tv Like. Hate. Kill. Deutsche Welle November 6, 2022 9:15am-10:01am CET
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dominance, get a step ahead with the w business beyond our lives seem to follow a clear path until we're blindsided by an act of violence. young men become killers far right terror. the world over deep on the internet, young people are becoming radicalized and planning attacks. we entered this dark world of propaganda and violence.
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we found young people who secretly become right wing terrorists in their bedrooms. we discovered an environment that influences and recruits teens, turning them into ticking time bombs. how can we find them and stop them? munich. july 22nd 20. 16 dobbins. on bowling, and 18 year old high school student fills. 9 people with immigrant backgrounds at the olympia shopping center, then himself at a memorial service, 5 years later, there was still so much pain. the victims families still don't understand how it
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happened. was it a racist attack? and how does a student become a right wing extremist on the internet? ah, it's a world the police seldom enter. they considered san bully a lone wolf, but loan no longer means alone. where from the same generation and know the depths of a new world hidden to many the world of internet gaming, we wanted to better understand what happens there. why young people give up their lives and become murderers. we mapped out a pattern and david san bully's radicalization which we used to search for other potential violent criminals. still active online. a lawyer supplied us with files
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from the investigation, hoping our research could avert further crimes. devin, somebody by some bully was 1st and foremost lonely and clearly one languish. often he created his own reality online or just kind of built up a whole new circle, a friend of the company, the rightly extremely terrorist. i'm a psychologist assessments on file paint a picture of david san bully as a young man fascinated by far right extremist violence and lost in hatred for people with an immigrant background. i knew funny when he started planning and then posted as he came out in the office. yeah, i'm going to shoot him. i'm going to do it just, i'm going to kill them because i hate them. all these files contains on bullies, chat histories, and posts. along with his contacts,
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we analyzed the data and compiled a list of all his former contact. most were teenagers at the time, many still living in germany who, one of his chat partners was a young man from southern germany who communicated with san bully. before his attack in munich. we found his cell phone number and a police report. we contacted him and convinced him to meet with a month later he appeared on camera for the 1st time and told us how radical he had been ah, the young man will call him power, wants to remain anonymous, fearing revenge for talking to us. even before the meeting, people from the extremist community threatened him with violence,
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they sliced us at that time, happened to him. i was already thinking every day about how to kill as efficiently as possible was go by english con i was 15 kind the wasn't a day. i didn't think about them, annuity sigma. i'm a community you know, amongst tina and i think the terracing is most of the home doesn't asked my younger fetishes were issued a shed seen, i guess 95 percent. just curious what us tele, when i was active as a jack t 5, i was just, there were probably about 10 to 20 real threats of my level and germany in deutschland or at the time power was active on steam, a gaming platform with 120000000 users worldwide. it hosts hundreds of games and young people including us, play online together. the platform allows gamers to network
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and chat in various online groups, most of which are harmless. the chat groups are mostly about gaming and the everyday lives of gamers. it's a place to make friends but there are also dangerous groups, openly spewing massage any extremism and violent fantasies. in 2016 davidson boley was active on the platform and how to, who are they communicating with at the time? which chat groups were they in? are there still potential threats there to day? answers normally, hard to come by. steam automatically deletes chat histories after 2 weeks. but we found an insider who archived,
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hundreds of chat history since the munich attack. he to wants to remain anonymous. i'm happy so i was sick for a while in the fall of 2018 mileage on the i was lying in bed chord and i started looking for original sources. and i started typing in the names of terrorists got there were hundreds of uses who named themselves after the far right terrorists. i found 3 or 4 groups named after some bully. that means he had a real fan based on the same event. the problem is, you don't know how many are being ironic. how many a serious illness, repeated lloyd minus amps about that. we know now that david some bully mentioned seriously that he did it. the christ church bama was also serious and the hollow bama. and he taught on because it's taught the online dis, dodson dick. if it's behind it online. there are dozens of
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violent terror groups that worship killers and far right extremist groups which spread neo nazi content. these worlds blurred together, joined by a common fascination with violence, and we infiltrated these groups in order to follow san bully's footsteps and track down other threats. an expert from london help you with it. now, my name is julia 8. now i research stream ism and terrorism and to infiltrate the various far right, extremist, network access, gather him yet. so in 2016 in particular, there was a lot of activity in the far right seen, and more and more network international net it was reformed. agnes, can people ask about this thought up their own world of alternative sources of information which relates to gaming. you know, that is also very strongly ideological stack on august elemental high
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to minimize the sand from a lag. in most cases, i created profiles for my undercover identities and spent months here building them and making them credible it to my phone, went off to bon we 2 went under cover dan communicate with other members and gradually slipped further into it. and what's because they lead to other more radical channels says sweet fish with, by the high end, based on and you very quickly get to a hard core group launched a product. some of him are prepared to use violence. i need to add them happen. can that and i was given that this is pin tab is offset paranoid vanish. i'm somewhat paranoid myself because i've often been in networks that have produced terrorist housing and then telecom and finally comes in before creating an account. we wanted to make sure we were protected. what threats would we face entering such
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a dangerous online environment and chatting along? we set up a meeting with alexander stevens, a defense attorney from the national socialist under ground trial. when it says approved, as eyes does in the words become a crime of tedford for his abs, fillets guns as lords themselves don't hurt anyone now. and johnston is as ish really. but larry hard to prove criminal intent from plans on those fields and get in. it's and all at once with the also begun and hum thou san connecticut to criminal offense to not report to plan the crime office time. when you actively learn about the crime that can still be prevented. bookish act teeth, that this must be a very serious crime. nor for him murder hunt, an attack was on a terrorist damaged off that side. now, watson is punishable. what an anti lock tail is to shift locking with all these new of provisions, aim to protecting against her. as often as this law is actually recognized that it can be important, especially for the authorities which are cut also for journalist latin on to make
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contact with the circle, for example, and talk to prevent serious crime that his boy has create exclusion criteria that really says this does not apply if, for example, it serves professional purposes as it does for you as a journal, and that's just less what is allowed and what is not of us give me the grants in 5 missed on them. and the limits in tags is when you really inside concrete action and avoid this at all costs most aside. and if you write someone with said, you want road that you thought the olympia or attack was good or interested in joining in that cross line. not on it was problematic when you can don't another plan of action. are we alone in these groups or do authorities also monitor the threats there? we asked the office for the protection of the constitution in virginia, a german state security agency. and my name is jeff thomas, and my name is step uncommon. i'm president of the state office for the protection of the constitution into renea on the extra minutes is the longer the,
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the internet online radicalization has existed as long as the internet. but we have seen a surge in recent years, partly due to growing globalization. obviously, it is a major challenge for all security already engaged in specific prevention. because the hood is for, might be complicated, lavonne said follow if both major hurdle is finding relevant chat histories or people who may fantasize about attack or violence fund does extend. ah gotcha. but obviously even done this, we need young experience. our tech savvy people in the next step is to move out of the virtual world and identify individuals in the real world. what's the name? if we become aware of criminal acts or planned attack, if we will, of course, inform the police not to this, but our interest is primarily in uncovering networks in convicting criminal
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actually both you and so nips that goes to bacon with which potential offenders from the files we obtained are still active today. how many threats are there and how do young people like pole find themselves drawn into these groups in the 1st place discovers with them as to point me to me in the scene to come to madison. i 1st came in contact with the seal because i randomly taught 10 hashtag. column bible, hashtag, columbine. i need him up in 1999 to teenagers, shot and killed a 12 people at a school in columbine usa, 24 were injured. power was fascinated by the shooters.
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my am colleen hosty. i'm a psychologist and threat manager for linfeld dow hog attempting to try to learn by even unconsciously from violence. home people mentioned is, is off. i'm big torque of iot, vague how to sub i even off my, but it's often only about them indulging their fantasies all ash amazon. what will happen when i share this? i tyler of assent. and how will the world react to health fitness will to near to thank you, but not as said satirically. politically incorrect, just we could say that's just freedom of expression. that's just tasteless. humor gets macros. who more as
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a self means by listen shaft. lots like when to scientists make jokes about atoms, does. it has nothing to do with atoms on, on, it's more kind of social interaction all sort during our search for clues, one steam user kept catching our eye. he promoted violence and incited people to commit crimes. his user name was ivan, but he's known in the groups as ivan, the jew hunter. he stood out for his radical extremist posts, which he shared with davidson, boley, and powell. in 2016 we searched facebook for users who spread similar hate messages and found islands account still active. on the platform, he openly portrays himself as a young, violent student his profile says
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he lives in spain. we asked him about his posts and he actually answered you in groups where they are talking about some bully, the munich shooter who killed 9 people 4 years ago. you were commenting on it years ago. oh, i remember that. yeah. he was in esteem group. we all did we just for eci kids, but it was all jokes or least that's what i thought as distance myself from that world after the happen. you called yourself once ivan the jew hunter. right? ha ha. yeah. well, the name was given to me by another friend, i liked it, so i just went with it. i was just joking around. i'm not responsible for people taking it for real. ivan continues to post images of weapons, terror and nazi propaganda. got, i'm not in. i'm looking bustos ish for i realized i was surrounded by people with the far right ideology as it would my wouldn't describe my 15 year old self for
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myself today as for right. but on mister moscow fact had to obviously, almost if i've been asked then now if i had anything against jews or foreigners, it might have said, definitely not in how to get higher hub would. i was often gelato. i also know that i shared content or laughed at anti semitic ciocca, munch window awesome. busy middle school mit off. think i went along with it to be notified on something and i was afraid of losing contact or contacted civilian social august psychologically dearly. they replace real contact us as compet of was not so the basic need to belong as fulfilled rights, but it's not real problem shot. we also need real physical contact with other people. so and i mentioned, and that the problem problematic they move more and more into a fantasy world, chow, where they talk about certain topics and then about games, other people, crimes. i'm a violent fantasy is alene should remember that we all have seen this dynamic grow time and again, facts where these members inside each other more and more to violence. fremont and
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provoking some one to carry out an even more successful attack were even more people are killed. and that's the danger on that as often as alice deny, make just a few days after we went online with our undercover account, a user had already written to us describing killing fantasies. why of many online who glorify mass killers, terrorists, and sometimes the 3rd right? to find more young people like this, we wrote an algorithm to better search internet groups. the seller goes good esteem brought us ality few absently. i that worked quite well on steam because a lot is open and downloadable out a lot is if i go with most this, we used an automated algorithm,
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which looked at the other accounts in a group that david some boley was in based and as base are constant in india, it seems that english could sango done them to fundies an account, then it looked at the subgroups of these accounts. and then the members of the sub groups into ost, these and gotten redone. d makita decisive for but i does it so it spread through this network and generated a map of david, some bullies network and environment on the let's stick with him also on daddy's could and through this we found people we didn't know about before that. but since the deepest and only 2nd floor can see that they're all somehow connected to see elegant themes. and there are always important people in the network. and it's these important people that we wanted to contact and the traditional i'll talk to you power connected with a teenager at the time through a video game. the goal of which was to kill as many people as possible. but that
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alone does not make you violent. exempted be just be seen at dismiss. all gaming is extreme. is very counter productive and just not true. and who stuffy, annotate, and athlete you cannot just casually say male plus violet game was left loaner equals killer. i'm thinking out of a staff and he would have millions of killers in germany. daytime dodge went as on m, alina das, spin, playing violent games, cannot be just a pastime. dickens, i'm general, is alerted in general. the gaming scene is more prone to radicalization, fairly gar, feel how the coliseum and mac this is useful. and valerie's overlap can't say the scene are drifting in ideologically radical direction. these are the color i still am very simply put on the loneliness issue, cats, t market become of bothers, full hatred, swim contact. so i normally cannon dell playing a game called hatred answered while i got in touch with an american,
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i was ranked number one world wide and i noticed him because of his name manifest natural select on bookish and different manifestos. he'd written test. i saw that he was really interested in natural selection. here honestly isn't was yet. that's basically a code word for killing all people to learn society. i'm crazy. d gazette. so i wrote to him on the off chance and rubbish. mile of good cook congresswomen. powell was texting with william atchison and american, fascinated by killing sprees. he was already secretly planning an attack. no power didn't know about that. together they watched violent videos and from as soon as his shoe miss amy specialist had a machine sibling. and you missed and i had already decided to kill myself to
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constantly for i went into the sea and he did come up to more. i felt like i couldn't just let all the people who had bullied me. it hurt me. i couldn't just let them go again. listen, i couldn't let them women's. as given the most, i was ready to kill those people 1st and bring it in. these alighted off on a home. skulls are toward soon voice imposing wasn't they wanted to do homework during the brightest enough mom water and mission and into the sat home of the table. human cause octed fend of this guy told me i couldn't sit there when he pushed me down and spittle meat as a rookie sold as he had hidden phone been and had my anguish booked it. after that . listen, since i took a knife to school every day and now he intact mazama, initially, i thought make it up. okay, if that happens again, so i'll just stop here. mad up. oh, william acheson rated violent attacks on a wiki like page online, according to the number of dead and injured. he wrote the rating for the munich
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shooter, his former online friend and the article he admired him and wrote what he liked about the attack. including the large number of people with an immigrant background who were killed was to an antibody being the best of killing. really drives you of the good to didn't mention ah so his cause in most law was very prepared to kill. i'd had a real plan of attack concrete and flexibly nada power started planning using a school's fire escape route. he mapped out where he would strike 1st is a user, no true selector, admissions, and bullied, and fuzzy natural selector. and could i have the somberly him? mia? he had a concrete at arkell,
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had asked if he knew german speakers on scene did. who are in the sub jackson d o of steams and mid month, like mother spoon, canada. ah, ah, zone bull you had a chance, i got to know some bullying glance to sell hines amber mainly because he was also lonely and felt misunderstood. the she had to for am then i seemed very depressed and wrote about killing himself exploits. he gives him the same confidence on sibling son, bolian. powell withdrew even further from reality, from their bedrooms, bound by radical ideology. they texted about their plans to kill others. and themselves all in
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manhattan, now leasing that kind of find the hutton in mrs. letty unforgotten, counter vas on bully. i had no friends to really confide in the real world to see if i could tell some bullying the others things. i couldn't tell my parents and initiates it harbor when they get fucked up about us. okay. as you may are and yelling at me in the community. oscar touched our deeper. i got into a community i hadn't harbor the more prepared i was to kill for the sake of killing this word. an english committee does was v. i was like, i was on a mission to kill it's we couldn't and forced to have done some of the motto. hum, ah, not only with guns, but bombs too. natalie is me a boost us. i know bombs, a sneak policies and i was florida. was the reason god, that extreme element of surprise hadn't ex timothy marshal's woman was all
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strategic in this adver neglected, is feel a lot of you can get a lot of people at one angle. how do you copy? i was more into building on and using hand grenades since because especially when people are trappers and with as a result of a mom at the moon for let some sleazy cougar spirit buy land from the sept. so bone building the myself was really risky. that hunger hinder that that never stopped my hm. oh, well, i saw it in a higher sense in harbor and offered as he does my from. and it was always exciting . sean, for michigan, an adrenalin rush. he does philosophy unlike may be how extreme sports or for others of us as well that i was really blind, it up much longer dots. okay. i knew what i was doing was outside the north. i've there normally, it 1st off there's a lot of people would have called me a dv up that is precisely gooden or abnormal as up. mamma about us from here done. so i didn't care. go relish and for august i had a philosophy of life. how to like,
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there may be more of the headlights here and the tools philosophy in dames, in a dust or near booklet. i don't think any more that noted. be rhonda on an ear that society has wrought at an omelet. mine in my way is right, and i am one of the few you see that is in the hospital. so the hopelessness grows and grows that even van at some point and they want it out of this out in the real world. it's on an alley and eventually commit to cry onto it's chris kit with the titles flu. he started shooting just before 6 p. m b begun yet, so she's at this year and i want to students were killed today in a shooting at a high school. and as tech new mexico ah,
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isabel cincinnati, mom a glove could post that right away. i posted that i knew somebody, the munich shooters with an asthma or let's go hype tal alady. everybody was asking what he was lying on the bodies or by demand and amok. you go on a killing spree and you're like a hero in the head. the noise after the munich attack, some one noticed power's online terror plans and immediately reported him to the police globe around 3 o'clock in the morning as eastern a heard, a lot of the car door slamming was one after another guns, freelance, and under monthly shaking some fenster, i looked out of the window glass and saw 10 or 15 police officers or some with machine guns in for its somewhat normal game as was on my toilet crew festival is coming quickly towards the house. lest langler come on today and get it off as
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hosts again abdomen tourist and i was arrested immediately. could had such pizza as lay asked if i wanted to go into a psychiatric hospital had to miss done within 24 hours. i made up my mind off fargo between the procedure 3 and was unless mr. dunn for to him and, and observe as nittany. gov could and spent 6 months either had the self up, got hulu. in 4 months of research, our algorithm had unearthed more and more of the network behind the attacks and munich and the us, and clues to other potential threats. to revisit, we knew that dove at somebody in the munich pseudo was in contact with william atchison was from aztec, new mexico of yellows before and we learned as more people are involved, the central may, i mentioned and hang ram annually. we found a young american carter toils, who had chatted on steam with william atchison with william edison. it was scheme
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pitch at definitive contact. dr. kim not invited him. you late brayton, another young american may also have been in contact with atchison lucas of isaac, contact us. both hilde themselves only brought by to avoid an eye in both wanted to shoot up a school that didn't diminished good time. there are other people in this network who may never have planned anything will happen on often is next week and we'll get into some by spear, even the unique ivan the jew hunter. for example, i was in contact with david on boley, and allison william edison compacted is a clearer also networks around other attack, legs around holla and germany, for example. and christ church you deal influence into that. so not in law zealand in christ church. it isn't at unhandled assistant, these may be individual killa, they're not, they're not isolated case manager to sheds was good corporate groups with much clearer structures like that. what should be done? that gets on to fall right? terrors with dish, but she doesn't even know deploy creed, division for example,
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and the atom above in division, mainly in the us. i mean, it really is in national and some the sex is oh, international. ah, these criminal organizations are still active today. we wanted to look into these far right, terrorist groups. how many members do they have? are they really that dangerous? we joined dozens of groups on the encrypted telegram messenger. thousands of hardcore, national socialists are in these groups, worshipping the 3rd reich and its ideology. ah, we joined more and more private groups where attack fantasies are disgust including channels of the foyer, clique division or f cod day. and the autumn often division. our experts tell us
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these are to day 2 of the most dangerous, neo nazi groups with about 600 members around the world. their goal is a civil war, one by the white race. the movement began in the us and is now networked world wide via chat groups. they seek out young people on gaming platforms and incite them to violence, showing them how to build bombs and illegally obtain weapons. ah, the german authorities say the groups are under surveillance, but we saw many groups grow unnoticed by splitting into smaller groups. with after 5 months undercover in these groups,
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something happened that we hadn't considered the state security service showed up at our door. does about to 30, it says on moment data that really changed our research that had sent me at least company just missed another thought. it became real ca bins. when would that when a mother opens the door at 9 lisman really irritated me. it is, it is a ham, but the one, what do you want? what can i do? what have i done? we'd like to speak to your son, to me, is whether to ask if that was when i 1st knew this was virtual method to elliott's . unless this was real mock, no, i don't mess up my kitchen for you all have to clean it again on as well as a map was when i asked myself, if we had done something wrong with us fights come out the numbers. i think that's making small wasn't a suck. she sat down complaints when it started and i realized i was then a threat. and the very i've clashed up by blondie gets us
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with the visit by state security was unsettling from the start. we thought the authorities were not active in these groups at all, but obviously they had become more sensitive to what was happening there. how far did we want to go, or how far could we go to expose dangerous groups, oregon? what did we need to report? are we putting ourselves in danger with you months? if someone feels very concrete plans to commit to crime once and there is no longer any doubt and they will commit this crime and it's fifa. now this must be reported to the authorities and was one last intervention is a miss summers open copy of it isn't here we are now in group of sneakers from some classified as criminal terrorist organization. i engaged in canada or america and
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for less money in south am i now on some kind of list of a fly brought and been yada, muscles is not foolish for one divine. you have to be aware that every come different laws and regulations get out of the. i'm a young american security authorities especially have no mercy. they should be very aware of what you download on your phone once long as intellectual, as long as it is not on constitutional quantization and germany or otherwise for the ministry materia, for him, so much good. it is not a crime off. he has all those things security knows where journalists making a film and we still my radar. my honest and you know the we continued all be it carefully. our algorithm found more users into far right and terror fantasies. we chatted with them via our account chat, which became disturbing. i'd like to learn more about you. can you tell me more
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about your ideology? i started to watch shooting videos by the way, s katie is a good group. they spread the message and we find very good people there. what about facing the white race for now we can provide assistance, but we can hold your hand through the whole thing. if you are really serious and truly dedicated, you have taken the most important step. do you think you can build a bond by yourself? i want to make sure you were using a good recipe. we also found young man with a tax fantasies all between 12 and 26 years old. in berlin. vienna california. as law sweden and in south america, naval states security knew about our research. they once again paid us
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a visit. they confiscated our hard drives, laptops, and phones. but the potential threats with whom we have made contact are still active online today. they recruit young people, teach them to build bombs and help them plan attacks. they've told us the authorities have not yet been to their door. ah, wanting to share our research with the authorities. we reported several people to the f. b, i including a young american planning an attack in the next year. the f. b, i had been monitoring the gaming scene longer than the german authorities. but something has to happen before the priorities is set. they ask my permission, which i think is a huge success and that we've turned our attention to the phenomenon of gaming platform by lights. although when we move in unconventional directions,
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leticia and always ask it's such an approach is even compatible with our work, with hundreds of bond or they start most of the classic art is a public service allowed to game during working hours. even the final that has really prompted long discussions in different committees, even for feeding them, gave them a lot of help allow each other of isaac is on my end to that. if we weren't allowed to do that, then we couldn't complain about a lack of information yet. so let's face in this hasn't really been a focus in the intelligence world. news we are faced with the challenge of doing more in the digital world, seeing the more professionally positioned when done the end at the same time. now also doing traditional leg work in the analog world. yes, we're still in a sub optimal position, but i would also like to make it clear that we are already much better than we were a few years ago. why the young asked me what is really lacking in the area
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and shannon intervention. i especially when we look at the far right game scene, subcultures on the internet, which when i prevention programs of it, will you really get into these groups in class establish initial com to had online sustain when kind to see our feel fun, fulton, urine. you can apply offline to radicalization model to the online world and went on sets and owned mentioned edens and identify at risk people and start to radicalization or recruit them 50 radicalization program as a ceiling answered some it says it is a mention fiarty callous young's or camera and that it all has to start online online. begin. any of these people are anonymous or you susan. bye to noon and you won't be able to get them into an offline t radicalization program right away for camping in canon as catered by them all finished. they don't have to be repressive measures. as on an i pad, independent of police intervention events, you on
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a bike with about bonding and about solutions and lose on speaker. ah, it's an endless spiral. some young people leave the online groups, while new ones become radicalized. there is no simple answer. must how to foretell is a good all to sit in therapy for we face very few produces alice was unknown to lose normal society also discussed there is i learned how to relate certainly not magland. ah, d losing foot is canceled the solution to this whole problem of people becoming killers for i am getting deeper interest i guess, very comply after you. schusters. that's who comes includes people communicating more when they feel shocking as role them than he does. i'm not condemning the 1st person it and then these appears only to foot woodson but my mother for example
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mademoiselle, what's my teacher at the right time? i populated said it might have been notice i know manners it dis regarding the potential criminal was bologna portraying them as evil, doesn't help anyone and had really tackle the cause and talk to the personal in as it is by mid i for i'm. so i'm talking to elaine me because i want to raise awareness and in as an inlaw, who felt the same way as i did it. how should have a way out even if it's very difficult, delicious. ah, we need to take these online chat groups seriously. and a new generation of potential perpetrators needs a community that doesn't turn a blind eye
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