ah, it could very well be the last time this year that native leaders come together to discuss the russian invasion of ukraine christmas and the new year, or just around the corner. but there will not be any holiday for this war. and that explains the message today from us, secretary of state entity blanket. our collective support is as strong as ever. he said, the winter, the cold, the russian air strikes will not change that to night words of comfort to go along with weapons of war. i'm forgotten berlin, this is the day ah, we're meeting at a critical juncture. as you can continue to see so many are on the battlefield, we need need to type thanks. and the decision must be unlocked as soon as possible

. we know the president putin's play book, freeze and star ukrainians, decisions must be made before thank you. secure, to prevent register. this brutalization of ukraine's people is barbaric. the message is simple. give patriots as soon as you can also coming up, it's known as the hello to more a devastating famine that struck ukraine in the 19 thirty's. today the german parliament recognized it as a soviet orchestrated genocide. the great famine, deliberately provoked by stalin kid of a 3300000 ukranian women, men and children. we stand united in stating that hunger must never again be used as a weapon. ah, but you've, our viewers watching on p b. s in the united states and to all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the day with a promise to keep a promise. there,

there has been one constant in the messaging of the west since the beginning of the russian invasion of ukraine. we stand by ukraine as nato reps up its meeting this week. that message has not changed. it's meaning however that meaning is. busy evolving while the u. s. the u. k. in european countries, such as germany continued to sit weapons to ukraine, the emphasis at the moment is on what civilians meet russian air strikes of damaged much of the energy grid in ukraine just in time for winter. us secretary of state antony, blank in today, took aim at moscow for trying to freeze and starve the ukrainian people heat, water, electricity, for children, for the elderly, for the sick. these are present putin's new targets. he's heading them hard. this brutalization of ukraine's people is barbaric. russia,

savage saxon ukrainian civilians are the latest demonstration that president putin currently has no interest in meaningful diplomacy. the best way to actually hasten the prospects for real diplomacy is to sustain our support to ukraine and continue to tilt the battlefield in his favor. well, you great is welcoming these promises of support from native allies, but it's also pushing for that support to come faster. of speaking, after the talks, de ukraine's foreign minister listed his country's main priorities for the difficult winter months ahead, equipment to repair the energy grid, native style tanks, and advanced air defense systems. one type of missile in particular, the message is simple. give patriots as soon as you can, because this is the system that you create needs to protect its sevilla, civilian population and critical infrastructure. this is not an offensive weapon. well, patriot missiles surface to air missiles would certainly market major advance in

military aid. from the west. ukraine says that it's trying to convince germany to allow delivery of the systems via a 3 way deal with poland. but for now, ukraine has received native commitments for more defensive weapons and energy. here's d, w. alexandra for not is crucial for ukraine as to country is facing constant attacks on its energy infrastructure. and russia has said bombed one 3rd of this infrastructure over the last few weeks, according to the u. s. administration. so it's clear that ukraine urgency needs what nato allies are offering generators, power, transformers, other equipment, the u. s. alone has pledged to provide you queen with more than 50000000. you asked dollars. however, we also have to say that the ukranian foreign minister was also present here,

made to caliah once again today that what ukraine also wants is, for instance, you as are for instance, you estimate patriot missile defense assistance. and debt is something dad's elyse will talk about, according to nato secretary general, it's told him back, but at a decision on that, on whether those systems can be provided to ukraine has not been made yet. there was alexander phenomena reporting from bucharest. i want to pull in now, christine bra, xena. she is a senior fellow for security and defense policy at the german marshall fund of the united states. she joined me tonight from washington. christina school, debbie withers. i want to ask about patriot missiles in just a moment, but 1st, this nader meeting we, we saw what's your take on that, what, what's the biggest take away? the meeting is in many ways symbolic, because it allows nato leaders to come quite close to ukraine in a front line. nato state along the eastern blankenburg, rest to establish methods for and,

and get everyone on the same page for supporting ukraine and also reinforcing nato defense in the future. bucharest, the symbolic because this is where in 2008 or ukraine and georgia were told that they will be able to become nato members. and so to have that conversation again before this hard winter in bucharest, to reinforce those commitments and to have partners there to have the ukrainians, bosnians, george, and mold dolan's there. in addition to soon to be nato members, finland and sweden shows a very big nato family committing to future defense, current defense, before a rough war. yeah, a big family with big missiles including patriot missiles. not too sure the how much they want to share those missiles with you crate and how key are they for ukraine, and will the ukrainian military ever have there is a lot of hope that the ukraine will have a longer range defensive air systems. now the patriot is a long range air defense system. we've seen at the highmark zuka job. there are

good german systems that are in place in ukraine, but they can't shoot very far. and the need is to have something that can reach much further. the patriot system can do that, but there's always a question in certain countries across nato. what will these missiles be used for? and there's nervousness that what happens if you crane uses these systems, potentially for shooting into russia. this is a long range question, and is crimea, russia? ukraine doesn't think so. yeah. but there is a question. what happens if you, if crimea is struck because many of these missiles attacks against ukraine are happening from crimea. and what happens if russia, the internationally recognized version of russia is struck by these missiles and this anxiety has put a pause on long range systems. but you can't rebuild an energy grid every week. and the more russia attacks them where you have to have a solution. yeah, and we know that you creams for mr. nelson, germany as

a potential supplier of patriot missiles, take a listen of what was said. but if germany is ready to provide petrovich to poland, and poland has nothing against ah, handing this feathers over to ukraine than i think that the solution for the german government is all this is little convoluted. the way this is going to happen. but let me just ask you, can you see germany allowing this deal to happen? there's a lot of pressure on germany to make this deal happen. i think we're closer to making it happen because again, you cannot rebuild all the infrastructure in the country every week. and the aim of this bucharest meeting was to try to talk about reconstruction and moving forward. there are no guarantees. again, there are lots of sensitivities here, but germany is moving into a more sharing direction than it has been fixed. so because you see germany eventually saying yes to this deal, i say somebody across natal saying yesterday,

the steel, the need to put you created a better position and to make this misery and is very high. germany seems a good candidate right now, but there were also reports that the u. s. is considering also sending patriot missiles, although not right away. big, they who sends it how and what kind of merry go round the weapons transfer is happens to make it happen is not yet clear, but the input, if they didn't pay the impetus to make sure that something changes that these missiles do not hit all of the infrastructure every week is there, but as with many of the things, they're bureaucratic, their convoluted, the germany would provide a simple solution. and of course, the ultimate goal still remains ending this war. take a listen to what the nato had. yes, doctor, what he said today if a crane does not prevail as independence over those states. bill, of course a membership issue is not on the table at all. whatever you think about when you

can come home, a member, a pre condition for the issue to be at the table at all, is that the ukraine prevails. ukraine has the when the war, then we can talk about joining nato. that that's the message there, right? don't try to turn your cart in front of the horse. is that what he's saying? absolutely, that ukraine has to be successful, which also means that russia has to lose. and this is where the conversation about weapons comes in. ukraine can't be successful and getting back its territory unless it beats russia back and the ukraine needs the tools to do so. and i think the clarity that this won't end until ukraine forces and ending on its own terms by having a territory back. that this is square one and we're seeing more mobilization to give you creating the tools to make that happen. nato has also valve to support while dover, ga, and bosnia. we've all been shaken by russia's invasion. i mean,

it is extending its security umbrella very wide, or at least the hopes of being under this umbrella. alpha can it stretch before it stretches too much? well, if the hope of the umbrella right. because if the umbrella had extended to give in february, we wouldn't be where we are today. and so this hope for countries to be able to enter remains the symbolic nature of bucharest, and best summits there themselves. but bosnia, moldova, georgia, have the hope of entry with that hope rest on ukraine winning. because russia is trying to stop this process, stop countries from joining nato in ukraine. and so the proof is going to be in this victory in this fight run out of time the, the inflows of weapons to you grade. what we've heard from everyone is that these

weapons shipments have to continue unabated and perhaps a year, another year, another 2 years. do you see that happening? there is of course, a tremendous demand. the amount of ammunition that is used in ukraine is tremendous . and really unlike what many western countries were expecting from a more of these days, there have been ammunition stockpiles. but they're not that huge. no one was think, expecting a year long, traditional 20th century style military conflict. and so there's a need now to really produce weapons. yes, the weapons are there, but industry and countries have to catch up and start making more now. yeah, it's hard to believe that we're having a conversation now was 2023 just around the corner. christina rosina with the german marshall fund of the united states. we appreciate your time and your insights tonight. thank you. thank you. russian human rights activists say that 9000 russian soldiers have died since the war. you great began. it is impossible to verify that number,

but what we do know is that russian state media are pushing in narrative that these soldiers did not die in vain of president vladimir putin. this message is vital, not only to the war effort. it could also be key to his political survival, w corresponded theory, rachada reports, confusion about the reasons for going to war, few gains on the ground and the chaos of mobilization. the war in ukraine is not going well for russia. the withdrawal of troops from house on, at the beginning of november, was moscow's biggest set back since the world began. hotline, as in moscow, have been grumbling, ever since 3 of the loudest have been businessman yevgeny pre goshen. chechnya and leader graham's unclear of, and former president dmitri mcdade, if for goshen, one of latimer puritans close his confidence is making himself especially

noticeable for years he denied the existence of his mercenary army, the wagner group. but recently he changed his story and said he's been in charge of the paramilitary organization since 2014 global warming. the irrigation has 2 political instruments. you the wagner grip and the media outlets that have helped him gain popularity and status. law latanus discipline, arrested everyone. his bones all know, so she could was no french when she lost. he's a kind of external service provider for the state. he has some of the power of the state and acts as a political figures. you brought in mid september, a video came out that showed a man who looked like promotion, recruiting russian prisoners to fight in ukraine. helium,

i didn't thought knew what their mouth walk, their reward freedom were, and money is cash. we believe another putin i'll i who has been all over the headline since the war began. is rams. on career of chechnya, leda has publicly criticized rushes generals for being too soft on luck. i looked at the medina, ted euros, is using the media to broaden his influence and to show everyone that he is a major player or chrome. we're still until sher still doesn't rock. chechen soldiers a fighting on rushes side in the dumbass region. cook children's kitty or of as being used by potent just like promotion to recruit fresh troops for the front lies. meant v 8 f, who served as president and prime minister has been stoking the fires of anti west and hatred and making optimistic predictions that russia were when the war and ukraine pneumonia. he is even said that nuclear weapons of the way to give russia

badly, it's for my imperial glory, se lucia in australia. sure. what is the limit of so you always just from the he has a need for admiration of the former president who has become a nobody ish. darcy, i think he wants to an political capital. he seems to still have political ambitions. and he said, just how much pre goshen cordero, a med gate, if a putting president putin under pressure is unclear. but 9 months into the war in ukraine displeasure is growing in russia over its course and that was be over usury rachelle reporting there. remember, if you can catch us live, you can always watch today's edition on demand online. just go to our website at dw dot com slash the day. ah, world, germany's parliament has recognized a famine in ukraine,

a famine that happened 90 years ago. as genocide perpetrated by russia, ukrainians recently commemorated the laudable, a famine deliberately engineered by soviet leader of the stall. at least 3900000 people died of hunger between 1932 in 1933 while moscow targeted ukraine with increasingly repressive measures. several countries have already condemned the whole lot more as genocide against the ukrainian people, including ireland, moldova, and we're me and here is the green party politician robin wagner. opening today's debate on the hoa i design this horror. it was not caused by a force of nature in seek not by fateful crop failures on ukraine's fertile land. you've got her. this horror was caused by the kremlin dought off the dictator made

the cruel decision there to impose collectively zation by force and cost of ation. with the 2 and the killing by starvation also aimed at the political suppression of the ukrainian national consciousness. ukrainian culture and language some to you. my next guests, alexander shabba, is a former ambassador to austria from ukraine. he's also the author of ukraine versus darkness. a collection of essays based on the 2 and a half decades he spent as a career diplomat in speech writer for ukrainian leaders. ambassador, it's good to have you back on the program. i had to ask you, your country is in the midst of a war, a 5th of the territory is occupied right now by russia. another 3rd is being bombed into darkness and in frigid winter coat. miss. what can the recognition of the hello to more as genocide by the german parliament? what can that do to help ukrainians right now?

well, once you understand the scope of this tragedy, you mention 3000000 people. when there was a bus there in austria, i was explaining this to us trans. imagine that you are in one winter. the whole young gods leaned from plugins for would die the most horrible slow humiliation ukraine is a traumatized nation. a nation that was heard and deeply by the kremlin, the very force that we are fighting right now. every family has stories about you know, what's, what's happened in those in that, that, that terrible winter, or in the case of my family when ever had the year old girl marina, who survived like the whole family of the winter. but when the tree blossoming time came, she saw a compassion blossoming and she started eating. she,

she just ran for a start. if you think we'll just stop and if you use too much blossom you die because it's bouncing. every family has stories like that. so for us emotionally, it's extremely, extremely important. also, the whole feel comes tribute to, for, to, for germany on to other countries on the stand better. why we don't want to give our poor to this power called the cram with, well yeah, there is a connection, isn't there between what happened 90 years ago and what is happening right now. i mean, does the meaning of the whole of them or has it changed or is it stronger now in the collective memory of ukrainians because of the current russian invasion? well, we for the realization of the scope of the score, it was with us all these years, especially under president fusion cokie dedicated

a lot of you know, effort to, to tardy what's happened. what's important for us is, is be this political dimension. quite frankly, i remember from my career diplomatic career how long the united states were absolutely clear about to armenian genocide, but didn't recognize that because turkey was a strategic partner of the united states wants to now wasn't a strategic partner. there was a recognition. so on germany's part, it's sure the size of this old sites on ground, the turn of time that's finally this fixation on russia, not there anymore. and the message from the outside also seems to be a, a confirmation of what you already know to be true. that is, ukraine is a nation state because that fact has been put into question by russian president

vladimir putin with this invasion. right? absolutely, just the true story. politically psychological, it's huge it's, it's important, but 1st of all, quite frankly, i me personally, i expect germany to understand mac. we are right now why the 5 will because it's the same power that's killed 3 people 90 years ago. the kremlin hasn't changed much. soon, at least in the beginning of this war, they published the article called what to do with ukraine and describes what they want to do. their plans and it's included, everything is in this message, the queue, some different cool. you can look at it, you know, read occasionally, bring them culture and language. it was a startling, you know, who, your documents. and it was donnie, how little russia has changed edison. i'm going to sound like a like a cynic here,

but there are some people who could say that the german parliament voted to recognize the whole lot more as a genocide because of its own guilty conscience. because germany did not act quickly enough when the russian invasion began back in february. is that possible or is that just a cynical view with seeing what happened today? i hope it also includes the fact that these 3000000 ukranian diets for europe knowing and care and 90 years ago. imagine such a tragedy going on and these, you know, information gleick him to europe or, well joe, money had you know, special time during those years. so i didn't know, but johnny told care about things that are happening outside the country. but the whole euro must have bad conscience about because, because, because all these,

you know, in some people died 9 years ago without europe really caring. and europe certainly cares. now, at least that's the message that includes germany. what does ukraine need and want from germany, right? now ukraine weapons to prevent a new genocide and you genocide, that would be inevitable in this scope on the smallest score. but you know, any compromise with a genocidal maniac is a compromise with a genocide. so stop pushing and stop seem out of stubborn ukrainians. who enjoy this war? we don't, but we know to well what it weighs us if we lose. so please give up air defense. give us up and please give us lamp ours. your wonderful, wonderful. thanks for joining produce. it would be historically

a good thing on exam the chevron, the former ukrainian of acid to austria, and after we appreciate your time and your valuable insights tonight. thank you. thank you. ah. and finally, the blessings of the by gets these slender loaf of bread that is so typical of france has joined a united nations list of culturally important items. whitelow is crunching on the outside. soft on the inside. many french people buy one every day and can't imagine living a day without the buy get is thought to have been 1st developed by baker's working in the army of the emperor napoleon. bonaparte long bred for a short leader. the day's almost done. the conversation continues online, your findings, whether either need of you news, you can follow me on twitter. it brent. gov tv. i remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day. we'll see that

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