iranian nuclear program was taking baby steps, it was nothing compared to what it was today, what it is today. so we all know that the whole process is politicized. but the iranians are what more than willing to solve the issue. if the americans are determined to have a deal, you said you were asked why iran is enriching uranium at 60 percent
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levels. what the i a said levels that are reached only by countries that i'm making nuclear bombs. and you say iran does that in order to get leverage in the talks. let's call that what it really is. it's not leverage. it's a threat of urine sample. it's a threat, isn't it pure and simple. if you don't get what you want, you'll build a bomb despite all the assurances that you've given that you don't intend to do that. no to, you know, do you know what a threat is? a threat is when your government say all options on the table. a threat is when your country's, your government threatened to kill our people, that's a threat. enriching at 60 percent is leverage what your government's to our threat and they carry it out in different country. they destroyed the rock, they destroyed they be. they sanction venezuela, your government steals money from the venezuelan people and starve them and then face the government and venezuela, they mismanage. so you strangle people and then you ask, why can't they breed?
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no, your government threatens other countries and your government carry out those threats . so we take those seriously, but no one the other hand with the job, the mom only saying it's on the backend to sit down and get serious. don't mind a mass government, always everybody else harassing our people for over a 100 years. always, always much. not everyone else, it's western governments always not asian. it is not asia, it is not latin america. it is not africa. it is what nato government we got. don't leave your the international community with much controversy briefly over the last few days. and you're like about the reports of iranian drones being used by russia . it's war with ukraine, strenuous denials from iranian officials, but ukrainians themselves have identified the devices as shad 136 drones. how
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ignorant there? i think the rest of the world really is to try and claim that they didn't give them to russia don't, don't, don't, don't call yourself the rest of the world. i'm 1st of all, i'm not in the foreign ministry, but a number of things. tim and i and i speak on behalf of myself. your governments lied. you advanced westwards, you advance nato eastwards to the russian border. your government carried out a qu in ukraine, europe. government supported right wing, fascist, like the as off battalion, which in the western media it was discussed they were saying before the events this year that they, that this is a big problem in ukraine. and they killed 1515 or 16000 ethnic russians in the dom bass region. and in other parts of eastern, your claim, your governments provoke pressure, your government allow this to happen. you've gone through the list and you've swallowed rushing, propaganda, hook, line, and sinker. dr. miranda,
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it's been good to have you on conflicts on thank you very much. yeah. yeah, yeah, i'm a russian propagandist. i'm a russian pop began to. i've been gas twice by your government. the government that pays you. so i think your government's done that in the 20th century before apparently. right. thanks. thanks so much for your time. thank you. the ah ah ah
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