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first, republican leaning toward its isolationism, and especially supporters of former president trump have said there need to be limits to us, support for ukraine. even jo biden's, democrats, say care should signal more willingness to negotiate with russia. so we're asking after the mid term, could us support for ukraine, wayne ah, and a very warm welcome to to the point. it's a pleasure to introduce our guests beginning with laura fun. daniel. she is head of the research division, the america's at the berlin based think tank s w p. and it's also a great pleasure to great matthew county today. he is a chief europe correspondent for politico. and joining us remotely from moscow is michelle to man, who is

a diplomatic correspondent for the german weekly site. and michelle, if i can begin straight away with you, and i'd like to try to understand this news coming in about about her son, we're being told that the russian defense minister has ordered troops to leave her son, which was of course, the only regional capital that russia had captured in the early days of the war and held. so what are you hearing there, a russians, acknowledging that this is the serious reverse? well, they are clearly not acknowledging that this is a defeat or serious diverse they are describing it here on stay t v and the minister of defense himself and the person in charge of your general sort of vicki. they all described as a tactical, new way of defending what they have achieved and what they have conquered. and

i think it is, it is a step to consolidate. i actually, and it is they are withdrawing to the other side of the nipper river to which is more easy to defend and which will make it difficult for ukraine to continue the offensive as they did before. mitchell, could the tactic be not just a tactic, but a trick or some speculated on that? well, of course it's, it's, it's, they keep everybody guessing about what they are going to do about he had a song since quite a while, and that is, of course, part of the tactic. and it is fairly possible that there will be some russian soldiers, melissa, hiding in the city and disguised as civilians and then shoot at ukrainian troops status. that is possible, of course, but i think the bulk off,

and that is also what we can see from satellite pictures. the bulk of the russian troops actually withdraw at this point in time match it with that represent a withdrawal from this very important provincial capital. would that change the calculus of the war as a whole? i don't think we really, we really know yet. i think it would definitely give a strong sort of impetus to the ukrainians to keep on going. and you know, this is, is clearly what we've heard from zalinski in his, in his daily videos that he, that he, that he sends out that he's really trying to continue to rally the ukrainians behind this war effort. and he's, he's done so with, with, with great success. so i mean, this is something that they've methodically been working on for the past several weeks and months and they already took the northern city of harkey. and now they're there, looks like succeeding in taking a song. and you have to wonder, well, what,

what, what's next? i mean, it is, it's lensky was joking a couple of days ago. maybe not joking about spending the summer back in crimea next year. so i think, you know, they want to keep on going whether the united states and others want them to keep on going at this clip is, is another question. and lauren present to lensky needed a real sign of progress. so not only to improve morale amongst his own citizens, but also to reassure his allies that victory is possible. do you think that the developments and enhance, son will do that? i think it helps him in making ukraine look like a winner. with serious chances being a winner in the end, not losing too much territory and whatever. and finally, then in the end, the, an agreement for the peace agreement. and it was a monthly help in the us debate,

i think, because as, as we've heard already in the past few weeks, their debates now about how much this whole war cost, the us, how much the public needs to spend on ukraine shouldn't be spending on ukraine that this question was raised by republicans essentially as so it would have zalinski to look like a winner, like someone to bet on. and as you, as you say, the support has been enormous, western weapons have played a crucial role in helping ukrainian forces as their wage their counter offensive. and not only around her son, the u. s. leads that effort with a massive $18000000000.00 in weapons packages since the war began. an apartment building in ruins and michel, i of the russian army repeated the attacks, the region and southern ukraine. its troops are trying to hold out, but their weaponry isn't enough. liquor will shoot err above all, and we need artillery that can strike up to 300 kilometers away. looseness is rob

irwin and an air defense system. basic equipment for any army in this world that wants to move forward, labord blur. but the ukranian counter offensive in the south has made good progress recently. hi miles, mr. launches from the u. s. a crucial for this. the mobile weapon system can fire multiple missiles within a very short time, hitting targets as far away as 80 kilometer. in addition to miss r launches, the u. s. is also supplying armored vehicles and how it says more than $18000000000.00 worth of weapons and equipment since the russian invasion. according to the pentagon, the u. s. congress has approved a total of $60000000000.00 in 80 ukraine so far, according to the new york times. according to a report, the united states has committed twice as much as

e u countries. what else can ukraine expect from the usa in the future? and let me pass that question directly to matthew and master your newspaper. politico reported a few days ago on mounting anxiety in ukraine. preceding the mid terms. what's your take, do you see reason to believe in fact, that you asked support for ukraine? could wayne as a result of the elections? well, i think there are 2 things going on here. one is that the republicans who are about to take control of the house of representatives are going to want to have more of a say in what this help looks like. does help this aid is going to be scrutinized. probably a bit more than it has been up to now, a lot of people would say, well, there's nothing wrong with that. this is sort of the normal parliamentary process. i don't think that the congress is going to start blocking this aid,

but i think that there will be more questions about what is being sent there and why, and especially, why isn't europe doing more? because what united states has done so far is i think double all of the other help that's been put forth combined. and especially when you get to the military help, which as we just heard, has been absolutely essential to this effort. you know, people are going to start asking questions in washington, but i think there's just one other aspect to this is if the ukrainians continue to succeed, which many of us hope they will. how, how does this end? and at what point do they need to start thinking about negotiations? and i think that there is a lot of unease about that question washing. and i want to come back to that in just a 2nd. but let's go 1st to mitchell in moscow and u. s. security services reported in the week prior to the mid terms on a very significant uptick in russian dis, information on

u. s. internet platforms and social media. how's moscow reacting now to the election result, given the fact that those efforts didn't necessarily wind up getting the tempest candidates that moscow prefers elected? well, it was interesting to watch russian stay t v. yesterday, the 60 minute propaganda. so people sitting around and being actually very disappointed about the elect results because they have clearly expected drum candidates and make america great. again, candidates to win all over the place. this did not happen. and this, of course, we need to be clear about that from the russian perspective. the russia party in america is the america 1st or group in the political spectrum,

so that as of their hope has been disappointed. the question now is of course, and this is what matthew is just indicated that there might be questions asked about more help for ukraine. and this is now where they are opinion on. what i think is that in general, russian influence on american elections has been sharply diminished. and i don't think that there was any strong influence whatsoever. thank you very much, a very interesting laura. it's not only make america great. again. republicans who have been questioning, open ended support for ukraine. we also saw a letter issued by progressive democrats, which was subsequently retracted, but also essentially raising the same question. would you say that war weariness is setting in the united states?

i think we now really need to look closely at who is coming into congress and what function. so look at the committees, the relevant committees. look if there's an uptake in the mega or is that of populist traction in parliamentarians in the u. s. on not because they will be the people in, in the committees that decide on continuing resolutions, any kind of funding for ukraine. and that is the essential part. so don't listen to the rhetoric, but look at their decisions and perhaps leadership also which, which direction they're pointing their own fraction. and that means much more sense . i think that's probably what ukrainians doing right now. matthew, we've also seen and heard that the u. s. government has pressure, has been pressuring a key of to display more openness toward diplomatic talks with moscow. do you think that washington really expects president for lensky to sit

down soon at a table with bother me putting? i think it depends on the trajectory of the war and if the ukrainians continue to succeed in taking back their territory. at some point, you know, the question is going to be asked, how far are you going to go? or, you know, lensky as i said, is talking about taking back crimea, which is ukrainian territory, which fair enough. but i think that many people in the west are going to be asking, especially in western europe and pears in rome. you know, well, you know, how far are we going to let him go here? because there is concern about triggering a wider a wider conflict. so i think washington is also aware of these, of these concerns and everybody, you know, once you crate to win in the west, but they also want this war to end. so there, there is a bit of tension here. nobody so far in the past months has been able to give me a convincing prediction or explanation of how this war ends. russia,

russian officials have said that moscow is open to negotiations and they blame key of for stonewalling. president soleski however says it is not possible to negotiate with flat and we're putting in good faith is see right. a well, we have to look back at how the process of negotiation started in the beginning of the year. he has made lots of suggestions, how to set up the conflict, and it was putin who rejected all of that. is a diplomatic trait. now, in here in moscow to display this readiness of for negotiations to every visitor comes here from the global self or, or to lead a minister love roth. and he will do that on the upcoming g 20 summit. again to

display readiness. we want to negotiate. if we see, look back at the history of russia's negotiation, readiness in this conflict, we realize that there is no readiness at all. they, they have their clear cuts. war aims war golds, which is to take control of all of ukraine. and if that is not possible to keep control of parts of ukraine and destruct the rest of it. so, and i think they will not re negotiate basically this aim. but of course, it makes sense in the diplomatic arena to, to be ready for negotiations, especially if the presidency lensky appears to be hard knows which i think is a mistake rhetoric that to us lee p paul lauer it can seem somewhat paradoxical to think about conducting negotiations while fighting is still

ongoing. is it none the less the right thing to do? it certainly with the use administration is also doing. i mean there's been reports by the wall street journal, the washington post that national security advisor in the u. s. jake sullivan is talking both to moscow and keith, and i think it makes a whole lot of sense and it's important that as these information channels are kept open. but i also agree that is probably not the right moment yet to really trust the russians on the willingness to negotiate. i think part of the truth is also that sanctions and are the negative effects on the russian economy. probably still have to bite that more and to there's a readiness let's so take a deeper dive on what the election results in the u. s. a could mean for ukraine. and republicans are certainly eager to make the most of their mid term gains in

congress to throw obstacles in the way of president biden. so will they rally once again around america 1st? and if so, what could that mean for ukraine support? if mitch mcconnell, the u. s, senate republican caucus leda had his way, the u. s. would supply even more weapons, including longer range ones to ukraine. congresswoman, this cheney points out that committee. we need to be doing more faster in terms of what we're providing to the ukrainians. we're not gonna go back to the days of isolationism. but there have been other statements, especially from trump, loyalists, and the party. kevin mccarthy, republican leader in the house of representatives recently suggested there would no longer be a blank check for ukraine in the case of recession fall, right. representative marjorie taylor green has accused president biden of giving

hard earned us tax dollars to a country fighting a war cannot win america 1st. as former president trump slogan he could run again in 2024. in order to make our country successful. safe and glorious. i will probably have to do it again. how strong is from prison in the us? let me ask you to answer that question that matthew was donald trump, the biggest loser on tuesday. and if his star is waning, can trump his them survive? donald trump will answer you. the 1st question is yes, he was the biggest loser and yet trump is a good still survey and thrive. we've already heard him blaming other people as he always does when something goes bad for him. and i think in the coming days and weeks we're going to see if he succeeds in turning this defeat into another victory

for himself by pointing fingers at other people. and claiming that he's the only one who can really continue to lead this party and take it to the promised land. and he's going to do that by running again for president. and he's announced that he's going to make some sort of big decision on the 15th of november. as we heard in that report, larry, republicans are hardly united. and in fact, there is also a, a, a group in the party that is traditionally moderate and internationalists. so how strong is the american 1st faction, and do you think that the mid term results are likely to spur it on or possibly restrain it? while we've seen that more centrist, moderate candidates have been gaining us on the republican side, in that last of the mega, isolationist fraction has been as successful as expected. and it

also goes for the election deny as they weren't, as a suspects, as successful as expected. initially, so i think i'm with the right leadership, i guess there's a chance that they turn more towards the traditional republican line. and the big question here will be the main competitive for it on a trauma run to centers. where is he positioning himself? marty, couldn't we see a lot of rockers in fighting in the republican caucus going forward and might that distract them from focusing on the ukraine issue? i think we could see a lot of fighting in the leadership of the party about who should run. should it be the santa, should it be trump? the problem is, is that once trump announces he's going to have the base behind the base is very dedicated to tromp. i don't think that's going to change it. i don't think that de santis is going to be able to change that in the coming weeks, so it would really require trump to step back, which it doesn't look like he's going to do. on the other hand,

everybody in the leadership of the republican party understands that they've lost the last several elections with trump at the, at the top. and it's not just this mid term election. they lost the presidency. obviously they lost the senate in 2020 and they lost a house in 2018. so it is true that he still galvanized the base of the party. but when you're talking about national elections, or even statewide elections, where you need to build coalitions and draw in centrist voters, moderate voters, as we've heard, are playing every more important role in these elections. trump is not the guy you want to be leading the ticket. michelle beyond questioning, military aid to ukraine. what else might newly empowered republicans in congress due to throw wrenches in the works of president biden's foreign policy? well, what they can do, of course, is they can ask how much money is going to be spent on aid for ukraine,

both military and other financial aid. and of course, what they could do easily is to ask, why do not the europeans spend more? and then maybe especially germany, because germany has come under fire in the past month about their financial contribution and we're not able to live in or at least publicly make clear that they're actually not delivering enough. and so that is that possibility. but in general, what i see coming out of these elections is that the trump can, has clearly not one, and that there's a clear majority in congress, both on both sides and that. so this is a bipartisan issue to support ukraine. and this is why i don't expect a reversal, there might be more bumps ahead. but it's not

a reversal of us policy told us to crate a michelle just mentioned it has really been a refrain. and by the way, not only since the mid term elections, but really since the trump presidency, that europe needs to become more independent of the us, that it needs to prepare for a future when which american support might not be as forthcoming as it has in the past, but do you see any real science that that is happening? i think there still a lot of commitment with regards to nato and, and so to support in the transatlantic relationship. but certainly there will be discussions on contributions also from the european side. and it's now high time for europeans, i think, to, to cigna oscar to the biden administration, but also to republicans that they're willing to take on more responsibility. and it's not just an ukraine, it will be on the china question as well. will be in other areas in the,

in the pacific where the, by an administration and also the republican party they, they have great expectation of what we are supposed to contribute, i think, to security and yeah. and to own stability in europe for sure matter. you also mentioned that point out that indeed there has been pressure on europe, and certainly that is a lesson that europe could be learning from these mid terms when the war began. and the u. s. came through with so much support for ukraine. there was a lot of rejoicing in europe that the u. s. is back as it were. would you say that could prove to be a short lived chapter? no, i would say that the u. s. never left to be honest. and if you look back over the past, you know, 70 the, 80 years since world war 2, the u. s. has always been here. they've always stepped into the breach when europe couldn't handle its problems. if you think about what happened in yugoslavia,

some of us are old enough to remember the war in yugoslavia. i heard the us played a central role there in part because the europeans couldn't get their act together . and this is a replay of that, the stakes here. are much greater, i think the united states, the europeans don't like to hear. this remains the linchpin for european security. if you pull it out, the whole thing will collapse. there's a lot of in fighting in europe about strategic autonomy, how they could build an army, and all of these things, it's not going to happen if the united states disengages it would be a catastrophe. and i think even republicans understand this in the united states, donald trump might not understand it, but from an economic perspective, i think a republicans understand how important europe remains for the united states. quick closing round one word answer coming back to our title after the midterms. could us support for ukraine wayne mika? no, i don't think it will weigh in the u. s. will keep on supposed to be praying for the time b. laura short term?

yes. long term we have to see, but it's more about the amounts and not whether this employed or not. no. thank you, clarence. sure. thank you so much to all of you for being with us today. and thanks to you 1st for joining in their audience, and please let us know if you're watching us on youtube, what you thought about the program, send us your comments. we look forward to hearing from you. ah.

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