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ah, welcome to take talk with him about hackers, paralyzing the tire societies. computers that are some are you and governments that go crazy for your data. we explain how these technologies work, how they can go in for how they can also go terribly. watch it now on you to in iran demanding basic rights comes at an unbelievable price. over 300 people have been killed and the protest triggered by the death of gina marsan. many thousands of demonstrators have been arrested. their fate in many cases is unclear. of reports of rape and other kinds of torture and custody, offer a glimpse of the horrors many have to endure for simply daring to speak up against
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decades of repression. the un will now launch a fact finding mission into the violent crack down today. the human rights council voted to investigate alleged abuses by the regime. iran, meanwhile, lashes out and calls the initiative politically motivated. i'm not really him berlin and this is the day. ah, they have names gina, i do fidel. me new today is about them. women and girls must be able to feel free and secure in public without fear of violence or harassment. reducing the common cause of human rights to tools for political purposes of a specific group. so western countries is, is appalling and disgraceful. the names on display next to me and the photos behind
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me represent just a few of the live. at least 40 of them are children. we are now in a full fledged human rights crisis. impunity prevent justice ah. also on the show will look at what progress has been made by the international atomic energy agency and negotiating a sandstone around the upper regia nuclear plant. what we're proposing is very simple. don't shoot, had the plant, don't shoot from the plant and the, the dead, the points of steel of doubt are not. not that many united nations is launching an investigation into iran's crackdown on anti government protests. now in their 3rd month, a broader than expected majority of the $47.00 strong human rights council backed
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a resolution despite heavy lobbying by iran and china. the vote took place after the session requested by germany and iceland. we'll get reactions and have a look at what happens next. but 1st, a look at today's debate, women and girls must be able to feel free and secure in public without fear of violence or harassment to live in safety and be able to participate in public life . on equal footing with men, political and civil rights have not been imposed upon iran from i would cite. iran has agreed to uphold and defend them by being a party to the international covenant on civil and political rights. persistent impunity for human rights violations remains one of the major challenges in iran. further fueling discontent and distress the peaceful gathering in the iran turned into results due to the smear campaign of german regime us, your che,
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on frowns against people of iraq. her vote in favor of this resolution demonstrates solidarity with the brave people of iran, notably women and girls who despite grave risks continued to speak out, we must respond to their cries for accountability in the wake of what they are facing. norris will tell the results of the recorded votes are as follows. 25 votes in favor. 6 against you 16 extensions. followed on 3rd verse. therefore, a draft proposal is resolution a stroke h r c stroke us 35 stroke l one as orally revised is therefore adopted. or lucy kernan is with human rights watch and was at the talks in geneva. today she told us why iran should be investigated and how that might look and
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practice. and we strongly support the call for an investigation. and we just heard today in the human rights council here, the special record to on the situation in iran describe the possibility of accountability within iran as structural impunity. he described how the deed is sure he was not independence, have lost on comply with international human rights standards. and so it's impossible to get an impartial investigation at the domestic level. therefore, we think the international community needs to step in with an international investigation on this. fisher up alter on iran, which has been in existence for a number of years, has never had the cooperation of the government of iran. so we don't expect that iran would support and cooperate with an investigation established now by the council. however, we know you know that that's not an uncommon situation. there are many mechanisms established by the human rights council where the country concern does not operate other examples being myanmar and north korea and so on. so there are other ways of
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course, of doing these sorts of investigations, remote investigations. so speaking to witnesses and victims remotely, and of course, using information that's available publicly on social media, lots of videos for photographs. testimonies, which of course need to be verified can be used to, to do criminal investigations. and the key here, of course, is that this would be an impartial, i need to be independent investigation and so give it a great deal of credibility. let's bring in time or aaliyah. see he is the you and representative of the association for human rights and kurdistan. of iran and he was at the vote in geneva today. mr. alley. i think it to have you with us. he spoke today before the council on behalf of human rights advocates. what was your message to the international community? thank you so much for having me, but before you go like to express myself in humanize communities,
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but to kill them boys who are in the non defied machine tricks with our german people and german government for the history of them and 10 under the illusion on the on to council, well, re made a statement of the situation of credit people and young resort to my target of the repression in the us. you know, as of today, over from the people were killed by the authorities and 126 demo bluetooth and 100 of them course. so the concern of situation readers is especially your course son in law about where this ties there are risk in this my 2nd, this is concentration. yeah. the iranian representative accused western countries
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of arrogance and called those politically motivated initiative. how do you react to this kind of remark? well, this is really not new for us. for the past 40 years. there's really probably a cure. those kind of discourses doesn't have any sense of urgency for us. what happened in this time to give off the public. busy suffers from the people killing the children, the boys and girls who are have heavy listerman, the mon for change, for the rest of human eyes and put a minute that, i mean, i mean this causes it no more and your body and you have been the same thing for the past 4 years, you call today's decision historic. what does it mean to the people of iran?
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well, being counsel, since 2006 posts with every single person of the us council has been a lot of menus illusions. company. machine relations were. it was retiring, but today we can, we can use them really and because that is charge to colleagues, proves prison, proved procedure. the criminals and then intimation regional or national talk today's to us history called for the girls and boys who, who are crazy and the high last woman and sang the germans. why are the revolutionary guards cracking down so hard, especially on the kurdish regions of iran?
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well, decrease people since the subdisciplines of this time you probably they are perceived frame and as a hotel group because of the sub is probably yeah. if you remember 9. ready refresh whether you want to the gym or the course the tuesday. and since then you made a tour again, of course, and we see that the credit people going. i think there are also other minorities that make very nervous while the resistance and the mix of resisting and especially recall ration them in this room. sions young
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women lie freedom. busy from chris and chris was pretty much patient for freedom and the slimy rules they don't like that time. we're out of the association for human rights in kurdistan of iran in geneva. thank you for your time. thank you. ah. after stepping up air attacks on northern syria turkish president, regina type ardon is threatening to launch a ground offensive against kurds in northern syria. on cry has hid hundreds of kurdish targets across the region and iraq. since the weekend russia and the us have urged restraint to prevent the situation from escalating turkeys, threat follows a deadly bombing and is double this month. which angora claims on kurdish militants turkish missiles are once again raining down on kurdish areas. turkey has been
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waging a war with kurdish militants for decades. the kurds inhabit a mountainous region, struggling 5 countries, including iraq and syria. the largest number live in turkey, where they're fight for self rule has always met a brutal response from ankara. turkey is blaming kurdish forces in iraq and syria for a bombing in east dumble earlier this month, which killed 6 people. the kurds have denied involvement, but turkey has responded with attacks in iraq. and chiefly northern syria. here, turkey or pro turkish fighters already control some border areas shown here in blue . president rich of type ad one wants to expand that area and his targeting land controlled by kurdish forces on their relies, shown here in yellow the kurds killed in turkish air strikes. here
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are allies of the u. s. and weight instrumental in driving back militants from the islamic state group in syria. but turkey sees no difference between the kurdish fighters here and the outlawed p k. k terrace group. the kids to their part of fighting back as they've always done firing rockets into turkish controlled areas in northern syria, united states and russia, urging turkey to show restraint. but so far, those cools that going on. he did tell him terry to is an expert on turkish politics at the center for applied turkey studies in berlin and joins me now. mister chairman, welcome and turkey says it has neutralized what it says are kurdish terrorists. what does that look like on the ground? well, as you just mentioned in the near curve towards the course of their swipe, p g as the, as the syrian branch of the k, k, p j keys are slogans ation. not only by talk about by us and european countries as
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well, but why it has a different organ claims to be a different organization. although it share some ideological affinity as are some links with g, j, j has a different set of goals for focusing on tire law, syria, and it doesn't target or so based on that. neither is united states or europe in countries concert. there's y p g as a source organization. yet in turkey is as you say, targeting a p, p, k and the y b g who are an ally to the west in syria, in the fight against the islamic state. does the wiping g c, the west as an ally? now when it's being attacked in syria? well, why p g current has so far relied on the west as an ally, but it also had to rely on the west because it really has no other choice. but as
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you said, this alliance is contingent, the fight against isis. and there seems to be a change of heart with regard to this alliance because license appears no longer to be a major strategic threat. so what i'm observing is that americans are becoming less and less committed to this alliance. but for the moment, why p g has no other option but stick to this alliance. what evidence has turnkey provide it to back up its claim that term and kurdish militants carried out the assembled bombing not much more than an evidence. turkey basically claimed that an active created a narrative that linked the bomb being with the kurdish militants. but this is not active as a leaking cause. it doesn't seem to end up and it didn't, con means many people. and so for turkey, really didn't bring up any evidence whatsoever to back up this not i can. so all we
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have is minister of interior statement that this is done by curtis militants. but it's not really comments, and i'm not saying that it is not possible, but we have seen so far. no evidence. president, early on has however, been talking about launching a ground operation ag. what he calls the most convenient time. how seriously should that be taken? mercy. this won't be the 1st ground operation, but it will be the 5th one. if it happens that turkey has been threatening written by the last 6 months or so for the russians on americans, 7th, given the green light for the ground operation. so this strikes can be considered as a, maybe a yellow light, but things are changing because due to russian aggression in ukraine. and this national tradition of your pain increased 30 just with engine value in dies off the russians bottles in the eyes of the americans. this gave turkey
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a huge leverage and that one is willing to use that leverage insight see the in territory. and therefore, it is most likely that eventually he would get the green light bite from the russians or from the american. for now, they are both still urging restraint. so what would the consequences of a ground defensive be for the region? it depends on how large and offensive are we talking about, and which region will be targeted to so far to play regions as potential targets, which are part of why if turkey targets a strategically important because they are the gate rates, the 2nd largest, if target targets these 2 regions, russians and europeans, as well as battles on the ground and will pose it strongly and it will have big progressions. but on the other hand, is not that strategically significant. and all these countries that i mentioned on
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route chantelle, the limited turkish a ground operation. if it is, if you don't, the targets provide me on the other one is symbolically very important because it is also the place value kurdish, there's this slice assess started. so it has huge political meaning, but less strategic importance. very complex situation. thank you so much for breaking it down for selling care. it's an expert on turkish politics at the center for applied turkey studies, and really thank you for having me. aah! ukraine's nuclear energy chief petro cochin has accused russia of causing a real danger of a nuclear and radioactive catastrophe. as after missile strikes, cut external power to all of ukraine's nuclear power plants, causing them to shut down on wednesday. meanwhile, russia says it is in favor of
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a protection zone around the zoo, this upper regia, nuclear power plant on its own terms. that is, the power station is in ukraine, but in territory currently occupied by russian forces. it's also been hit by artillery strikes on numerous occasions. we'll get some independent analysis of that in a 2nd. but 1st, here's russia's deputy foreign minister, sergey react, cough by mima, gun burke, ski. we're through the standard besides contacts with key. if, when you my, the i e is also holding dialogue with the officials of some merchant countries. we met james, we hope that this di luck will help to convince janski's regime to stop the criminal actions against subtleties using nuclear power plants waste. but i mean we, from all sides was we were doing everything possible to solve the issue she had to do so without delay, the children and elena. so gala is the executive director of the vienna center for disarmament and non proliferation. she joins us now from the austrian capital. welcome back to the day. russia says it's doing all i can to solve the issue.
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what's your opinion on that? oh, i don't think the rush is a doing everything m. ah, well 1st of all, as reported early it all, then you live. oh plan had to be sat down yesterday because of the rest. yes. strikes on the energy restructuring cream. luckily, or we will face a situation where the cranial side and russian me as a courtesy were able to restore a electrical or 2 that leads to this nuclear power, which is very important for the safe and secure a reason. however, the conditions that russia has good for, for this, so called protection zone, the international atomic energy range you see, or
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a number of months now do not sound favorable to me. well, 1st of all, the demand is that the brain basically promises not to re occupy the territory. and you know, and i don't think this condition will be something that you frame but frankly speaking the situation where we see that all the plans are now being cut off from the electricity, electrical power which is critical. as i mentioned, it is very concerning the agency ross, they have been saying for months now, we're playing with the buyer and we're on the brink of having an
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accident, radiological that's. and i fully agree with that. how close are we to what ukraine called the nuclear and radioactive catastrophe. what could happen that could trigger such a scenario? when this, when there is no liable power supply to the plans themselves, which it means that the it safety systems and security system on your why on the diesel operator, diesel generators which have a limited capacity. they can probably last for several days. but that's not a reliable supply. the issue here is a continuous pumping of water that cooled down the reactors. without that circulation, we're going to place a situation that is similar to the meltdown of reactors and and we
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still remember with the consequences of that. so that's what i'm kind of a, a fee is a potential of the contest that we're facing in ukraine. and that's an area of the, excuse me, that the scenario everybody wants to avoid, right? this is why you're going terribly wrong. so why is upper region still being targeted? that's a big question and then we still don't know who's responsible with a half hour. probably yes is in some sense on who is responsible, but we're, i'm a city or, and we know that in addition to regular shoes, at least we know from the russian side, there are mercenary. that may not necessarily be taking orders from the
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russian army. but we don't have a mechanism and establishing we do have inspectors from the international atomic energy and the but they're not specialist in assessment of, you know, ballistic a and things like that from one way or another. and that's not the job agency inspections of doing so. we still don't know, but we certainly know that it was russia who was responsible for targeting the electric infrastructure with infrastructure and the power lines themselves in the intact until left left to the center. so a safe zone and having a capable personnel,
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there is tremendously important to think this is something that we're going to see in the foreseeable future. and that, that, that the russians and the ukrainians can agree on. and that the russians would have, by the, by my personal opinion, that the probability of reaching an agreement is quite low. both 1st and foremost because of the position that is too far. and for your brain to recognize, at least in this arrangement, that the nuclear power plant is now under the russian control in some form of international agreement, is probably not something that they are prepared to read to you. but for me, the biggest question is that even if they agree on something out of it
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for attention, so how this zone b for us who will be the partisan forcing it? that is the biggest question to me. so to me that even there, there is an agreement. absolutely no, they are not. you know, we're running out of time unfortunately. thank you so much. no, thank you. my pleasure. and that really is our time. thank you so much for spending parts of your day with a, with
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