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president she, jim pig visit to south uribe up. so what does china want, and what does that mean for the why? the region ah i british manager, welcome to the doctor, news asia. glad you could join us. indonesia has released from prison. the man convicted of making the bombs used in the bali, bombings of 2002 or more partake, had served about half his sentence of 20 years before his release. the government says he was successfully reformed in prison and that he'll be monitored during his for all the bombings in 2002 on the holiday island of bali killed 202 people. many of them australians, kendra, had urged indonesia numerous times to reconsider party extra lees. but in the end,

those concerns came to not the called him demolition man who mar patty admitted building the barley bombs at his home. but throughout his trial a decade ago, he always denied planning the attacks. the judges agreed and handed him a hefty prison sentence instead of the death penalty. or, you know, it is proven that i am just the little guy. i had a small role. i am a dear, not an elephant. bravo. i've been sake on credit authority. see patty has since been de radicalized, and can know, have his life back. survivors are angry, very distraught. some i'm shocked really her or couldn't. ok, still can't understand. have this person about her. cried out so much loss of life,

much as fool aiyona strains, 203 people could be walking free this morning here in either in indonesia and it just doesn't seem well at all. i can understand that the bombings carried out on to night clubs on october 2002 destroyed hundreds of lives, and left a scar on the city. for those there that night, the culprits release comes with questions. say buffer. i feel that it's bizarre, that such crimes against humanity can be granted parole. what are the guarantees that they would not do the same thing? damina my mother for me, emily, i'm very sad to hear that he was finally freed. i just hope the government is committed to its parole requirements. they won't even at them are more real to the victims. the names of the dead servers are painful remainder of

the stakes involved. gentlemen are from autumn. this is did up the jakarta correspondent sharon, my resume along sharon. i think the question on everyone's mind is why has partake been released yet? so it's not new for indonesian to release terrorist and paddock who was sentenced in 2012. he was sentenced for 20 years in prison, and the reason why is released now according to authorities, is because patrick has already served or 2 thirds of majority of his prison time. he also has shown good behaviors and he has been di, radicalized in fact. but that was an i is an i can for the nation government for their do radicalization program. so that's why right now, but that has been released. how's the government so sure that this man who is behind the death of so many people is effectively de radicalized. how show there is no way to ensure whether someone is fully des,

radicalized or not. but pot tag in the future will be closely monitored by the government of indonesia and the fact that he's also still in parole until to the 2030. he will be also joining a mentoring program until then. and the radicalization program in asia so far has been, um, you know, people say it's successful. we have seen success stories. i have met and talked to former parish conflicts who is now economically empowered. and they can, you know, no longer dependent or on their a previous thera, groups. but also we have seen yesterday a suicide bomb being that happened in band to him who was arrested if this means he previously was charged for a terry sentence. so there is no way to ensure whether someone is fully to do radicalize. we just have to wait and see. and therefore, the person is, as you earlier mentioned that this is not the 1st time the indonesian government

has released a tourist, particularly when it comes to or people related to the bali bombings. for example, last year i will bucher by so you must him clerical, formerly headed, the group that was behind the bombings was released last year after his sentence was reduced. the question is, why is the indonesian government so keen to release terrorists and those connected to the bali, bombings the reasons are it ranging, you know, for example, for humanitarian reasons, as for the case for the i will back out of our share. but also there is skepticism or criticisms that say, oh, the movies just politically motivated, but at the same times are asked, but also see it as a good move uh for the government that can be seen. um, you know, the stairs can help them to. i then to 5 to arrest harris and in order to combat terrorism. so indonesia got the upper hand to really combat terrorism in the country. most of the victims of these a bali,

bombings were australian under australia's home minister clare or mean has called it got a horrible day for the families. is the concern of the release of partic, could impact indonesia relations with australia. here the government of us really has said that every australian has the right to be disappointed by the news of the release of will mar pat. but the government will urge the nation government to really work in a close tie and to surveil on my part i closely so that he won't do the same thing again in the future. so, so far, indonesia knows trulia has been a close in a close partnership, you know, in order to come back to wherever them in the region. and anesha has been supporting a sorry australian has been supporting indonesia and to work, you know, with a detachment 88 special forces to combat terrorism. but definitely in the future. the partnership or the cooperation between in nature and australia,

willing at mutual trust, relieve at the time being berkeley so much for joining us to do sharon some along the double correspondent in jakarta. thank you. ah, chinese leadership being is in saudi arabia for a visit that china's foreign ministry has called an epoch making milestone. earlier today. he was broken to the royal court by saw the crown prince. mom had been feldman, billions of dollars and these are expected to be signed during the visit. china is already the top consumer of saudi oil and that's the relationship that's expected to keep growing. she's also expected to meet other out of leaders during his visit . let's get more perspective on this from steve saying he's the director of the china institute of the school of oriental and african studies in london. professor, thank saudi arabia, has traditionally been a long term us alive. is president huge and being looking to change that

relationship well, the relationship that saudi arabia maintains with both china and the united states have been undergoing changes anyway. and she is certainly seeking to cement that changing relationship. saudi arabia now is the, has china as the most important trading partner, one of the united states? what does children being want from soviet over? well, she didn't want to strengthen that relationship in order to ensure that energy security to china is cure, as well as to which out to the other countries in the goals and the arabic. well, just to make sure that they support china's positioned globally, including at the united nations and other international organizations beyond oil, what are chinese interests in the arab world?

i mean, the reason i ask is because china's foreign ministry has called this visit court, the largest scale diplomatic directly between china and the out of world since the founding for the people's republic of china. so what are china's interests in the region? well, china is not going to become the peacemaker in the middle east. china is not seeking to be paid the united states in to play a role as the anchor for stability and peace in the region. but china, east seeking support from countries which are not part of the western democracies to support china's positioned globally. and in terms of the international organizations, including as, for example, e n, a human race cancel at the united nations. you know, the u. s. offered the region was always

a security exchange for oil. what is china offering the region? well, china will be all fringed in region and saudi arabia, friendship without imposing condition. now that tease china is, and maybe in the state, not going to insist that relationship with china will require saudi arabia or other countries in the regions tool match in terms of other standards on human rights or in terms of what countries they can conduct relationship with or what kind of political systems they have in place. china is very comfortable for those countries to maintain their own particular standards on human rights and system of government. would that count as a win for china? because in the past, due or china has been a been trying to explain, the human rights aren't universal,

so to speak. there are there is the chinese understanding of human rights. and then perhaps potentially there is a western lead understanding of human rights. would this count as a win for china? it will be a kind of a win because the chinese are also saying that they are the ways of understanding human rights. and therefore, we will have many countries in the go, which are quite receptive to the message that china is sending to them. and of course, for a country like saudi arabia, that is the advantage of having ditch kind of cart to be played when it deals with, if i get to ministration. now saw the robert, who has been facing a flood from the biden administration from not including oral output, particularly when president biden requested the kingdom to do exactly. that is, there's also a case of saudi arabia playing one super bar against the other to claim an advantage i should expect. so. and why would saudi arabia

not play to trying to come when you're dealing with an administration in washington? that's me. quiet saudi arabia to meet certain standard, particularly say in human rights, which the current saudi government is having some hesitation about we'll leave it there for the time being both. thank you so much for joining us today. steve, trying director of the china institute at so s in london. thank you sir. you're welcome. and that's it for to very because of course more on our website, we'd see you, but you have to morrow to, but a nice it's avalanche. are my welcome to my podcast. another matter that i invite celebrities influences and experts to talk about all playing loved effect from day to day. nothing less the south, all these things and more and then you know,

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