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ah, ah, a dutch court to day sentence 3 men inept sinshay to life in prison for shooting down a passenger jet over ukraine. almost 300 people died. the men have never been called fugitives connected to russian back separatists in eastern ukraine. our families of the victims have spent years trying to make sense of this senseless tragedy. to night. many say that this mass murder in the skies over ukraine was a prelude to the present, a part of letter mere putin's pretext. for war. i'm br, gulf in berlin. this is the day ah, the green uses to the 15th of for the image shifting. we still have to go home and
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said in a table, we're bow, our little one, he's very political and independent court has a clarify. a lot of the facts for everybody. now, the court made it very clear that the russian federation is responsible for the killing of my yet no salad. i can change how we all feel. also coming up, she raised 5 children and then she led hundreds of all makers from california home maker to us. house speaker, nancy pelosi says her time as leader of the democrats is ending and with great confidence in our caucus, i will not seek re election to democratic leadership in the next congress. for maybe ours come for a new generation to lead the democratic caucus that i so deeply respect. ah,
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that is the court has determined that the charges are so severe and their consequences so great that it believes in this case that only the highest possible prison sentence would be appropriate punishment in retaliation for what the accused did, causing so much grief to so many victims and relatives, and that was that was an attempt to deliver justice over the shooting down of light image 17 to our viewers watching on p b. s. in the united states into all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the day with 3 men sentenced to life in prison for their role in shooting down a passenger plane over ukraine. it happened in july of 2014, almost 300 people lost their lives when malaysia airlines flight image 17 was hit by a missile, a missile launched by russian back to separatists in eastern ukraine. the men convicted today to russians and one ukrainian were tried it by a court in the netherlands in absentia. elise suspect that the men are hiding in
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russia or in russian controlled territory. today's verdicts brought an end to a 2 year long trial with the men still at large. however, it's doubtful that today's verdict will bring much closure to the families of the victims are corresponded barbara vase or she was at the court to day in the netherlands and she spoke with a relative of 3 of the passengers who died when the plane was shot down over ukraine, pete insistence was handed down here to day in this court. are you satisfied? yes, i, you know, i've said it before, and the judge or the court has 2 cases. mortgage decisions are the decisions about the role of russia and the decisions about the 4 suspects. and both are from equal importance and the court's. a wash, very clear about a rollover of russia an, an effect i said that russia was,
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had had the responsibility in the downing of flight emmett shifting and as an act of terror at a convicted 3 suspects or with the highest possible or punishment. so yeah. and one of the suspects is had an acquittal, but that's also, that's the, that's also, i guess, that's also justice. we don't want people who don't deserve a no deserve to go to jail, that they are going to chill so that this part of justice, that some people don't get a don't get a punishment. but some 3 people did get convicted. now they did have a life have a life since they do that, i've been sending against them. they can never move on to russia. they may never go
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to jail though. does that while they, you know, you know, we know that for years and, and we have to deal with it, it would be better if they got their days in jail, but they, they are under the protection of the, of the russian government. so they will do their time. we know that you can be, you've in grief about it, it doesn't help us. but you know, that's an independent god guess. verdict. i think that's the most important of all . and do you think this was a fair trial, according to the best of rules? yes, absolutely. so the court said, also to court to know what's going fence is this was a fair trial. and despite all stories in social media, as it is this political show and it's not, it was a fair, decent trial. and a very careful formulated verdict by,
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by the court. a question that is always put to the relatives in those tragedies. and that is probably misplaced stretch. question is the one about closure, but does it maybe help you to move on? if the closures i'd not be possible i spoke, i spoke to, to next of kin, of course, some, some next of kin. they, they say it is for us the moments to get more distance from, from, from image that's, that's not closure. if you lost your children, the children, you can't get closer to bio because a verdict is established. but it gives them space to get distance and try to get on with their life. and you know, i hope a lot of natural next of can see that possibility to get on with their lives after today. 8 years after it has been a long time incoming justice and it was
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a too long. oh no, you know, a reference was to bumping off of lockerbie and up to 25 years. so 8 years is quite, quite quick that show. yeah. it was, oh, of course for us a long period of waiting, but it could be longer. thank you very much. really. thank you. ah. this week has seen an unprecedented number of air strikes launched by russian forces into ukraine. today's wave of missile attacks killed at least 4 people entering many more. the strikes were directed mainly against the countries energy facilities and ukraine's president zalinski. he says that moscow continues to deliberately target civilian sides, knowing that winter is coming to bang the damage from another deadly attack on ukrainian homes, emergency teams. com the wreckage and pick up the pieces this time it's bodies
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being recovered from the rabble. ne, beside the blast hit as many would have been sleeping as val. i heard a strike around 3. i don't know if i heard 3 explosion that it was. i realized it was somewhere near by a book and nothing else. then in the morning, i found out that it had happened in this area love for this. and so my, you 3 families used to live in these homes, but suffer asia has been pummeled by russian attacks and recent month and locals don't know who was home during the latest blast. it's the 2nd time the city was hit . it how we surviving. there's nothing else left to do. here is the way we're surviving. living our lives with the devastation here is the result of another barrage of russian muscles, bettering ukraine, explosions, injuring people, and denise pro ha, keep an odessa well, when she's got the nervous dist, another russian terrorist attack has just occurred this at this morning. dozens of
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missiles civilian sites of the main target line. russia is waging war on electricity and heat for people by blowing up power plants and other energy facilities. and that, of course, russia confirming that its defense thought het tag it from the denice pro, ends up a region, regions that ukrainian civilians continue to fall victim to the attacks which show no sign of easing as the warn me as its 10th month. if a more now i'm joined by mister robert person, he's a professor of international relations at the u. s. military academy at west point and our correspondent economy. he is standing by force in southern ukraine. both of you gentlemen good to have you with us, nick. let me just start with you. i'd like to talk about the, the airstrikes across ukraine this week. but, but 1st president zalinski and the missile that hit inside poland on tuesday, nato says that it was ukrainian air defense rocket and said that it was an accident
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. but president zalinski insisted that it had to be a russian rocket. has his position. has it changed in the last 2436 hours? why doesn't seem like he's dug himself into a hole there. he basically came out pretty early saying that the ukraine commanders who are responsible for the anti aircraft, anti missile and systems that they had told him that this was not a ukraine missile. and that he had no reason not to believe them. he did then go on and say, if it turns out to be crane rocket, then i will see rightly ukraine will apologize, especially given that this hit poland, poland currently is ukraine's most important neighbor, the country that has taken the most ukrainian refugees, the country that is crucial to getting west to weapons to ukraine, that ukraine is dependent on for all kinds of things. so this will see a very, very uncomfortable sheesh, if it does turn out to be a ukrainian rocket. there, lots of versions kind of still sweating around here in ukraine, that there might have been a russian rocket hitting a target, very close. the borders are kind of
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a publication on purpose to try and provoke the ukrainians into kind of foreign missile in that direction. very little clarity, very little in kind of the way of more concise explanation so far but definitely a sense that yeah, since he has got himself in a difficult position and i was looking for ways out professor person, let me ask you, can we glean anything from what happened tuesdays? incident, militarily, i mean are western weapons, these air defense systems that have been sent to you? great. they appear to be working now, don't they? i mean that is that that is part of the goal, isn't it? yes, they certainly do appear to be having the intended effect. it's interesting to note that if the missile itself was fired from ukraine, ukrainian air defense system, you know, that is a, a russian made system that ukraine would have inherited from the soviet era. and so i think elsewhere,
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we've seen evidence that suggests that western provided anti aircraft missiles have been very effective. and really just reinforcing the point that frankly now what the international coalition and support of ukraine needs to do regardless of this position that, that mr. savanski seems to have sort of backed himself into needs to be prepared to increase it's, it's further provision of these defensive weapons. let's not forget that this never would have happened this accident if russia wasn't dangerously firing missiles, so close to polish border. yes, good point is the head of nato said that ultimately russia was responsible for what happened on tuesday, nick, the incident on tuesday, it basically stole the attention for at least for a day or so, from what was the largest air strike against ukraine since the invasion began 9 months ago, talk to me about what ukrainians have been coping with this week. well,
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it's true and even the best western provided systems of which they're still barely enough to cover the territories because you cranes and you know, after all this war is being fought, not only the 1000 kilometer front line, but also across the whole country from don't yet to live even the polish border that basically russia just overwhelming the capacity of ukraine to knock these rockets out the sky even if in the case of the nasa systems of just coming to us. we're hearing from the ukranian richard. that claiming 100 percent effectiveness. that every now and look at 5, hit something out of the sky, but definitely the outage is all getting longer. oh, yeah we, it looks like we've lost nix signal for just a 2nd. we're going to try to get him back. let me go there to you, professor person, and i want to pick up something that has been said this week. a top u. s. military general was quoted as saying that this war in ukraine will not in
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soon, and its end will not include russia withdrawing completely from eastern ukraine. those are some strong words to swallow if you're inside ukraine. was this a needed reality check? or do you think that these were words that would have been better left unspoken? so here i should probably point out that these are my personal views, not the official position of the united states government or department of defense . but i would, i would disagree with, with that general i'm in so far as it's clear that ukraine will continue fighting and they will continue to, to fight hard for the liberation of their entire homeland. and of that i have no doubt. now the current trend in the conflict certainly appears to be on ukraine side. they have, they capabilities they have the will and have proven to be the superior fighting
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force. and so i think again, as long as they are able to, to make it through this winter and withstand, you know, these essentially war crimes are these attacks against civilians that russia is perpetrating. and as long as they continue to be supplied with the weaponry to do that, they will keep on the fight and they will keep on winning. so, you know, ultimately, you know, put and will not stop fighting this war either until he has pushed out of ukraine, or until he secures his original political objective, which is to overthrow the government in keys. i think he clearly will fail on that 2nd. and so we can only hope that ukraine succeeds in their mission and need, let me just ask you, we've got the sound back with you now. has there been reaction in ukraine? i'm sure that these, these comments did not sit well there in kiva, especially with president zelinski. i have bills,
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i had some trouble hearing you there, but basically i think i understand what you're talking about about talks being suggested as the kind of immediate goal key of being put under pressure to kind of you know, why this down and give russia some kind of deal that it's obviously looking for and that of the needs as a breather to kind of re supply there's if enough for that here we are either amongst politicians or monks, ordinary people. everyone you talk to will tell you, we tried that in 2014 and we had means mintz 2 and the russians still came back for more territory. there is a sense here that russia is still growing. ukrainian independence, you know, they lots of russia to see ukrainian independence and statehood as a misunderstanding of history. and right now, giving them a chance to rearm and to train up more, more soldiers, which make it that much harder for ukraine to protect itself next time round. and let me just ask before we run out of time, there was a comment made earlier this week by of the u. s. a top us general, who said that the, the war in ukraine will end later rather than sooner. and that it would be
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unrealistic to expect russia to withdraw completely from ukrainian territory. it's, there been reaction from zalinski i haven't heard any specific as to that. there is definitely a big fear about directly, you know, getting involved in kind of internal american debate on this and kind of contradicting the very people who supplying you can with weapons right now. but just to give you one kind of bit of detail that i'm getting context in crimea telling me that russian people who moved crime since 2014 are selling up their houses, setting up their property on mass. so there's definitely expectation that even amongst people, you know, who, in theory that you know, have for now, no reason to fear that, you know, the ukrainian army is about to arrive in crimea. there's a sense that there is no future for them. even in crimea that rushes hilton's 2014 in let me just last point then goes to you professor, personally, when you hear that, is it possible then to think that this war will and did not just with the russians withdrawing from eastern ukraine from the don't bass but also that the illegal
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annexation of crimea from 2014 that, that can also be undone by this, by this war being ended. i think it's entirely possible. it's certainly ukraine's objective to restore its complete sovereign terror sovereignty over its territory to include reclamation of crimea. and so i think it's certainly within the realm of possibilities. the wild card, of course, is how would russia react to a serious ukrainian offensive or that that threatens to retake crimea we, we saw that put and basically stood down from his, his threats in his bluffs when they gave up ahead of so on. but, but the question is, would he be so willing to give up crimea as easily and that's uncertain. professor robert person from west point and are very corresponding to connelly in southern ukraine to both of you gentlemen, we appreciate your time, your reporting and your insights tonight. thank you. thank you.
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in the united states, the republicans have won enough seats to take control of the house of representatives following last week's midterm elections. this gives the party power to oppose president biden's agenda for the final 2 years of his present term. the house is the chamber that initiates all spending bills in the united states and has a lot of power when it comes to the purse. it controls the pur, strings of government, with biden's democrats still in control of the senate. the stage is set for a period, perhaps of major gridlock in washington. let's pull in lives, show canal and she is a u. s. political analysts. she joins me from washington. d. c. live. it's good to see you. again. it's been a busy week in washington to talk to me about why this decision by nancy pelosi to no longer be the leader of the democrats in the house. why is that so important? nancy pelosi will go down in history as one of the most effective titans of speaker
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of the house. i think both parties tennis concede that she has formidable. she was the 1st and only woman to serve as speaker of the house. she's had a long service despite many breakouts, you know, 2 years under brush, $200.00 obama trump and now bite and, but it's also pretty significant that she did this. oh my gosh, this passing of the time to the younger generation, there has been some calls in previous years. should she step aside? i think she proved time and time again. she didn't need to know that she understands now is the time to lift up the rising stars of the democratic party. what would would she be? i know she is in her eighties and you know if she wants to retire and she certainly she has the right to do that. but she's not going to leave congress. she's just, she's no longer going to leave the democrats. but i'm wondering, would she be doing this if the democrats had kept control of the house in the mid term elections?
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i think there's an implication in that question that is she only doing this because they last? i know me so i think she hear that she wants to pass that baton. she believes in fostering the talent that's coming up the ranks. but on the 2nd part of that, do i think she would be doing this if they hadn't, if they had retain control, i don't think so because she would want to consistency in continuity through the end of by the 1st turn going into what is going to be very hot, contested reelection with biden or potentially someone else. so she wouldn't want to add another thing in the mix of that uncertainty. let's talk about the republicans been, i'm kevin mccarthy. he wants to be the next hell speaker. and he wants to basically he said this take, grab the gavel from the hands of nancy pelosi when the next congress convenes next year. he was not in the house chamber to day when prologue c spoke. it doesn't look good. does it portend of any thing?
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good, probably not. now there's a lot of symbolism that goes on in capitol hill. he knew what he was doing. this was not a scheduling conflict. also how he campaigned within his own party to get that speaker nomination. and it was by going after buying going after the democrats already making promises to take, he, democrats, office committees. and so this is a signal to his base into folks in the republican party. he is not going to cow town to the democrats. a nation is still unclear whether or not mccarthy is going to have enough republican votes to be elected speaker of the house. and that has a lot to do with these, these new types of republicans that are coming in, who were just elected of the what kinds of republicans new republicans, is he going to have to whip into shape if you will? yeah, he barely squeaked, but well, he easily squeaked by with the nomination,
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but not if they need all republicans to fall in line to vote against the democrats to get him the nomination after the new congress sat you're, he's dealing with a couple different types. he was a, a trump loyalist until what some say it wasn't convenient. was he, is he a political shape shifter that judge set shift after january 6? or is he ace astute strategist that realizes that, that trump is not winning, which is what the mid terms proved there. a trump took a huge hit. so his new congress isn't going to have as many of those folks in that he has to deal with. but there is still a very vocal, right. all right, minority far right. that is going to give him some trouble. there she'll be joining us from washington lives. as always, we appreciate your time in your insights. it's a, it's a good time to be of american political and all of that for sure. thank you. thank you all. ah, finally for the past 3 years,
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chinese president, she's in pain. he has exercise extreme caution by remaining an isolation in an attempt to avoid cupboard 19th. that changed this week when he attended the g 20 summit in indonesia. it almost seemed like he was trying to make up for lost time, one on one meetings with the us, the french, the brazilian president, the prime ministers of the u. k. in australia. but it was the unplanned 2 minute encounter with the man behind me here. the canadian prime minister justin trudeau, that meeting was caught on camera that has the world talking. take a look for everything with all the way with
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never leave and you'll free an open dialogue with me to get on with that. that's great. the conditions with later for that did you read that body language? trudeau later told reporters that not all meetings between world leaders are easy, the encounters, not always pleasant. but for one thing, a sure we know tonight how the chinese president feels about leaders who can't prevent leaks the day is almost done, the conversation continues online. you'll find this on twitter, either dw news, you can follow me on twitter. it went golf tv and remember what ever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see you then everybody
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