oh, ready knows? well, come to take, talk with hackers and paralyzing your societies computers then now somewhere you and governments that go crazy for your data. we explain how these technologies work, how they can work for that's how they can also go terribly with what you know, new to sham referendums in occupied regions of ukraine and more russian troops are drafted into battle. but the protests are increasing across the country. i guess this week had his own unique protest, very spun very off. foreign service veteran resigned in shame of the war and ukraine, the only russian government official to do so in public. what are the chances of

putin surviving the conflict? he started, he bought himself investigation where there's no, with these elect male friends. it's the only instrument you tried to get and still, as the war goes on, how real is the nuclear threat? and why do russian officials believe the west wouldn't retaliate against the nuclear strike from moscow? for each bundle, you're welcome to conflicts own hello team. before we talk about your personal story, i'd like to deal with some of the latest events going on in the russia, ukraine war. let's start with the so called referendums that take taking place in for ukrainian regions occupied by russian troops asking people if they want to join russia itself. since no one is going to believe the result. why bother with this?

i think it's like the mystic consumption to convince people within the rush that it is. all right. ready those people in these new creat republics are really enjoying my russian. so it's given that the government. ready ready no reason to, to continue the world not to give the people by their song region and so on. so it's do more domestic relations. and you think the domestic population is that gullible, that they're going to believe it. they know by now that russia doesn't hold elections unless it fixes them in advance of it. well, you know, the rest of ablation, which is the main problem, is, has been so far, very different. what's going on? oh, science, so to speak. so it's only these days, some of them are starting to understand that the war is much closer than it. ready

was then they thought it was so yeah, i think. ready the government, this deal believing that they can't sell any anything to bid things 3 people will know we've seen in the last few days after k, also over the partial mobilization, which put in ordered. the kremlin says it's drafting $300000.00 troops to ukraine. other reports say around a 1000000, how much difference do you think these extra troops will make because the failure so far haven't been caused by troops shortages have they, they've been caused by low morale, poor logistics weapons that haven't worked poor command structures. that's been the problem, hasn't it? yeah, i guess so, and i believe that these new numbers do a new the com all at once to the front line. they will not change the course, or they will only make it more slow or rush to to,

to the war because the army that had been going so far, very incompetent in terms of stress in terms of planning, in terms of implementing the ration and so, so so, so for now, the main superiority might say, so oh, the russian army in comparison to the was. ready the numbers, the numbers, so i think they can only find the numbers. one of your most powerful criticisms of the russian government that you served is that it's part of a system that deceives itself. is that the military's problem as well. it's been deceiving itself about its capabilities, about its weapons, the state of its preparedness, this kind of thing. yeah, sure, sure is absolutely all branches rather than it is all being

on these lies on cells. so cells competing records and so on. so we can see it by the database in the 1st place. it's above us that he missed his own spring. and the ability to bring in our the reaction of the west was all great. mystical ation based on the information you received from us a bar and a 1000000000 service from means of defense and so on. but do russian officials even know where the truth really lies any more? well, it's hard to say that because i think the very low level people who work really in the field, they know the truth. but while they're being reported to it distorts in many ways. so it's no surprise that the decision makers on the

chain, they sell the information which is not reflecting reality for over 20 years that you worked in the foreign ministry. you said the level of lies and unprofessionalism was increasing all the time. is that what was demanded by the bosses just tell the gram then what they want to hear? that's it. yes. yes, because if you reported to moscow. ready the resignation is not always favorable to us. they might make things that you use won't work well enough and it will make your career prospects less right then you would expect. so everybody wants to breeze now, school to show that they were being very hard and then you've done some 3 promotions and all. so that's, that's your belief. and you said in may that you had recently seen misleading

information cable to moscow because that's what they wanted to hear. what was that information most that it was the, the russia, russian interest, russian positions regarding the world is very widely shared by many countries. but the russia isolated the western. ready walls and everybody understands the death balls. for instance, it also goes to the chemical, scandalous about these 3 boys on the land boys, for instance, and some other things. so it is, you know, these reports in just a gave the being when you have to report the truth, but you have to you guys. and so nobody at this down to do that, whether it's a kind of see, but this is a very large you're, you're very scathing about,

the foreign minister said a lot of rough. did you expect better from him? you say, he said to mind the degradation of the system well, well he came in and done a lot of illusion where we have to what we see now another symbol of this system which is now denying the reality. so i don't expect anything from anything wrong with the guidelines for them and i think that it will. ready all see the collapse of this is really cups. yeah. i base based on what all the lives that they've told they suddenly realize, but nothing is true that everything's going wrong. and it's too late to do anything about it. is that, is that the scenario that you foresee?

i believe that it is all the but it depends on the war and it's out. but i don't see russia the real story of this. it can be you only you worse than congress star, sublime and you bring it all the way around as well. so just be the. ready way. ready in all other scenarios, you will have to retreat. you will have to go down and down. it will be very, very hard below in the run up to the invasion when rushing diplomats all over the world were ridiculing the idea of war. did you know the putin was going to invade the us knew about it last thought him and said, so did. did you know, did people in your embassy? no, this was going to happen. no. well, it was. the information of the decision was not the word close to almost

anyone. so it was only personal guessing whether you will decide to wait or not. i personally didn't believe it because i would foresee all these boxes once is that they will do. ready with house and i was pretty sure that law school also has this knowledge that this understanding but evidently they didn't. evidently, they basically believe that they were, as i said, how moscow lied to its own embassies as well as to everyone else. oh, well. ready yeah, i wouldn't say. ready like they just don't tell anything that they don't want to tell. and they the embassy just thing that you said what disturbed you most in the russian embassy was the casual way. some of your fellow diplomats talked about nuclear strikes against the west, even though they worked in control. did they have no idea how these nuclear strikes

that they were talking about might lead to world war 3? or the consequences of that? you know, these are very dangerous being in the april or boasting about this stuff to do it you. ready ringback to make you trying to get together 1st place, people are sure that there will be knowledge of the do west just slowly and just to the knees. and let's say let's again, ok, we're ok let's, let's make that what, what makes them believe that i think it's a very old and con, break. it is regarding the western is irrational that there were some people. ready are very weak and where it pamphlets because they are very used to comparable that you know, and that they're not ready to sacrifice like the war because every war makes it

makes, it makes people live uneasy. and we were known to all the world that we can stop up or as long as it takes. well, it's not the bread, it is worse, but it and the people who me big items, they also share this with you. at one point you asked your former colleagues if they'd be happy for their children to live in radioactive ruins, and they simply reply, this is about values traditional russian values as opposed to those of the decadent west. so in their minds it's ok to blow the west if the west doesn't share these wonderful russian values because it's all these talk about imaginary because no one can really imagine what will be what that what . ready will be and they just tried to,

to make themselves more confident about that. but i believe that some decisions can be made on these are ross and fortunes. in the last few days, we've heard more threats from mister, put in more unrest across russia itself. some common treason suggested that amid all this chaos putins power is beginning to drain away, do you by that scenario. i think that this. ringback bill is age range of the of the k is reading but the last reserves. ready weapon mailed it to me to me use. so we have a rest in the, in the, in the region, the front 3 years. so i could still address and to remodel will be

the rising coming days. how long can you make as many mistakes and choke up as many failures as he has and remain in these days in russia it's, it's hard to say it's hard to say, i think the faith regime is very strongly dependent on the. ready register but if you can give me a blow, a little bit of the russian arm, the russians are even with the in the support this so even. ready he will continue and i will, will continue, getting are defeats by an army that will direct you korea might be i guess my question is more about the, the hotline political and security elite in moscow. they're not exactly known for

having a forgiving nature. how much of this, how much more of this will they put up with? do you think? i mean, we've got a long list of failures. we have the failure to take care of the failure to arrest the landscape. the failure to hold on to territory that they've captured high casualties. hardware that doesn't work, poor morale, you have to put in has to be running out of political capital at home. doesn't do well. well, because we cannot judge because we don't have any information. it's very close. ringback but there's no doubt that. ready the russian that leads us please now, and a lot of them want to to change the john ball. but i think the for now the most powerful figure is around which all armed forces, special services. they still stick into even for some reasons. maybe they don't

believe that we can resolve the situation like people are general. we're loyal to human, to the very yeah. so all they can cannot nothing with the nation to think about the future without themselves without power. so it's very difficult to break it, but it's, it's natural that there will be most believes and we will, i think we will see it by nea. if you strip away over the lies the accusations, the propaganda. do you in your own mind, have a clear idea why putin started this war? yeah, he started this war because he wants to stay in power. so wanted to do it for lifetime. and since he cannot sell in order to get any economy success, because the economy is shrinking going down since just off the team,

the end of the day, like most people in russia has be geraniums deadly. he can only sell some military successes. that's why he wanted to read it, was it? it was given him this. all right, like all of the raise brushing rules defense ration. interesting. so if that were for some years like to work with brain and he just wanted to repeat this, bring me an exercise. so this idea that he felt threatened by nato, and he thought nato countries were trying to, in circle russia. although how you in circle a country that has 11 times ends and is 10 percent or 11 percent of the world's land mass, it's difficult to imagine, but all that's nonsense. all that was nonsense, was it? let's maybe a 2nd thing it was came about, but i think the interest over securing personal power into the most important

looking also this is it's not about me. it's about possible western interfering listening to domestic affairs in order to instigate progress within them as they feel the broad this within the country cannot just be created by the despite it's only it's only arbitrated by the west. ready it's another thing, but the 1st reason you just, you do do semantic to group to power. does he want to fight with nato? i hope not, but you know, he put him still in the gauge and where it does know would these bless my house, read the only instrument he was to try to get himself out considering how you've denounced the war and the lies of the russian government.

how worried to you about your own safety? i. i don't really think about this very much. i believe that now when i leave it in such a dangerous time that we all must think about the safety of more than our individual . ready so that's, that's my, that's my answer because i don't think much about a whole space of key figures, business men, people in society who may or may not have opposed the war have landed up dead recently. many seem to have had an unexpected accident or jumped out of upstairs windows. not a coincidence. is it opperation on the way, isn't there in russia? yeah, it's very suspicious going into formation that i think both these cases should be together. but why wouldn't let me come back to the issue of nuclear weapons

because several western officials among them america's national security advisers say they've spelled out to the kremlin the exact catastrophic consequences of going nuclear. do you think in any way that will deter putin your control business will not well deter us even worse when both sides are whole likely to this by the session, both parties are reasonable and they don't want to die. and they just want to to keep you off and the male diversity at the distance in this case, well, it's simulating, but that's what is it, he is not quite reasonable or maybe is really reasonable. we don't know. so. ready we've done that, he may come off to talk to donaldson,

your strikes we don't know. so in this case if we deal. ready with a man or that if it's okay to start, what then determines may not work. if russia really intends to use a nuclear weapon, what would be the signs to look out for? do you get any of these signs now? do you see any of them signs that moscow is reading its nuclear arsenal for use? well, they need to know that's difficult details, which would show a lot of this must be really. ready read in its troops or drivers. so i believe that the intelligence gathered by the western classes is much more reliable. ready and they say that they detect no such science, but i got to read the whole bliss tempered by the rush,

and some troops were distributed in all radiation radiation deals. so something at least they will be in read is on your list. i don't know, maybe it's just a propagandist. so i don't know the rhetorical russian leadership is address and a nuclear live my own way. federal 24. so if we judge by the rhetoric, you can say that they were rated to new tribes since the beginning of the war. but it's not so evident. so whether they will be ready to start the new offering. that's, that's a big question. that's it appears that some of the fail safe mechanisms designed to prevent nuclear war have in part, been eroded. i'm talking about direct communications between senior russian and american military leaders. these appear to have stopped how dangerous is that

it is. it is very dangerous because those generally those communication channels very useful. see in the caribbean process, it gets, it allows to the key military commanders to talk directly with each others that degrees in. ready wraps and war but the current situation when. ready both sides, i do not trust the child, so the channels me, i'm just working so under those circumstances, how easy would it be for one side to miss read the signals of the other and launch a war on a false understanding of the facts. it is very, very probable. i'm very, very nervous about any possible science. i don't know,

attacks or any other interference from the western united states into the war. so they don't, i don't know what, what, what the read last, what was they are. ready so they can be very well is we always assume the rational leadership hasn't been very inadequate. cindy, so it's very hard to state how. ready they perceive the information they get from the front line from the native classes so they can decide on being something in the, in imaginable without real real reasons for that. so the reason for. ready the station so what you're saying is that this could all get out of hand very quickly. i would say that if john get out of and but also the rest of that is i think it is not to native countries

do not. so i don't know. one for them to start or maybe maintain, wanted to do, is it rationally it around and maybe say ashville, and rushing power to, to present them. that is the only obstacle again, to the normalization of relations. the gallons which must be gone with his blows both boxes and then the situation may be like reversed that i think that may may go to those people. ready to, to rally within the direct, vital to try and keep as many communications open as possible communication chance . sure. maybe not. maybe he shouldn't be isolated from he's the supporters that the workers lead the russian lead. it's very important. but he spun that off.

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