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[000:00:00;00] ah, an aristocrat, a judge, and a former member of germany special forces. those are just some of the people arrested today for allegedly plotting to overthrow germany's government. more than $3000.00 officers rated homes, businesses and even army barracks and one of the biggest anti extremism operations in modern german history. for over a year, the suspects are said to have worked on their plans to seize power by force driven by deep state conspiracies. and inspired by the storming of the u. s. capital. now they faced terrorism charges on nichol ferla, him, berlin, and this is the day ah,
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the risks to suspect the united by their rejection of state institutions. in germany there is a suspects, belief in conspiracy. myths goes with many people consider to be completely absurd . fantasies can lead other people to a highly dangerous decision to take action. a police weren't extraordinarily stupid people. they'll have a university education with a certain amount of experience. polarization is on the rise, and we have to defend our democracy every single day. also on the day seeking a peace packed with nature and biodiversity talks and monterey all time is running out to save the world's ecosystems from irreversible human destruction. echo systems have become placing of profit with our balsam less f. besides for,
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unchecked, and then nick will economic gross humanity as become a weapon of mass extinction. we are treating nature like a thorn lives and ultimately we are could meeting suicide by proxy. ah, they reject the legitimacy of the current german state and have been a thorn and the sign of germany's authorities for quite some time. now 25 alleged members of the far right of ice burger or citizens of the nice movement have been arrested. an overnight raids in germany, austria and italy, for the past here, there believe to have been planning to violently topple the government and berlin countries. tom federal prosecutors said the alleged crew plotters intended to form a new army and install a minor aristocrat. as germany's leader. it is the biggest anti terrorism rate in
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germany for many years. on wednesday morning, some 3000 police raided more than a 100 properties in several german states and arrested 25 people. all of them suspected members, all supporters of the so called christ spoke a movement, their goal, a crew data in germany. they wanted to overthrow democracy. the for her wrist as suspects are united by their rejection of state institutions in germany and so on. an invoice, lyricist suspects, belief in conspiracy myths consisting of different narratives from the vice burger ideology as well as the queue on an ideology speaker. if you look here, so vida, who, and need you to the network was made up of both a political and a military group, according to german authorities. they had planned to invade the german born to stock and use violence. germany's interior minister nancy phaser said the investigations provided a glimpse into the quote, a bit of a terrorist threat from that iceberg media there could to some decent talk,
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who wouldn't agree on a day like today, where there's one of the biggest raids against fall rights efforts aimed at attacking of state. that polarization is on the rise and we have to defend our democracy every single day. at school named and v eden tuck ones. the devil cut t off lawyer for tidings. if they had succeeded, this man was to become the new head of state highland choice, a descendant of an aristocratic family from eastern germany, who still uses the symbolic title of prince heinrich. the 13th. the entrepreneur from frankfurt is said to be the ring, lita. she would have been installed as the new justice minister bigot my zak vin common, who was a member of the german parliament for the far right alternative for germany party until last year. she has since resumed working as a judge idabel in court efforts to remove her from a position because of her involvement with fall right? extremists failed earlier this year. but the court confirmed that she was released
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from her duties on wednesday the rice berger at far right extremist, deeply anti democratic movement. its members reject the german state under the democratic system and are prone to violence. german authorities estimate that the scene consists of some 20000 people between 2015 at mid 2017 alone. more than $10500.00 crimes are said to have been committed by so called price boca ellen spring and lawrence bloom. and tyler is a spokesperson for the i'm a day when tanya foundation here in germany, which works to promote human rights and oppose extremism and anti semitism. mister bloom, teller, good to see you. what does the scale of today's raids tell you about the threat emanating from right wing extremist groups here in germany? i mean it's basically something that we are observing over the last. and also wondering about the last 4 years, we are facing a serious crime democracy,
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the cobra makes of conspiracy believes. and also i'm the estimation of brian pay, an extra human have contributed to extreme forms of rent because base and especially in the space. they are not just friends, conspiracy, believe us, but also judges from a bonus tag, members and active form, or former soldiers, also from the special forces that went part of this network that was prosecuted as a day. and this alone shows how serious, i mean, we need to take this threat of, of turning a blind eye on, especially right wing extremism, but authority say that today's res, prove the status. vigilant and on top of things, do you share this assessment? i think i'm the one hand today for the 1st time we've seen that lindsey of what the
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patients like the color defense of democracy. and i'm very happy to they acted on that promise. but on the other hand, i think the mistakes that have been made in the past will just be felt like good police work. we need to more, we need the listing approach that strengthen the prevention and the radicalization measure and democracy education. because otherwise, i don't think that this will go away anytime soon. how concerning are the groups tie as to germany? security apparatus? i think it is very concerning that former and armed soldiers always part of these networks when they finally gets tumbled by the police. and i think that is something that's petitions and police forces
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needs to deal with themselves and not just externalize that by some of the rate, but we also need better education some sorts of awareness within these institutions as well. democracy work doesn't stop within the police. won't the thread has been made visible, but by no means eliminated. you talk about education, but there are sectors of society. you know, the ring leader of this group. he, he was, i believe in his late sixty's. how do you reach people who are so advanced in age and probably also pretty settled in their world views with initiatives education as you suggest? yeah, i think when we talked about the occasions, i don't mean like classical school education, but furthermore, we rather need to tech all parts and aspects of society. for instance,
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also people that work do administrator for, especially in regards what the price, burger id, ology. oftentimes they are confronted with this forums of ideology and the 1st place when people went to burn the passport or hand and id because they don't believe in the existence of their german state. so i think that was something where i think part of the german state administrative body should co operatives just much better to, to tackle these issues and radicalization tendencies much earlier before the turn 60 and have a close. well, you say that we're in a crisis of democracy and germany, how resilient is a democracy here in the country? and in this, in this crisis, as you call it,
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i think it is more resilient them. and then we like to release in a lot of ways because 1st there was 20152016. the summer of migration done. we had a massive racist m mobilization that then truck transferred into the colon from demick and then taxes. and the spring of conspiracy beliefs, and now we face russian best and for mediation that energy crisis, which also draws a lot of people into conspiracy, believes and right being extreme doesn't. but i think especially it birds, the good work of civil society on some parts. also, the german state has contributed to a rather resilient german democracy, including the work of your organization, the i'm a new antonia foundation,
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lawrenceville, and taylor. thank you so much. thank you very much. ah, and 2007 time magazine named vladimir putin. it's person of the hear back then they rode. if russia succeeds as a nation state in the family of nations, it will, oh, much of that success to one man fled amir vladimir a rich potent, 15 years later, it is potent violent attack on that same family of nations and its core values that put ukrainian president followed him years the lensky on times, front page naming him and the spirit of ukraine, person of the year. the magazine said it was honoring the country's resistance to russia's invasion time, said it was the most clear cut choice in memory, and that ukraine's fight was a reminder to the world of the fragility of democracy. in while the u. s. has
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denied encouraging ukraine to launch strikes inside russia for 3 apparent drone attacks on targets that moscow blames on keep an air field and a curse region and to air bases further inside russia came under attack. earlier this week, ukraine has not claimed responsibility and washington stopped short attributing the strikes to keep for fear of escalating the conflict. we have neither encouraged nor enabled the ukrainians to strike inside of russia. but the important thing is to understand what ukrainians are living through every day with the ongoing russian aggression against their country. and our determination to make sure that they have in their hands, along with many other partners around the world, the equipment that they need to defend themselves to defend their territory, to defend their freedom. russia's invasion of ukraine has caused devastating loss of life, but both sides have been secret. if a balance is how many of their soldiers have died,
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civilian casualties are also impossible to state with any kind of certainty. our next report looks at the reasons why 9 months of fighting air strikes artillery battles and close combat in towns across a 900 kilometer long frontline, leaving thousands dead. but how many 1000 is on known? russia stated in september that it had lost just under 6000 troops, but the u. s. military says it's lost about a $100000.00 on the field. ukraine recently said that about 13000 of id soldiers had died in the war, but the us said it's number of casualties is also more like 100000. the us uses a variety of methods to figure out that number, including satellite footage, as well as social media, images of the battlefield. when you stated that 100000 ukranian soldiers had died, kiev reacted with anger, saying, such figures were classified and that the government would release statistics when
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the time was right. you later backtracked from that claim. meanwhile, the low numbers, russia has released seemed meant to reassure the public that the war is not a catastrophe. the civilian death toll another big question, the united nations most recent statistics, 7000 civilians dead. but the front line is too dangerous for observers to make a real count. many russian occupied areas like the city of merrier, fall, or mass graves have been photographed by satellites, may hold tens of thousands more, and russia is not letting international monitors into those areas. russia in general, makes no comment on the number of civilian casualties in ukraine. for more on this, i'd like to bring in doctor jade mcglenn. she's a senior researcher as a monterey initiative in russian studies at the university of oxford. good to see
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you again and tell me why the ukrainian government so secretive about its war casualties. i think it makes a lot of sense why this is secretive, and that's because it would be very damaging to moral you. raining. people are going through an awful lot at the moment, and i think most ukrainians understand that the numbers of casualties a far higher than the figures that the kid has officially released. but it's not necessarily helpful at this moment in time, particularly when morale needs to needs to be kept quite high to release the real figures. but wouldn't it also help to, to garner more support at a moment where it is in, in certain parts of the world fading to show the real extent of, of what russia is causing. and ukraine does interesting actually studies tend to show that i'm support. i'm at least in america and in western europe. support for
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was pepsi did not by the crimes will sort of outrage caused by one of the sites, but actually by the belief that a country and the country that's causing all their own country can win the war. so in some ways, again, to release these figures would not necessarily be helpful because most of the, the research that's going into sort of public support for was, she's that provided the site thinks provided the public feels that they are supporting a war that is winnable by the us by the side that they're scooting and then they will continue to support it. so that's what they respond to success. rather, even if it takes a long time, rather than i'm rather than outraged sometimes that can be sort of demoralizing to the supporting audience as well. i want to get your take on the recent developments and the war, the strikes on russian air bases. how much of a headache are they to put? i say they're quite a headache because they shoot festival incredible vulnerabilities within, within, within russia itself. and of course,
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they completely puncture admits the already quite conscious image that this war is just an operation that happened in ukraine wouldn't have any effect on you, the russian people. and quite clearly, that is not the case quickly. they're not safe. i followed quite closely. social media channels of the, of the border regions. and i also sort of have a contact there. and you can see new people are very tired of, you know, having to steve of being hit by strikes ukrainian missiles and you, there's a general sense of well, we didn't sign up to this on this. you know, quite, quite interesting to observe. burton did say today that his army could be fighting in ukraine for a long time, but that he saw no sense in mobilizing more soldiers at this point. looking at the situation you're, you're painting there, there are no gains, heavy casualties, lack of equipment, lack of support, how much longer can you keep this up? i think he can probably keep it up for quite
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a while actually provided that he doesnt demonte much sacrifice of the rushing people. so he, as you say, he announced that they would not be a 2nd wave of liberalization. and one of the reasons for that is because when they did announcement, blaze ation, clearly there was quite a backlash and it's been seen in, in polls, including sort of the secret polls that aren't really very secret because they've been leak, tolliver, russian media now western media and that show that people really initially began to 10 against the war to, to view as some, you know, not going pudding to plan and not being for well and having been a terrible idea from the start. because they didn't, because mobilization, essentially i'm scared everybody. so it's been quite important to try to be settled . the horses i miss it was trying to settle population, make them, make them feel calmer. i think the now what beaten and what the criminal will be hoping to do is to just get through the winter. and you try to. and we'll be hoping that the elections, or democratic developments in the west might bring to power people who are less
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willing to support ukraine, or who will put pressure and ukraine to, to negotiate arm in such a way that they would see territory or something that putin could, could count as the wind and then could go away like, assumes and, and sort of re arman and come back and try again later. dr. joe mcglenn at the university of oxford, always a pleasure. ah, very true humanities, best friends. without nature, we have nothing. without nature, we are nothing. nature is our life support system. and yet, humanity seems hell bent on destruction. we are waging war on nature's un secretary general, antonio good harris. they're urging government to end what he calls an orgy of destruction as a buying a diversity. somebody kicks off in canada and it's opening and mon trail guitars
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warn humanity has become a weapon of mass extinction. and that it must change court. many experts are calling the summit a final chance to save the world species and ecosystems, as we know them. are the bones of an elephant poach, $45.00 rain kenya. images like these are very visible. remind me of the thread that humans post animal and plant life for a station, changes in land use, the climate crisis and pollution are also taking the big tall. about $1000000.00 species are currently at risk of becoming extinct due to human activity. this not only threatens to degrade ecosystems further, but also endangers our own welfare. we depend on by davis, therefore, the food we eat, their water, we drink, their sequestration of cub on b, maddie, since we take for is found 70 percent of cancer. drugs come from bio diversity or
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nature. the u. n. by diversity conference was sent on how to protect 30 percent of land and sea by 2030 scientists stress that this target is needed to prevent the collapse of ecosystems and human prosperity in the future. the biggest threat is us human beings and our lives. our relationship with the nature changes, the situation will continue to deteriorate. i'm saying saw because 97 percent of the global biodiversity is degraded, is the result of human action. we need to take urgent measures to protect ourselves from ourselves, experts argue, but who will cover the costs. some emerging and developing economies such as indonesia, india, brazil, south africa, entered democratic republic of congo, tend to be particularly rich in bud versity. but these countries argue that they lack the resources to expand the conservation efforts. they are demanding financial
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support from rich nations. we don't want to see a target which has absolutely no hope of implementation. scientists say there is no time to lose. however, even if the cut 15 participants at an ambitious target, it can only be the beginning. none of the by the versity objectives agreed at the 2010 convention, have yet been fully implemented by the global community. and i'm joined now by accident runs on sunday w environment. and how bad is it? it's bad. so, i mean, it just a few years ago we have this landmark scientific review for yeah, the world's best scientists across well. and they really found that the rate at which nature is declining is unprecedented. ramsey, anything like it from the dinosaurs wiped out the rate to which species are going extinct is getting faster and faster and faster and faster. and all of this is
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happening when we know how we can stop the problem. we know how we could prevent these species from being driven to extinction. and that same time, they also found that what we're doing is i'm to know that we'll just had in the report. and what is the impact of biodiversity loss on an hour? so it affects our lives in every way. so i mean, earlier today i had a cup of coffee and a bar of chocolate. and that cup of coffee, i mean if we kill out all the pollinators like the wild bees and the buzz that go around from plant to plant to make sure that pollen gets transferred. if we kill them out, the coffee is gone. i mean, you can't make a coke is gone chocolate you can't make without having to, well, pollinated coffee, the yield drop by about 50 percent or so. and so you end up in situations where just basic foods that were so used to rely on these and pyar ecosystems that were destroyed without really being very conscious of it. and so it was interesting of that, i guess all of these things come together in certain ways, and occasionally you maybe get
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a glimpse of how it affects your life that may some time you don't. and so these big things, issues like the food that we eat, the fish that we, well fish from the sea and things. they have huge potential to go wrong. if we keep on pressing all the buttons that were pressing to make to tip them player to place the edge. so let's talk solutions. what can be done to reverse that trend, or at least stop it, where it stands right now for their big things we can easily do. i mean that we know we need to do so things like sucking climate change from getting any worse. so stop binding fossil fuels. we stop heating the planet that mean the ocean stop getting so hot the fish from getting boiled to death. eventually, we can do things like protecting area major. that's one of the big question marks around the conference happening right now. getting an agreement by the end of the decade to protect 30 percent of the land and sea, which i mean center. so can play. it's not enough to actually hold biodiversity loss to the rates at which we need to stop them. but it would be
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a big step forward. other things like avoiding plastic pollution and kind of dealing with the waste, better stopping the exportation of be consistent resources and mining and logging. all of the things would need to be scaled back drastically to stop the drastic decline and bite over when we have a couple of seconds. but i do want to know if you are confident that there will be some sort of meaningful result at the end of the summer. how to say, i mean, most people that we're hearing from don't seem to be very hopeful that there will be. but at the same time, this is a good chance to push forward some of the, the big posts of the 2030, but, but some of clemency by 2030. that really seems to be in the spotlight right now. whether it quite gets there or not. i'd say the stage you're right, edge ignorant, and thanks for coming in. and that is our times or to day to make sure to follow our team on twitter finance at stain w, news and myself at knuckle, just or from. now from all of us on the day and from a jake, thank you so much for spending part of your day
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