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beijing in albany? i nod, longest known, i feel it's very difficult to say just what is happening because we currently have so little information. but of course i'm following it closely. and the images that we're seeing from bay jing and other cities around china movement vague with the other. we all remember our own fight against the corona virus against the pandemic ago, and still remember how heavily it weighed on so many in germany in the on is we can only wonder what a burden it must be for the people of china. where measures are far stricter and further reaching even today, they, the mouth nominee are fused, clicked dorothy, lung and houghton, as an beside devising on the side of it. so i understand why people want to voice their impatience and their grievances on the streets of robin. so has a democrat, i can only say that the freedom to express one's own opinion is important to. and i

can only hope that all authorities in china and respect the right to freedom of expression with her and the freedom to demonstrate i and mine, also as long as than one feels for her eyes. and of course not, i hope the demonstrations remain peaceful. whitlow and wellness because it then what we are witnessing ukraine really has nothing to do with the actual war in terms of military operations. policy. it is a war against civilians. why is pretty doing this and what does it change for germany? you heard of best pride and as a smith imply would dispute the idea that it has nothing to do with the war either? yes, i believe what we are seeing is part of the russian war strategy. then really clear that not only do we have a brutal war of invasion, being waged against the ukrainian army in the area in but also, and this is becoming clearer as winter approaches. just a brutal attack on critical infrastructure it. and with that, of course, on the civilian population, as vine that we fear. and this is something we have seen in recent weeks with the

destruction of gas heating and electricity infrastructure. what might await the people of ukraine, hardship, and darkness, and cold and calendar north duncan heads on colder, on the dust. and these are not coincidental side effects, but rather it looks as if they are, in fact the aim of rush and attacks are oh, so you hand that part of russia's strategy, his to hit the civilian population to grind down the entire country. and that is what our solidarity has to stand up to, and that is why we have to help to guarantee these people survive the coming winter of until an indian vendor doesn't. germany is helping ukraine even with arms deliveries. ukraine has meanwhile begun praising berlin for supplying weapons kit ki of is still waiting for battle tanks. isn't this war against the civilian population reason enough for belin to reconsider its approach?

discover in dodson as the i feel that there's not only been a lot of thought in germany, but also a complete rethink and can and as we understood, we had to make decisions. and that doesn't apply to the administration alone, but to the entire german population. who in just a few short weeks in just a few months, won't recognize that the security we had come to know in europe was no longer guaranteed on theaters that had that of the, of the gil, that led to the government, passing massive defense spending measures as well as better equipping the bundis fair will also storm doors and wonderfully on her game that are above all, it actually led to us providing not only humanitarian financial and economic assistance to ukraine, but ultimately far more military assistance given with this not been to ukraine as you know, and i can say the criticism that was being leveled against germany over arms

support has subsided, and there is, instead, a great deal of appreciation to day dunc buckhead. though i also believe that the german federal government went with the right kind of support. that's that the, when i was there, air raid sirens wail daily, and people had to wait out attacks in bomb shelters, come on him and investing in air defense in protection against drones. and especially missiles was exactly the right thing to do for the horn, and was under the messiah logan now, the lifting of bundle. and that is now helping cities and communities across ukraine protect themselves as best they can live in. of course, there is no total protection over, but 60 to 70 percent of russia's missiles. they're now being effectively counted by the ukranian army. also, thanks to german military assistance with well disposal, put them into the nevertheless,

and gemini died. many people have the impression that germany's 1st instinct is to say no before eventually saying yes. why is that? a severed fossil design or attempts are made to create that impression of and judging by conversations i have and i get around in europe and abroad, i don't get the impression that german is military contributions in solidarity with ukraine or under appreciated by law. in de klein over the ukraine recently commemorated the 1000000 victims of the holiday or more the great family that took place 90 years ago. this week, germany intends to recognize this crime as gen, find quite as ukraine in president zalinski has compared that historical crime to what is happening today is put in carrying out genocide in ukraine's 14 and gonna sit into a cleaner. that is the order, the more is the hanford, but the holiday more is a crime that few in germany know much about the but we must remember that it was

the people of ukraine who were the victims of that catastrophic family, off of, on the work of us for, for one, and the catastrophic famine was not the result of failed harvests, as had been claimed over the course of decades, foremost by russian historians than as, but rather was a targeted strategy by the starlen regime in 193219332 starve parts of the population of the then soviet union in order to make them pliable. once a lesson on z contributes amount defend him, dodson boneless thought. i am very, very grateful that the german bonus tag will take the opportunity to commemorate that great tragedy this week. in a non partisan and parliamentary motion and clark, these are likeness ill and is that i good? good selina. and when does presidency? kennedy glister president, you know, the woman g, as in moscow putting, has spoken openly about his designs, the ukraine for years. the german leadership,

including yourself, never took him seriously. how should one deal with the fact that he is now threatening to use nuclear weapons? is that something different? athens of is retired and as the 1st i would dispute the claim that it wasn't taken seriously. was that just look at the years after 2014? i don't think any other administration in europe was as engaged, not only in maintaining a cease fire, but actually using that cease fire as a gateway to piece mince gap. come and then there is the minsk agreement. that we together with france and then ukrainian president petra bra shingo negotiated with russia. weaver was the father club on. and you remember how i took part in untold numbers of attempts to achieve progress in that norman d format? my with france, ukraine, and russia, fords within the thing is, is them in the, in the end we were unsuccessful above old life. so, but at the same time, in my view,

it was right to make the effort i didn't serve was the 2nd. and in regard to the russian threats to use nuclear weapons, i find them intolerable, especially as they come at a time when efforts are being made to create a future in which nuclear weapons are superfluous and look, they are working through the road. the threat of nuclear weapons is therefore not only unjustified. look, it also runs counter to all of our historical experiences. he does this, and it is unacceptable if have a fallen on them and on earth wake legend and advised that it is a further escalation of the war by russia. and there must be no use of nuclear weapons. and i believe that with this stance, we are in unison with nearly the entire world has on things like them. thus there with seem the eye in the deliberations at the g. 20 in barley were another expression of the clear rejection of such threats of thought. i let alone the

actual use of nuclear weapons, a clear signal, the globe, hopefully one that moscow will understand this in must go for something that they should be go through. and what paths do you see leading out of this wall? what might a solution that is acceptable to both sides look like yahoo? gov either debra hopped at these and bits of canon when i believe any one who claims to know what that path is his overreaching. and we are in a phase of the war that is not headed towards a military resolution of an inside on, in oslo, of military of us in oslo after. and we're all i can say is thank god, the people in ukraine are bravely engaged and standing up to the threat stones. is there been long and being on the as in, i know, or kind we're also watching as the ukrainian army drives back

a purportedly superior adversary. and the russian army is nifty inside also. but this is not the decisive juncture from which we can see a way out in, but at least i don't see one, i let him feel long and yet then it is also reckless to suggest a ceasefire. now, because to establish a ceasefire at this point in time, but would essentially condone all of the injustice that has already taken place, that before the end of governance is done yet a ceasefire now would mean that russia would keep for its own the territories. it has occupied them, it had its breach of borders. it's flouting of international law and it's land grabbing. would all receive an official blessing, and that cannot be the aim of a ceasefire that so sadly, i cannot say that i see any way out of the war at this side. and also the list. all kind of thought above all ukraine wants security guarantees, including from germany. before any negotiation start, is that something he of can count on earth. the o'connor had,

the ukraine has called for langley ford, almond ill kleiner, ukraine's demands its expectations are known in the country. they are also of course known within the german federal government in the north. and there have been signals not only from germany, that security solidarity in the form of security guarantees may be feasible in this though one of hung funds ahead guarantee in forster gun. but we are still at a stage where we cannot clearly say what those security guarantees would look like, because who would provide them in and, and what they would have to entail is that on vacant, since the content of such guarantees are tied to the war actually ending and since there is no end in sight right now, we cannot yet formulate security guarantees guarantee in long as those formalism have windows president curtis is the president. we recently held our collective

breath. i had been to rock hit, hit polish territory, was, is it how great is the fear that the war raging in ukraine? i will eventually come to us thought that was of i am, i can't issue over there. that as for me, i have very much that that can be avoided along this darker varden. and my hope has been bolstered actually by the very sensible reaction not only from the united states but from nato as a whole. other like borders on them on the nozzle in schism as i there was close communication between the american president and the polish president. right after the rocket impact in easton, poland communicate the ones with them under the condition president on to the employee list. and there was also an immediate reaction from the head of nature from the secretary j. the other announcing that the cause of the incident would be investigated before a reaction would be determined on than the other. so on. so m as in his over thus

psych does, i believe that shows that level headed nest dominates among the nato countries. and it also shows that a minimum level of military contact with moscow remains in it was one thing that should be emphasized. mark is that both sides should may use of such contacts. if they exist, there's a gun that i know that according to newspaper reports, no one in moscow picked up the phone when they were 1st called. that is an additional risk that must be avoided, recovery from even when the fund wanted to think of the back and forth. that ensued after germany offered to station patient nathan's, and poland defended odds and had, i think germany made an offer appropriate to the current threat level. the dogs of dorothy and mason is video partner. so how the polish government deals with that offer is up to them. i know discussions are also taking place in poland and i

don't want to get involved in them and missile and wellness because it and you are of anton hamilton, north, macedonia, and albania. okay. and the warren ukraine has given a new impetus to europe as mars to the west. and balkans will this will speed up the process of integrating the western vulcans into the you. devices or above design is that i don't know that it will be sped up because that my trip is definitely meant to signal the fact that we have not forgotten about the western balkans, then the hamner to the out the buttons. of course, we have also had debates with our western balkan colleagues who voiced concern that ukraine's desire to join the earl to forge closer ties to the european union. and that we might be being handled differently behind the far more quickly than western balkan states. a you states owed us both and i can understand to some of the

impatience as on the but like many others our, i will guarantee people there that no one has forgotten the western balkan. so kind of kind of a guessing, as done in the of eyes of indeed a trip to north, macedonia, and albania also serves to send a message to the entire region yawn when corresponding domestic progress is achieved. the path toward membership in the european union also becomes more manageable over solve our other the ill had of it. it does not have a time table for western balkan membership. the some there have set the goal of 2030 for and found that when you speak with people there and in the parliament, will you be able to say whether that is realistic been president can, for the time the president does not have profit by them that and that is why i can only repeat that. it all comes down to

a willingness to pass domestic reforms and also a willingness to implement them. and that are women healing with him. and we can also deal with states in the western balkans, differently to day because of the examples of north macedonia and albania. there which have taken clear steps forward on that one of the under that strength and self confidence in those countries. and makes clear to others in the region of the western balkans. the taking the step to join is worth the effort. is that they're both foggy and furthermore, we cannot forget that beyond the question of accession, in the narrower sense, progress is made along the path to membership. adams on the western balkans, accession process began in berlin years ago. and one is on the i remember that it was very tedious at 1st thinkers were, but when i think about the last summit, i think that travel with personal identity cards, reciprocal recognition of school and university diplomas,

and degrees provides the willingness of europeans support despite rising energy prices that cynthia, that those are significant steps for when it 50 or the one good old. so i understand the impatience or no question, but we are not in a phase that calls for dejected this certainly not because of ukraine or as we continue to keep our eye on the western balkan states and on north macedonia and albania, where there has been progress of the union on the overhung invoice with de la fontose d o f. i did from the you expect the last refunds from the western balcony. but it also says that it was perform itself before it can take in new members and begin negotiations. and how long do you think that process will actually last one? as though the movers know, again, other aid should go as quickly as possible that i'll admit that at this moment i do not see signs suggesting the swift reform of european institutions that is known in

since i have known european institutions from the inside for years, i know that we have had a series of multiple crises, were clip and closing the can and the all clears. we remember the eurozone crisis and once lost, and we remember more clearly the so called refugee crisis in 201520165 the wrong that we had a huge challenge for the european union in fighting the corona virus pandemic. the camp wrong. they are covered under mucus, up naturally, these crises all followed one another in rapid succession through the year. and as we can see now, some like the pandemic, and the russian invasion of ukraine continue to weigh upon us. we were deal klein at once a limit and under lusted that absorbs a lot of energy while at the same time, not leaving much mental capacity for inner reforms, which i will concede,

they are desperately needed of italy and therefore the listen m o k. in a quick, saginaw, in most of the western balkan states that have shown great solidarity during the war and ukraine, they have implemented sanctions against russia, despite and major concerns about the consequences. but therapy has repeatedly put its close ties to moscow under sleigh. is that you doing enough to support the western balkans in the fall, a doughty with ukraine? and how should it deal with serbia? on the as the time, vargas, of and to answer the 1st part of your question is how that is one of the reasons i am visiting the region. oh, because of course, i also want to get a feel for the mood in those countries on the thing. here, thousands the hill, and i think we will get a clear picture of the mood, whether north, macedonia, and albania, in this situation in which they have not only showed solidarity with ukraine. not only proven themselves by helping increase economic pressure on russia,

but rather where countries like north macedonia and albania, it also fulfill their obligations within nature and of the not months and even beyond that for albania, which currently sits on the un security council. they nazzo, he in that from neither of him when they had thought that lived in a defender, i'd say that's quite a lot that we can look at that we should respect. so one can of that via that. we have as picky owns out and about it should also spark self confidence in those countries and though daughter so i'm sure i will get a sense of whether that is the case during my trip histone on the therapy and, and he had the by the time to answer the 2nd part of your question regarding serbia, i'd like we have to continue efforts to convince serbia that the path it is currently following his raising questions and concerns about how serious the country is about finding its way into europe organ enough dance of this with their

vic, mid them, the vehicles on global ferguso that i've been accompanying the western balkans journey towards the european union for nearly 20 years. thus months is arvin and i've been to serbia often. i've been given. i'm certain that the people of serbia don't want to step away from the desire shared with many other western balkan states to grow close to the european union and eventually become a member. therefore, i can only hope and continue to attempt to convince serbia's political leadership to pursue this path more clearly of hong and zavion. the fonts, zuber thawing, these and vague with iron door discard, so good. social is not good of designer. these are weighed about this conflict between serbia and constable that have been settled at the last minute b. what can germany and europe are due to contain this security risk in the region

in the long term that we have answered in that in conflict and gets off and issue pastors. as for the conflict i, i find it fitting final question like not because it's resolution shows once again how important europe at the european union are for the region in this new. once we go, if there were no desire to look to europe and then europe would not have negotiating leverage in such conflicts between serbia and crossover. there are other on doesn't are still is nothing. nevertheless, i am still convinced that it is the desire to come to europe on to eventually join the european union. a wish that is prominent in all of the western balkan states. that gives europe leverage of these and the possibility to negotiate. and thus, the ability to help find a solution in this seemingly tiny, at least in our eyes, seemingly manageable conflict over automobile license plays of

a conflict her learn if tiny conflicts can be dealt with, then perhaps larger conflicts could also be peacefully resolved, contributing to a normalization of relations between serbia and crossover and our indecency in flickers. but president stan my at thanks for speaking to us. thank you. ah, with

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