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and it obvious, bentley got is following events for us from brussels are high, they're bound. now nato ambassadors have obviously held their crisis meeting already sexual generally. and shelton berg is about to make her a statement. what, what would you say? what can we expect him to say? as we understand the polish ambassador here brief to his colleagues at the nato council and the, the post now are maintaining that they are not under attack, that the country was not attacked by this rocket that are killed. 2 people yesterday evening, but that this was a quote, unfortunate incident that tins at the fact that also nato countries now believe that ukraine might have fired this rocket. the rocket was made in russia and rubies presumably, and as 300 a defense rocket. and so nato is now trying, you know,
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to, to con, things down and, and to make the incident, not look like, like an attack by russia or something like that. but of course, nato secretary general will also stress that the whole, the root cause for all of this. and this incidence is of cause the attack by russia on ukraine. the shelling of ukrainian civilian targets does. yesterday. hundreds of rockets has been fired. ukraine, of course, is trying to defend itself, and this incident in poland might be an unfortunate mishap and misguided ukrainian messiah. it is not clear if nato is already coming to a conclusion to a final conclusion. today we believe that when jen installed, neck is coming out and giving a statement at any minute now. and so yeah, if we have been here before, they have been incidents like that. if you remember in march, there was a,
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a drone flying over native territory and it was coming down in croatia in zagreb. actually, fortunately, nobody was killed, but there was some damage to cars. it was never established if this drone, for example, was, you know, sent by ukraine or russia. it was drone from the soviet error. all bits be served russian emblems painted on it, but also as ukrainian paint on it. so it was never established. maybe we would never learn actually who fired this rocket in the, the, the actual incident yesterday. so we will have to wait and see what the intelligence services establish at the end. ok. and does this strike make clear? is it making clear that it's not going to be as easy for nato to stay out of this is as many, we're hoping what nato will maintain it, go to stay out of this conflict. there will be no combat by nato in this conflict.
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that is very clear, because then that would mean the nato would engage in a full fledged war with russia, but the somehow notarized to react. and i think they will offer and ukraine more at different support, maybe more education, more more capabilities to defend themselves against russian misses. and david might be also a request by poland and by but by the baltic states and nato countries on the east and border to boost nato's our defense. because the incident yesterday ultimate clear that there is no real nato defense against miss either attacks or miss stray miss hides coming from the east. and nato might have to look into that. how to, to boost it's on its own, our defense. and there might be also discussion about a no fly zone. some ball dick member states always requesting
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a no fly zone over ukrainian. ukraine itself is asking for that. that would mean that native would protect actually ukrainian as space. and if then, a russian missile attack would happen, then nato would have to engage. also, directive is nato. that's by the native member. so 5 said, there's no way that we will guide a no fly zone in ukraine or something like that. so nato is, is trying to stay out of this, and this is also a goal by the german government, by the way. the germans has that said very clearly, there's no way that natal will be engaged in this war. there was, in fact, at the start of the war when russia 1st invaded, there was a lot of talk about a no fly zone. ukraine was, was aging, and nato wasn't that to, to support them in the, in that way. but that seem to be a red line for nato as to the international community,
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saying that we cannot cross that we, we can't, we can't get involved in that way. at the time in february and march and nato said clearly, no turn of lies on, i mean we had won a no fly zone. for example, during the civil war in former yugoslavia. but then there was a different situation because nato had actually the troops and also the capabilities on the ground. and there was no enemy involved that had some aircraft of the ability actually to attack. so that was, if you an easy nov flies and then now it would mean that russian troops would be engaged was need to add defense systems or something like that. and this is something that everybody wants to avoid, because that would mean escalating into a real combat with russia. be drawn into this mission and nobody at nato. so far.
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one said us is the americans as the leading nato nation, have rule that out very strictly. that if we could talk about russia's reaction to this, i mean russia has been quite defensive denying, and that it was one of the missiles and, and calling the talk about all of this, an escalation and attempted escalation. but this is also a pattern we see from russia. russia has always denying everything that is accused of and we're in this incident. it seems to be that is, this is the case may be, but accidentally for tomorrow. we have a verdict in amsterdam on the edge. 17 case you might remember there was an airplane shut down by a russian rocket over eastern ukraine in 2014. and also there russia denied everything. they say they were not involved, but the court in september, clearly established that russia actually was in fact involved in this and had
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a role to play in this incident for nearly 300 people died in the passenger plane. so it's a, it's a pattern. you cannot trust actually statements like that from russia. these facts have to be checked by other sources and by, by western intelligence services. and so, i mean, you could expect this a reaction from moscow, but i would say it's better to, to know to, to are somebody else and not the russians on this. but we're going to leave it there, but we will come back to you. and after that statement by a nato secretary general, yes, dalton berg. so bentley and brussels, thanks so much for now. the sunset and levine is clouded by smoke. the city and west in ukraine was one of many across the country that was heat in what ukrainian authorities of cold, one of the heaviest waves of russian missile attacks. since the war began.
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officials say many of the missiles were shot down, but in the capital cave this residential building was hit. on we were lying on the bed, we crawled out into the corridor. there was already a burning smell and smoke was coming out of the kitchen. we grabbed our clothes, opened the doors and ran downstairs. already. it looks like a woman who lived on the floor beneath us was killed into a pensioner. her balcony was hit. when the missiles struck, cave residents rushed down to the city, subway, seeking shelter anywhere under ground. over months of war, people here have grown used to the constant threat. but the huge number of strikes on tuesday has rattled caves residence we should go with, i'm shivering and i'm shaking or 7. and naturally you can't figure out what to do and how to do it. it's unpredictable, especially when you see
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a huge rocket fly by for the 1st time or when you're trying to get that. and over here, the incoming missile and the huge flame afterwards, only from wagner shuffle armor in many parts of the capitol. only traffic lights is still on the strikes of knocked out electricity in several cities, and towns and caves mer, says half the capital is now without power. now, alexander mila is the defense policy spokesman of the liberal f. t. p parliamentary group in the bundle tag, and i asked him earlier if the signs following that explosion in poland do suggest to general de escalation? yes, that's also my understanding of the current or information that we receive. it looks like it is unlikely that it was a russian rocket, and so everybody tries with yours to let yes. ok, now nato members are meeting in brussels at this hour,
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presumably need. so we'll continue to do everything it can to avoid getting involved in this war. yes, that's, that's right. so we don't know if folks, poland will start negotiations regarding article 4 of the nature contracts. it could be. but this also does not mean that we have a few times before us because on the 24th of february, we also had these negotiations after article for nato. if you could just explain to our view is what article 4 is, what does that mean? that's a, that's a big difference because if nato would see itself as detect as, as, as being in was situation. this would be article 5, but nobody talks about article 5. article 4 is just negotiations that one country feels insecure because of some measure. some of somebody else, we don't know yet if poland will start those negotiations with this article. but
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this does not mean that we are in a severe situation and supporting a country of nato or having or something like that. okay, now poland and other eastern natives are the eastern states must be asking themselves. right now, how can nato's east and flag be protected to avoid further incidents like this on my territory? and it's absolutely okay for them, because those 2 people have died. and in the end, it does not matter who filed this rocket. it is russia that attacks ukraine. and we know yesterday we had a lot of russian missiles destroying infrastructure in ukraine. and that is the reason why rockets raised into the sky and no matter if it wasn't ukrainian or russian misguided rocket, russian is to blame for this. all right, we're going to have to leave it the alexander miller from the liberal f t p
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parliamentary group in the bonus tag. thanks so much for speaking to us. and we until and now by dw reporter, gosh them enough ski who joins us now from warsaw jagow. can you tell us what is the reaction coming out from poland at the moment? yes, we just had the common pressed statement from polish president and from the polish prime minister and they gave us many important message. ready and i think the most important one came from the polish president, and he said that there is no proof that it was indeed an intentional intentional attack on poland. so in all a very dear collateral message, he said that the rocket, what did they believe? rocket was russian made, but there is no proof. it was launched by russia and that it was, in fact likely that it was in ukrainian or defense miss. so even said it was
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possibly an es $300.00. so you know, she said that it was a, an accident, but she also stressed that the ultimate responsibility the way the way. ready shorter is to see is that the ultimate responsibility lies with russia for launching this big rocket attack all throughout ukraine. yesterday, i played a clear sense from warsaw that they're not looking to to escalate the atmosphere surrounding this incident. presumably, we're very reassured, though, from the immediate support that was expressed by nato and international leaders and the investigation into this incident. because that was something that everyone made very clear, wasn't it that there would be support for poland and an immediate investigation into exactly what happened? yes, exactly. polish authorities were communicating very widely for denied the bows. all
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the consultations, the polish government towards his head were nato. l. s, you know, polish president spoke to joe biden. his spoke to the secretary general of nato stoughton bag. so, and there was that there were many, many other in consultations going on throughout the night. so, so yeah, so the government was clear about where coordinating at closing of allies, but also we are, the prime minister said now at the conference that poland still analyzing the possibility of launching article for of the natal treaty. but it doesn't see the immediate necessity to do it now. ok. yeah. gosh, and can i ask you about the village where this miss i'll hear something. we mustn't forget that 2 people died in this explosion. and are there any updates from the village where it happened?
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well, there is more and more information trickling in from, from the village. well, village survive, the small, rural area, a village close to the border of ukraine, just 6 kilometers away from the border. we know that the attack with explosion happened in at 3 40 pm, and it's happened just a few 100 killer. they're just few 100 meters, excuse me, from, from a, from a village school. and there were 2 pills inside or when this attack happened. and in fact, one of the 2 men that died was, was, has been to one of the workers of the school. so the community is traumatized. the, the school is closed. and in the school, there is now a psychological support center established it to work as we know now, or at least until the end of the week,
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and is giving support to both to the students and to the, to the residence of this area. an absolute tragedy for that village in poland. we're going to have to leave it there, but gosh, him enough scheme reporting from or so. thanks so much for that. all right, we are still waiting for that press conference by the nato secretary general. only when will bring that live to you when a he does appear, but for now we are going to go to america, where the former us president donald trump, has announced his political come back at his mar lago, a state in florida. the election deny told a cheering crowd that he is running for president again in 2024. ladies and gentlemen distinguish garrison. my fellow citizens, america who's come back, starts right now in order to make america great. glorious again, i am tonight announcing my candidacy for president ha. all
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right, and we can see that nato secretary general, yet dalton berg is now making the parents. and we're going to listen to his remarks now. good afternoon. we have just finished a meeting older north atlantic council. we addressed her yesterday's expulsion in the east of poland on the border with ukraine. our top military commander, general cavalier briefed allies and the polish ambassador update to those on the instant and the ongoing investigation yesterday is expulsion took place ass. russia launched a massive wave of rocket attacks across ukraine since the
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stuart or russia, illegal war in ukraine. nato has increased fur vigilance across or east than flank and we are monitoring the situation on a continuous basis. an investigation into this incense is ongoing and we need to await its outcome. but to have no indication that this was the result of a deliberate attack. and we have no indication that the russia is preparing offensive military actions against natal. our preliminary analysis suggests that the incident will slightly caused by a ukrainian air defense me sign, fired to the fens, ukrainian territory against russian cruise missile attacks. but let me
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be claire. this is not ukraine's fault. russia bears ultimate responsibility. ass it continuous. it's illegal war against ukraine. in the meeting today, nathan allies offered the deepest condolences on the tragic loss of life. they expressed their strong solidity with our valued allied polen and made clear that we will continue to support ukraine in its right to self defense. russia must stop this senseless war. last night i spoke with the polish president on they do, don onward, president you as president joe biden, we agreed on that we need to state vigilant. cong aren't closely coordinated.
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we will continue to consult and monitor the situation that a closely natal stands united and we will always do what is necessary to protect and defend old alice. and without i'm ready to take your questions. you started polish radio, les dean gray and the mac. thank you, and that appointments company said your public build custom post killer. the alton secretary general. what could be the outcome concrete? in concrete terms of today's meeting, can we expect enhancing the europe's, or defense? especially in the conscious bordering ukraine, because as long as, as there were continues, there will be russian rocket striking ukrainian cities. and there is a risk that such situation can happen again, thank you very much for in the meeting today and they followed express those strong
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earth supports. although fit with our ally pullin, they also expressed her the deepest condolences for the tragic loss of life. and that nathan has significantly increased its presence in the eastern part of the lions, in particular since her invasion of ukraine in february. with more her troops, sir, ah, on land the ground troops, but all saw with her significance substantial air and naval power. and this house, of course, both increased our air defense capabilities, but also our cap reduced to monitor tu, tu, tu, tu, sir? to have a full picture of what's going on on the border between a naval allies like poland and that ukraine. and we are constantly assessing a lot more we need to do. we also made important decisions. i thought was summit in
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madrid to further strengthen our presence or in the eastern part of the alliance may be seen at thank he jessica parker from b. c. knees. i just wanted to ask, given the incident that happened last night, do you think this was perhaps the nice 10th mainland for nate say, in this conflict, say far. thank you. i'm all this careful to a rank difference instance on the, on the, on the reservation. so it demonstrates stopped the war in ukraine, which is pressed, and putins responsibility continues to create dangerous situations. at the same time, i had to remember that this happened. i at the same time os or russia launched it, wave of you in disconnects or missile and air attacks on ukraine in cities
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attacking a critical civilian infrastructure or hitting civilian targets. then it's a nothing strange and then then of course stop is it in itself of it a dangerous situation? and then are we then also see that a, there may be also consequences on natal territory as a consequence of the war, dr. russia, wages against her ukraine. okay, we'll go to the ukranian news agency, the middle finger for a flor our middle school national usage and social crane. i just want to mention that ukrainians do understand the pain. now the polish people and to have a great, a sympathy of his of them. my question is how that incident will be reflected on the assistance the allies are provided for ukraine in air defense, where we'll be some great new systems. so to cover the ukranian sky,
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thanks. there will be meeting today in the contact group for ukraine or to coordinate the supporter nato allies on their partners and all those are providing to ukraine and the main focus on our efforts over the last month or has been on air defense, especially since her rush on started to launched his indiscriminate attacks on a ukrainian cities a few weeks ago. and i welcomed a more and more allies on partners are providing advanced air defense systems to ukraine, nonsense or fork batteries from, from spain on the, on the an orders. and also know that the sweden has made the new announcements of, of additional support also with air defenses to, to ukraine. so we are mobilizing additional support,
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especially when it comes to the different types of air defenses. nato's also providing counter drawn systems. we need many different systems, so to protect against her crews, me science, ballistic me, a science but also drones. and we need a laid the fence of ukraine. that's exactly what the allies are and providing in different ways. bloomberg just check from bloomberg. this incident as well. this for more air defense for allies on the eastern border. you said that there has been a step since the beginning of the war, but does more need to be done thinking we are constantly assessing her, our presence in the eastern part of the alliance. we have significantly increased our presence on land and sea and in the air, and that has significantly increased our air defense capabilities, especially in the eastern part of the alliance. at the same time. or we have no
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indication that this incident was a result of a deliberate attack on natal territory, and we have no earth indications that russia is a planning offensive mentor actions against her nato allies. and so i think this demonstrates the dangers are connected to the ongoing war in ukraine, but it hasn't changed from the mental assessment of, uh, the faith against that nato allies. it shows her the importance of monitoring or been vigilant of the presence. and we've made the sessions for long term other facial naples, the turns on the fans at the summit in madrid in june. and that includes partly more presence in the east park, the more pre positioned equipment her in particular in the eastern part of the lions. i'm partly earmarked forces and so we can quickly scale up the
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battery groups we have in these than part of the alliance. and of course, all of this will also further strengthen our air defense capabilities than air defense is partly land vase. but air defense is also very often a air based those on aircraft under, under a naval base. the based on our ships. and of course, air forces and naval forces is something we very quickly can move in succor house. our supreme allied commander in europe has all the authorities to move in additional forces including air and they were forces to augment our air defenses quickly if needed from fitagami b thanks a lot to ask which got sanford augmented sergeant secretary general
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a few factual questions if i may, 1st of all the debris found near the border of poland and ukraine. is this debris only from an arc ukrainian rocket launched to intercept a russian messiah or a snare, also debris of a russian messiah? and secondly, what is, what was the likely trajectory of the ridge, russian messiah that was meant to intercept her by a ukraine. and thirdly, did nato forces present at the eastern flank, activate their air defense system systems yesterday, because they saw an incoming from her, potentially incoming, her miss. i thank you to we how air defense systems in place that are active or are 247 are all the time we have, i ever explains. we have her,
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her aircraft sir. we have a we have a land based system son. we have a naval base assistance her, so we have a n defenses, sir. ah, we sure are operates constantly and throughout the lines. then of course we have a significant focus on the over sir. in particular, increased our presence in the eastern part of alliance on this also includes a pole and then on the details of the findings on the ongoing in the investigation . it will not be at right. if i ergo, into to dos details. but as i said, are our own preliminary, a findings are, are that the are that the, this is sir likely and caused by a ukrainian air defense missile. ah, and we have no indication deter,
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it was in the deliberate attack on ernie thought. totally political thank you very much. just a brief question. i'm has there been any communication between nato and the russian authorities, even on a technical level over the past 24 hours regarding russian activity close to nato's borders. thank you. we have moved lines over communications. so we're able to communicate with, glorifying different way. so as naval on the us, alice about, i can of going to that diesel. exactly. what's going account of being the last 24 hours of oh, travel and beyond. i think it does the fact that the polish government i'm even after hours of assessing what had happened was.

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