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a butcher to discuss the issue. young people there, talk about it very openly. so they not only know the causes, but they are also aware of the solutions. over to you, edith. ah . hi, and welcome back to another episode of the 77 percent this week. we are back in a bull janae julia, and we had to ask an age or question. is it possible to win the war on drugs? i want to ask mr. mohammed a j is the commandant of n d l e a. this is the national drug or legislative body here in the country. the most recent reports by your statistics body indicates that about 14000000 people have used drugs at some point. why do you think this number is so high compared to the rest of the world? but you know, if you look at the state of missouri, okay, population was were over 200 and some to 1000000. yeah. so 14 is a fraction. then what steve,

it is too high. 14000000 people use using rock is too high. so the local factors are, can be a deuce as to whether, why they are using these drops. will it be lack of employment into society? will it be a lock of parental cheer? will it be broken? who parents are normal together? default one and wife are normal together, so nobody to counsel the kids here only be, ah, a lot of pressure in the society that is through employment. a lot of use i have graduated from the university, looking for employment will do not get one. so a lot of factors can be a deuced, why a lot of use are to can to school. okay, so let me find out 1st hand from somebody who was a drug user, but it's kindly reformed ah, beep. thank you so much for agreeing to speak to us. so the things that mohammed is talking about, they're those factors that lead people into drug use and abuse. does this sound familiar to you? very familiar, so can you tell us a brief history of how you got into drugs,

what you are using and how long is all about peer pressure in high school, find people who are into drugs and the parents and no chechen up to do a free and you can get it easily on to the same time criticizing the fact that your fight against drug in nigeria is to me is almost impossible. they are just scratching the surface. because recently, i'm a police officer, a very prominent body such as i was, was caught in between the line of drug abuse. i am trafficking to tell me if this high profile people are in vo intuitive drug, how can you do so? okay, so before we go, because it looks like we are going into the ocean and i want us to stay by the show a little bit. so let me introduce half. so who is an investigative journalist? tell us what the biggest challenge is. what are people consuming? how are they getting access to? it's one thing that we should firstly, focus on is the way i believe. oh, by the,

from what we've done from the reports that we've done on drug abuse, most drug abusers do it as a cry for help. mm hm. it's not that they just woke up and decided to start doing drugs, but rather there's always some sort of stemming reason why they chose to do it as a, as a sort of relief. yeah, he mentioned unemployment. of course. it's one also need to look at the aspect of women, many women resort into taking drugs from what we have reported because of their being married at a young age or because they're divorced. and in northern nigeria being a divorce. coleman is such a taboo to the point that some parents would kick their daughter out if they could cut out obviously. where do you think you'll find refuge? yeah, it's either she finds someone or be friends on one or gets her boyfriend that will eventually pusher. why influenza into starting drugs, right? yeah, i want to come to you hums because you come from a region in this country called poppy. can you tell us a little bit about it? festival? i think us digital poppy. i'm talking about drug abuse. i think you're going to go

anywhere from each other. you go out to the streets. you see a very young do you walk in on the streets? teaching has like a civics like awesome. it's normal and parents are support was so sick of examples, of course tools i report the inviting from rey calling from are really influenced using agreements with drugs. okay, let me ask phases here because we're hearing a lot of peer pressure been repeated. but surely, there are people who start consuming drugs when they're much older, and i mean, in their twenty's perhaps in their thirties at that point they know better. so it can't just be pre a passion, a peer pressure. yes, as a matter of fact is not just peer pressure, the or the pressure. so society, there is a nature nature influence like a society, you know, a place where you, you, you grew up and you know, the condition in which you would be, can, can push you to, to, you know, indulge in drugs, abuse and dependency. yeah. oh, okay. i made you've been quiet for a while. let me bring you into the conversation. what is your experience are with

drug use and abuse? knowing full well that at the more mentoring a relationship with somebody who is currently fighting addiction, everybody has something to do with the use of drugs, whether you're using you have used or somewhere close to use use in, or someone in your family use it here. i don't think there's a home in the agenda. okay, let me just do a quick survey of what he's saying. any of you know somebody who is directly or indirectly affected by drugs, please raise your hands. so it's very, very widespread. okay, so tell me what your experience was, your personal experience or let of olivers to where you will do. so multi am into hard label. a used is painkiller after walking, tom will tell you it's been a hard day can sleep when they get home. there's no like new drugs, michigan, so needs to be awake all night just to walk, probably moving unit trucks to the till one we are the are the easy. it gets us coming back to the use of jokes. okay. yeah, i want to come back to you mohammed because a lot of the drugs that are used in this country specifically and also in other

parts of west africa, north and central africa tend to be pharmaceutical drugs. intended for use afford illnesses. so how are you able to regulate something that is the legal against an illegal use? these are drugs are supposed to be dispensed by pharmacist or no account should you dispense diaz upon, for example, trauma dog, for example. a patient or somebody that is coming to a shop to buy must produce this prescription demand that is not prescription and you dispense it with that individual. you are automatically on a nissan drop outside procedures on critics here, i'll switch that pharmacy should be heard. response, is it really possible to keep track of every single one and make sure they're operating above board? it's not really possible to keep track of is on every pharmacy. we have numerous meals. i will see human up which i yeah we off toes also pharmaceutical schools or do we have isolated tissues?

pharmacies that are into money. they want to make money by hook or by crook. so did dispense these kind of controlled drugs. do you want me to call you germany without doctor's prescription? but you know, we're talking about pharmaceuticals or control drugs as we're calling them. but people are getting more creative with what they're doing to get hi. can you tell me some of the things and ways that people are employing to get that high who have the low cost of drugs exit the rest of them? can you explain what those are? the unnatural leisure of plans for when you take them you feel is feeling or minute . you're high? yes. high. so high. if i go to extra lens leg getting higher from the soccer, we and he works from the watch soccer. we like the soccer. we have gotten a goto, you know, people get high from the see which water to see which got our soccer. we end with soaking nills. there are the things you do to get soaking steel nail. yes. still

nails and to go roast and drinking the water in drugs that are not that nigger and when you use them a lot, you live in a high quantity. yeah. i've had eye on her. can somebody explain to me this phenomenon of had called guttural water? let me ask comes up because he said that in his area you've seen this persistent use of drugs and it's normal. yeah. are you seeing these cocktails that we're talking about and can you describe some of them? yes, definitely. like i still remember the 1st time i saw one i was i was surprised. i think i was working all my friends on the day i saw she was bending over the circle we, causing the helium and i was like, what is it doing? i was, i just gets in high, i was like, high from dad's and was like, yes, it's also a mental it can we still get high and it's, it's ron pines from white please be okay. let me come to you have so because we're hearing that a lot of the people are doing what i would consider quite honestly crazy. and it is

said that many people go into this without really knowing what the effects are. are you finding this to be true in your investigations, or are people aware and quite simply they don't care. hm, definitely. i think a lot of them don't know. but then there's also some of them don't know what just choose to feign ignorance and decide to tell themselves that okay, am i die by the end of the day? i have to take these drugs. i can't survive without them. a lot of people got bizarre to go into the sewers, or you think, shall you show, which is the glue and other avenues that are to be honest. i've heard it done exactly. there's so many different avenues. and this is because they can't afford the industrial drugs. yeah. so mohammed is your job then an impossible one. why you set up to fail because if people are going to literally go to the gutters to get that high and who knows what's let them there. you can't possibly enforce that. you can't control that. we, we, we really have a problem with the india li us,

or was so no one conventional drugs internationally known. it is of resend that we begin to see use getting high when they've been unperceived order of pete lucky soccer we is on. since this is so baffling to mr. this is common apparent years who have a problem. there has to be a legislation that will also cover this kind of low contracts. now that the at you much movie wendy and dearly act was actually inactive, boost is were not put into consideration what, what, what do you do with what do you do? do you arrest them off cause more mentally temporarily. you are as there. what are the end of the day? you cannot prosecute him because dad is, is not quite. and our legislation at all, we have difficulty the f fees are. let me come to you as a psychologist because i think it's really easy to castigate. people who use drugs and say, hey, they're a menace to society, they're the problem. but are we failing to understand the deeper issues?

yes, actually there are deeper issues to drug abuse and dependency. you know, any tend to please is the brain the brain or like to have a repeat of it. addiction doesn't. it doesn't just you just can't get addicted to a drug. your buddy system has to tolerate the drug is tolerance than leads to addiction. so psychologically this people are using these drugs. they are, they are chain because they can't stop themselves from taking the drugs. ah, there's this neurotransmitter among the 7 major, newer transmitters, and in the buddy system, if you don't take the drug or whatever is going to come you down, you're going to start or, you know, behaving somehow you must, i shaken you with that chevron. once you take it or you simply don't anything, you're going to fill this, you know, you would be so calm. so in that process, the individual is not even if today the are going to give a trop lot of um, any idea of he says in a place and somebody wants to get the and was so when you did that,

that particular newer transmitter is going to keep one secret and until he finds or he, she finds her way to go and get this drug. yeah. and listen. of course there is a psychological impact on this individual and then needs to be rehabilitated the right way. because even when you go back to rehabilitation in this country, there's a big thought in the rehabilitation system of nigeria. we have to say, okay, we'll get to rehabilitation shortly, but i just want to tell our viewers that we had invited somebody who used to be a drug dealer. but unfortunately, he wasn't able to come here because, you know, the crowd didn't feel particularly comfortable with that. but this is what he had to say about the issue. there's a move to the student, and i love them all. and i was going to say 22 of the renewal went through some folks who, who came from from general. can luther been going to do? milton, do i know she likes it or not?

is go to soften though if you do 2 of those nuclear freshman and then the later you want to know the school was which is the one to know do for you to stop living called here from all right, so we think mr. x for his contributions, and i want to come back to, to, to you are med because we're hearing, look, it is completely out of their control. and i know that addicts will get to desperate measures to gets the money to get their supply. have you experienced this with your loved one where it becomes crazy, violent or simply toxic, where she's on it? she's come when she's not only, you know, small things tend to the issue. yet more things that i've been calling you and you're not entering. and it is, and you don't. and if you don't prove that she go somewhere else to get when you will kill people who inject drugs here. okay. either we, i know some of them will come to 2 stages where they don't have money to afford you

. what your partner afforded and has used already to what do you do know, get some of your blood insurance and you give it to your, your partner and injects your job and he gets hurt. yeah, let me just explain to our view as the phenomenon that are met is describing is called flush bloods. yeah. so have you seen this happen with your own eyes? a lot of times here a lot of times. oh, okay, so obviously high risk to injectable and drug transfusion diseases at the point of addiction and phase though you had mentioned this before, but perhaps i wanted to answer this question for me. how accessible is rehabilitation and treatment? because that's the next logical solution to a person who's suffering from addiction to rehabilitation in nigeria is not as straightforward as you would think. it is. they are the medical you trend rehabs where you can go and get some psycho social hope that you need therapy. and all

those medical interventions, but then there are also the law called re, haps we've done reports on how we've seen so many cases encounter where drugs are tied up in chains like animals, all in the name of you have been taking them. meanwhile, this does not help, it does not work at the end of the day. once that person, brick spoon is going back to his old ways. but if they are actually enrolled in rehabilitation centers with people that are very well versed or, you know, professionals where it comes to mental health addressing these issues. hospitals need to have sections where at this there there's some sort of support where it comes to mental health and also more and we have the patient centers where these people can go and get them to help they require. yeah, let me ask kabibi, i'll get back to you in a 2nd. how big when you wanted to get clean, did you go to one of these rehabilitation centers that house is describing? or what, how, how did you get keen? like you said, my own face is very unique. ours miraculously, he'll it just by the go. so what do you mean like you woke up one day and you

decided ok, i'm no longer doing this and that was it? yes. wow. as well as you know, we're talking about rehabilitation in nigeria. i don't think we have any rehabilitation center in area. we only have one in open joe, which is good. this is local facilities. just like the prisons in nigeria around prisons are like danger and for criminals you just purchased some criminals and the get to be more few fearless under comments to society. they become very notorious. that's why i said there's no rehabilitation center in nigeria. so ahmed, is this what you are going to to comment on where you go into a rehab center and you come out hardens year? that's it, like go a high institution because all of learning, yes, because of the drugs drugs, you use our tape and you get into this, we have to get introduced in substances that are not outside. and this,

this reality show facilities. they're quite expensive. what have done, my nora, can you tell me how much they are? they are like a 150000 from moulton. probably you could still fremont. so does more facility for 4 months. yeah. no to drug i decide the same. yes, they may have. they may be taking the same drugs, perhaps have similar symptoms, but you can just lump them altogether and call them all drug addicts and try to keep them all the same. you need to sit down and evaluate, okay, what stemmed the drug abuse in the 1st, please? but obviously he's the mental health specialist. yeah. let's hear from him. what she says something very important. you're not going to give the treatment of someone who would take some cocaine. you know, there are different forms of tara p. there is cognitive behavioral therapy. there's systematic disposition, so you would give the different tara piece, but different individuals with different cases. so there are a whole lot of being that own ground when, when psychology isn't to be sincere in

a psychologist or not really valued in this part of the country and as part of material like a cycle is not really volatile. let me come to the commander because i saw you. it's shing, the moment face. all said psychologists are not valued. you even hailed your way. so tell me what you're thinking. not absolutely what you said is the roku, but it's not in all cases. the national dropping forestman agency or stickle man, we have the rehab center, a mini rehab center that would be rub latigion claims about one for $14000000.00 users out of a lot. that's why i see a lot if we have scenarios where in the rehab center the those that are supposed to but hopefully teach the claims are the people that are so blind, those glanced drugs doing this will be sued to court. do you have no alternative other than to close that kind of rehab center. okay. i mean, this is the worst case scenario where the person who's meant to be rehabilitating becomes a dealer, but we're hearing that they're like prisoners. i've heard situations where people

go for rehabilitation in publicly funded rehabilitation centers only to be changed to what she was seen like in the because she was in conway. we have traditional rehab center work. yeah. we're religious yeah. leaders where you will see declined been she and all sort of they don't even have the expertise. okay, let me, let me ask a half so because she seems to have just hold on for the microphone please. you mentioned spiritual m interventions. another thing is that a lot of these cases i misinterpreted into spiritual cases, and that's why be, how do you mean? okay, so genes, people believe that a lot of people have the impression that it's not the doing of the person, but rather diligence influencing them to go into drug abuse. so ordinarily they would decide to take this person to really just need also co religiously, to either marjorie school and to try to intervene by beating out the spiritual elements. and then when you say juicy me like the spirit. yeah. okay. yeah. so me,

well that's not what the poster needs been brought to show that the person is possessed in any way. and if they are the way to get rid of them is not by beating them. we're changing them. there are other means, but obviously they do not know this for they just, they just improvised bit. yeah, he just improvised. okay, so let's come up with solutions. now. there's a reason why the war on drugs was started because there are far reaching consequences to the abuse of some of these substances. so what can we do as a society to cut this given that there's so many young people who are into this habits hasta, provide a support system to listen to them. i think it's better to nip in the bud before we begin. then after i think it's also very important that we have therapists, that you can use any walk into not you don't even have to be like fun, that's medically trained even so now home you should be able to a child to be able to go to his parents and literally told them what they're going to, if not parents, a sister and aunt someone within their society that they can easily go to and let

their hearts out completely so that they know that at the end of the day, there's someone there for me. drugs isn't on you think that's been from yeah. okay . i'm sorry. let's hear from you because you are very keen on police officers. ethel, besides enforcement of laws, what else can be done? i think then it's a year is that mindset that has been created before the fear of the full use of someone has to make the police officers our friend, and they need to show it from the outward perspective that okay, you are friend, then it's the builders relationship between the boost buses. so the comments would have been showed a hub. not brutally. yeah. not aggressively. what are you coming to the picture? get those bits and make the person knows the and nor does what you. we are going to help you sensitize that person, and also not only the addict, i use the appearance, listening to the since the time. they also play

a very big rule in, you know, corbin this. yeah. hi george. so a holistic approach towards sensitization and education are med, let's hear from you. first hand experience have been used. the drugs yourselves are now senior golf and battling with this. what do you think it will take to finally put an end to it within an empty joke, senior to the other sites, to corruption. first corruption in the sense of this, this lawyer, 1st enforcement agencies. i'm not in the are corrupt, but you have to check deep down there and to police people, you're put in this responsibility of fighting this war. i do really fighting the war or are they just pretending to fight the war? good question, because you confiscated a whole lot of drugs. we do seed on tv and the just with some bags of weed and he put it on fire already as will happen to the rest of it drops the procedure. so

before we come back to this war, we have to combine ourselves. we do this 1st for look internally. yeah. then secondly, i think the end you should do more like we have the 10 users and put them in the system because one, i think when you know the system you can do better. you don't need nobody to tell you. so i see nothing wrong, but i don't know if i'm right, but i think if you have drug cases now you can be part of the india. so i was just thinking you could have me say this people, well, we have the data. if we could get them and put them into force, and i think they will do more more, more, good day more. hm. okay, bye. think so using fire to fight fire faces. let's here you had one more solution for me before we go to the commander. before a youth in this country is going to become a political thought unit to things, unit, drugs and unit weapons. so now this politicians also do not want a situation where they are down into drugs is going to be out of the society because they use this youth as political talks. nobody in his right says is going

to go and, you know, pick a ballot boxes and run with it or to stop somebody in or during the election when somebody's actually exercising his franchise. so you have to be, you know, under influence of some certain drugs. so now the, you know, the, the ball game, it moves back to, you know, the, the, the society and the system. something needs to be done, the executive, legislative and also the other arm of government. ok. let's wind up with mr. mohammed here because i started with you, i don't know whether you think is a valid solution, but i'm also curious to know what more you can have in order to be further empowered to do your job. we are in a situation whereby for example, agencies on the funding i know give me strength best. there are so many agencies or ministers and our government all need funding. so annually, it's not an exception, isn't it? truly, we're talking now. the truth is been under funded,

so govern new to do better to fund agency provides us with all the tools that we need on so that you will see our best foot of able to get in to put their best foot forward. you yeah, well, i thank you for the comments and i think that's a great place to wrap up this debate. now at the beginning, i asked a critical question. is it possible to wage a war and drugs? i don't know the answer to that, but what i do know is that from the discussion here, it is clear that the focus should rather not be on drugs, but on human beings. thank you for watching. ah ah ah ah

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