hi, upstairs to abortion. how effective of protests from the street fed up with cheese mo it will be 5 minutes on d, w. ah, what people have to say matters to us. ah, that's why we listen to their stories. reporter every weekend on d w. it's time for another edition of the 77 percent show. i am your host, wendy camara. and to day you are watching a very special sure we are talking about drug my colleague. it is kamani and how cruz is it a niger is capital a butcher to discuss the issue. young people there,

talk about it very openly. so they not only know the causes, but they are also aware of the solutions. over to you, edith. ah. hi and welcome back to another episode of the 77 percent this week. we are back in a bull janae julia and we had to ask an age or question. is it possible to win the war on drugs? i want to ask mr. mohammed a j. he is a commandant of n d l e a. this is the national drug or legislative body here in the country. the most recent reports by your statistics body indicates that about 14000000 people have used drugs at some point. why do you think this number is so high compared to the rest of the world that you know, if you look at the state of missouri, okay, population was were over 200 and some to 1000000. yeah. so 14 is a fraction. then what steve, it is too high, 14000000 people use using rock is too high. so the local factors are, can be

a deuce as to whether or why they are using these drops. will it be lack of employment into society? will it be a lock of parental cheer? will it be broken? who parents are normal together? default one and wife are normal together. so nobody to counsel the kids here only be ah, a lot of pressure in the society that is through employment. a lot of use i have graduated from the university, looking for employment will do not get one. so a lot of factors can be a deuced why a lot of use artic into school. okay, so let me find out 1st hand from somebody who was a drug user, but it's kindly reformed ah beep. thank you so much for agreeing to speak to us. so the things that mohammed is talking about, they're those factors that lead people into drug use and abuse. does this sound familiar to you very from? so can you tell us a brief history of how you got into drugs, what you are using and how long is all about peer pressure in high school,

find people who are into drugs and the parents and no chechen up to do a free. and you can get it easily on to the same time criticizing the fact that your fight against drug in nigeria is to me is almost impossible. they are just scratching the surface. because recently, i'm a police officer, a very prominent for this as i was, was caught in between the line of drug abuse. i am trafficking to tell me if this high profile people are in vo intuitive drug. how can you do so? okay, so before we go, because it looks like we are going into the ocean and i want us to stay by the show a little bit. so let me introduce half. so who is an investigative journalist? tell us what the biggest challenge is. what are people consuming? how are they getting access to? it's one thing that we should firstly, focus on is the way i believe, or by the,

from what we've done from the reports that we've done on drug abuse. most drug abusers do it as a cry for help is not that they just woke up and decided to start doing drugs, but rather there's always some sort of stemming reason why they chose to do it as a, as a sort of relief. yeah, he mentioned unemployment, of course it's one also need to look at the aspect of women. many women result into taking drugs from what we have reported because of their being married at a young age or because they're divorced. and in northern nigeria, being of the customer is such a taboo to the point that some parents would kick their daughter out if they could cut out obviously. where do you think you'll find refuge? yeah, it's either she finds someone or be friends someone or gets her boyfriend that will eventually pusher why influenza into starting drugs, right? yeah, i want to come to you hums because you come from a region in this country called poppy. can you tell us a little bit about it festival? i think us digital poppy. i'm talking about drug abuse. i think you're going to go

anywhere from each other. you go out to the streets. you see a very young do you walk in on the streets? teaching has like a civic, like i said, it's normal and parental support or social security number and social postal setting forth inviting from rey calling from are really influenced using agreements with drugs. okay, let me ask phases here because we're hearing a lot of peer pressure been repeated, but surely there are people who start consuming drugs when they're much older. and i mean, in their twenty's perhaps in their thirties at that point they know better. so it can't just be pre a passion, a peer pressure. yes, as a matter of fact is not just peer pressure. you're or the pressure, sir, in the society, there is a nature, no job influence like the society. you know, a place where you, you, you grow up and you know, the condition in which you would be, can, can push you to, to, you know, indulge in drug abuse and dependency. yeah. oh, okay. i made you've been quiet for a while. let me bring you into the conversation. what is your experience are with drug use and abuse? knowing full well that at the more mentoring

a relationship with somebody who is currently fighting addiction, everybody has something to do with the use of drugs, whether you use in you have used a somewhat close to use use in, or someone in your family use it here i don't think there's a home in the know. okay, let me just do a quick survey of what he's saying. any of you know somebody who is directly or indirectly affected by drugs, please raise your hands. so it's very, very widespread. okay, so tell me what your experience was. your personal experience, or let of oliver as to why you would tell me see, i'm into hard label. i used is painkiller after walking, tom will tell you it's been a hard day, can sleep when they get home. there's no late new drugs meshes. someone needs to be awake all night just to walk probably moving unit trucks to the till one we order the easy. it gets us coming back to the usual joke. okay. yeah, i want to come back to you mohammed because a lot of the drugs that are used in this country specifically and also in other parts of west africa,

north and central africa tend to be pharmaceutical drugs. intended for use afford illnesses. so how are you able to regulate something that is the legal against an illegal use? these are drugs are supposed to be dispensed by pharmacist or no account should you dispense diaz upon, for example, trauma dog, for example. a patient or somebody that is coming to a shop to buy must produce this prescription demand that is not prescription and you dispense it with that individual you up automatically on a nissan drop outside or seizures on critics here such that pharmacy should be heard. response, is it really possible to keep track of every single one and make sure they're operating above board? it's not really possible to keep track of is on every pharmacy. we have numerous meals, i will see union of which are you, are we off toes also pharmaceutical schools or do we have isolated tissues? pharmacies that are into money,

they want to make money by hook or by crook. so would you dispense these kind of control groups? would you call you germany without doctor's prescription? but you know, we're talking about pharmaceuticals or control drugs as we're calling them. but people are getting more creative with what they're doing to get hi. can you tell me some of the things and ways that people are employing to get that high? who have the low drugs exit the rest of them? can you explain what those are? the unnatural leisure of plans for when you take them you feel is feeling or minute . you're high. yeah, i so high. if i go to extra lens leg getting higher from the soccer, we and he works from the watch soccer. we like the soccer. we have gotten a goto, you know, people get high from the see which water to see which got our soccer. we end with soaking nills. there are the things you do to get soaking steel nail. yes. still nails and to go roast and drinking the water in drugs that are not that nigger and

when you use them a lot, you live in a high quantity. yeah. i've had eye on her. can somebody explain to me this phenomenon of had called guttural water? let me ask comes up because he said that in his area you've seen this persistent use of drugs and it's normal. yeah. are you seeing these cocktails that we're talking about and can you describe some of them? yes, definitely. like i still remember the 1st time i saw one i was i was surprised. i think i was working all my friends of the day i saw she was bending over the circle we causing the helium and i was like, what is it doing? and i felt like just gets in high, i was like high from dad. i was like, yes, it's also a mental it can we still get high and it's, it's ron pines from white, please be okay. let me come to you have so because we're hearing that a lot of the people are doing what i would consider quite honestly crazy. and it is said that many people go into this without really knowing what the effects are. are

you finding this to be true in your investigations, or are people aware and quite simply they don't care. hm, definitely. i think a lot of them don't know. but then there's also some of them don't know what just choose to feign ignorance and decide to tell themselves that okay, am i die by the end of the day? i have to take these drugs. i can't survive without them. a lot of people got bizarre to go into the sewers or you think, shall you show, which is the blue and other avenues that were to be honest, i've heard it done leg valley. there's so many different avenues. and this is because they can't afford the industrial drugs. yeah. so mohammed is your job then an impossible one. why you set up to fail because if people are going to literally go to the gutters to get that high and who knows what's let them there. you can't possibly enforce that. you can't control that. we, we, we really have a problem with the india li us, or was so no one conventional drugs internationally known. it is of resend that we

begin to see use getting high when they've been unperceived order of pit lucky soccer we is on. since this is so baffling to mr. this is common apparent years who have a problem. there has to be a legislation that will also cover this kind of law controls. now that the at you much movie wendy and dearly act was actually inactive, boost is we're not put into consideration what, what, what do you do with your skin? what do you do? do you arrest them off? cause more mentally temporarily. you are as there. what are the end of the day? you cannot prosecute him because dad is, is not covered under our legislation at all. we have difficulty the f fees are, let me come to you as a psychologist because i think it's really easy to castigate. people who use drugs and say, hey, they're a menace to society, they're the problem. but are we failing to understand the deeper issues? yes, actually there are deeper issues to drug abuse and dependency. you know,

any tend to please is the brain the brain or like to have a repeat of it. addiction doesn't. it doesn't just you just can't get addicted to a drug. your buddy system has to tolerate the drug is tolerance than leads to addiction. so psychologically this people are using these drugs. they are, they are chain because they can't stop themselves from taking the drugs. are there's this neurotransmitter among the 7 major neurotransmitters and in the buddy system, if you don't take the drug or whatever, it's going to come you down. you're going to start or you know, behave, and somehow you must, i shaken you with that chevron. once you take it or you simply do anything, you're going to feel this, you know, you will be so calm. so in that process, the individual is not even if today the are going to give a trop lot of um, any idea of he says in a place and somebody wants to get the and was so when you did that, that particular newer transmitter is going to keep one secret and until he finds or

he, she finds her way to go and get this drug. yeah. and listen. of course there was a psychological impact on this individual and didn't need to be rehabilitated the right way. because even when you go back to rehabilitation in this country, there's a big thought in the rehabilitation system of nigeria. we have to say, okay, we'll get to rehabilitation shortly, but i just want to tell our viewers that we had invited somebody who used to be a drug dealer. but unfortunately, he wasn't able to come here because, you know, the crowd didn't feel particularly comfortable with that. but this is what he had to say about the issue. there's a move to that have to do. and i love them all. and of course no interest or 22 off being with no one who from festival can, can been opened up. the been going to be able to do, i know she likes it or not, you know, is go to something though, if you do need to,

if you did boston special info in the little you want to know. i just don't want you to do when had listened to schools. it's lesson cultures. all right, so we thank mister x for his contributions and i want to come back to to, to you our med because we're hearing, look, it is completely out of their control. and i know that addicts will get to desperate measures to get the money to get their supply. have you experienced this with your loved one where it becomes crazy, violent, or simply toxic when she's on it? she's come when she's not only, you know, small things tend to be issues. yet more things very. i've been calling you and you're not entry and i need, do i need to? and if you don't pro, does she go somewhere else to get when you walk in with people who inject drugs? yeah. okay. be the we'll id. know some of them come to 2 stages where they don't have money to afford you. what your partner afforded and has used already to what

do you do know, get some of your blood insurance and you give it to your, your partner and injects your job and he gets home. yeah, let me just explain to our view as the phenomenon that are met is describing is called flush bloods. yeah. so have you seen this happen with your own eyes? a lot of times. yeah. a lot of times. oh, okay, so obviously high risk to injectable and drug transfusion diseases at the point of addiction and fraser. you had mentioned this before, but have so wanted to answer this question for me. how accessible is rehabilitation and treatment? because that's the next logical solution to a person who's suffering from addiction for rehabilitation in nigeria is not as straightforward as you would think. it is. they are the medical you true new herbs where you can go and get some psycho social hope that you need therapy and all those medical interventions. but then there are also look holding haps,

we've done reports on how we've seen so many cases encounter where drugs are tied up in chains like animals, all in the name of your teaching them. meanwhile, this does not help. it does not work at the end of the day once that person break speed is going back to his old ways. but if they are actually enrolled in rehabilitation centers with people that are very well versed or, you know, professionals where it comes to mental health addressing these issues. hospitals need to have sections where are these there? there's some sort of supports where come from mental health and also more and we have the patient centers where these people can go and get them their help they require. yeah, let me ask kabibi, i'll get back to you in a 2nd. how big when you wanted to get clean, did you go to one of these rehabilitation centers that house is describing? or what, how, how did you get keen? i could say in my own phase is very unique hours. miraculously hill? it just by the gruesome girl. what do you mean like you woke up one day and you decide who does wires he goes, no rehabilitation center in nigeria. so ahmed,

is this what you are going to to comment on where you go into a rehab center and you come out hardens year that says like, go a high institution because all of learning, yes, because drugs, the drugs you use, i would say, when you get into this rehab, you get introduced a new substances that are not outside. and this home, this rehabilitation facilities, they're quite expensive. most of them i know. can you tell me how much they are? yeah, like a 150000 from won't probably. you could still 3 months, so there's no facility for 4 months. yeah. no, no to drug i did side the same. yes, they may have, they may be taking the same drugs, perhaps out similar symptoms. well, you can just lumped them altogether and call them all drug i did send. tried to treat them all the same. you need to sit down and evaluate. okay, what stemmed the drug abuse in the groceries? but obviously he's the mental health specialist. yeah, let's hear from him. what she says,

something very important. you're not going to give the treatment of someone who would take some cocaine. you know, there are different forms of therapy. there is cognitive behavioral therapy. they're systematic desensitization. so you give the different tara piece to different individuals with different cases. so there are a whole lot of things that are on ground that you know, went, once i call it, is on to be sincere. you know, psychologists are not really valued in this part of the country and as part of nigeria like so cycle is not really bad. let me come to the commander because i saw you. it's shing, the moment face, i'll said psychologist, they're not valued. you even hailed your way. so tell me what you're thinking. not absolutely. what do you say this? but i feel, but it's not in all cases. the national dropping forestman isn't c surgical man. we have the rehab center. i mean, the rehab center that we really have been teaching clients about one for 14000000 users out of a lot. just wasted a lot if we have scenarios where in the rehab center the those that are supposed to

but hopefully teach the class are the people that i saw plant, those glanced rocks don't this will be so 2 course. do you have no alternative other than to close that kind of rehab center. okay. i mean, this is the worst case scenario where the person who's meant to be rehabilitating becomes a dealer, but we're hearing that they're like prisoners. i've heard situations where people go for rehabilitation in publicly funded rehabilitation centers only to be changed to what she was seen like in the because she was in conway. we have traditional rehab center work. yeah. why religious? yeah, leaders where you will see declined been she and all sort of they don't even have the expertise. okay, let me, let me ask her half. so because she seems to have, i just hold off for the microphone please. he mentioned spiritual m interventions and other things that a lot of these cases i miss into heated into spiritual cases. and that's why the,

how do you mean? okay, so genes, people believe that a lot of people have the impression that it's not, they're doing personable rather than just wincing them to go into drug abuse. so ordinarily they would decide to take this person to really just need also co religious need to either merge or the school and to try to intervene maybe by beating out the spiritual elements. and then, or when you say jersey, me like the spirit. yeah. okay. yeah, so me, well that's not what the person needs been brought to sure that the person is possessed in any way. and if they are the way to get rid of them is not by beating them. we're changing them. there are other means, but obviously they do not know this. so they just, they just improvise. yeah, they just improvise. okay. so let's come up with solutions. now. there is the reason why the war on drugs was started because there are far reaching consequences to the abuse of some of these substances. so what can we do as a society to cobb this, given that there are so many young people who are into this habits hasta, provide

a support system to listen to them. i think it's better to nip it in the bud before it begins. and after i think it's also very important that we have therapists, that you can easily walk into not it doesn't even have to be like someone that's medically trained, even someone at home. you should be able to a child to be able to go to his parents and literally tell them what they're going to, if not a parent's a sister and aunt, someone within their society that they can use. we'll go to and let their hearts out completely. so that they know that at the end of the day there's someone there for me. drugs isn't on you. think that's there for me. yeah. okay. i'm sorry. let's hear from you because you are very keen on police officers besides enforcement of laws. what else can be done? i think then it's are you is that mindset that has been created before? the few of the full use of that we used to make the police officers, our friend, and a need to show it from the outward perspective that will give you our friend. then

it's the builders relationship between the boots boxes. so the common sort of been show the hub not brutally. yeah. not aggressively the comments of the picture, just the space and make the person knows the and know that's what you we are going to help you or sensitize that person. and also not only the addicts i use, the appearance was only to desensitize. oh, they also play a very big rule in, you know, on corbin, this yeah. had jobs. so a holistic approach to web sensitization and education ahmed, let's hear from you. first hand experience having used the drugs yourselves are now senior golf and battling with this. what do you think it will take to finally put an end to it? put in an integer, kenya, to look at the sites to corruption, 1st corruption in the sense of this, this lawyer. first, 1st men, agencies. i'm not in the are corrupt, but you have to check deep down there and the police people,

you're put in this responsibility of fighting this war. i do really fighting the war or are they just pretending to fight the war? good question, because you confiscated a whole lot of drugs. we do seed on tv and ease with some bags of we then to put it on fire already as will happen, the rest of it drove to the coffee. so before we combine this war, we have to combine ourselves. we do this 1st for look internally. yeah. then secondly, i think the end you should do more than we have the take uses and put them in the system because one, i think when you know the system you can do better. you don't need nobody to tell you. so i see nothing wrong, but i don't know if i'm right, but i think if you have drug cases now you can be part of the india. so i was just thinking you could have me take this people. well, we have, let's say that we could get them and put them in the force, and i think they would do more more, more, good day more. hm. okay. so using fire to fight fire faces. let's hear you had one

more solution for me before we go to the commander. before a youth in this country is going to become a political thought unit to things, unit, drugs and unit weapons. so now this politicians also do not want a situation where they are going into drugs is going to be out of the society because they use this youth as political talks. nobody in his right says it's going to go and, you know, pick a ballot boxes and run with it or to stop somebody, you know, during the election when somebody's actually exercising his franchise. so you have to be, you know, under influence of some certain drugs. so now the know the, the, the ball game, it moves back to, you know, the, the, the society and the system. something needs to be done, the executive, legislative and also the other arm of government. ok. let's wind up with mr. mohammed here because i started with you, i don't know whether you think is a valid solution, but i'm also curious to know what more you can have in order to be further

empowered to do your job. we are in a situation whereby for example, agencies on to fund it. i know, give me strength best. there are so many agencies are ministries and our government . all need funding. so annually it's not an exception, isn't it? truly, we're talking now. the truth is been on the funding so governor knew to do better to fund agency provides us with all the tools that we need on so that you will see our best food officers will be able to get in to put their best foot forward. you yeah, well, i thank you for the comments and i think that's a great place to wrap up this debate. now at the beginning, i asked a critical question. is it possible to wage a war on drugs? i don't know the answer to that, but what i do know is that from the discussion here, it is clear that the focus should rather not be on drugs, but on human beings. thank you for watching.

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