body and soul houses that dang, leaders can construct for more than just buildings. he is the son of jewish holocaust survivors. how lucky that i was able to bill to just resume berlin . his architecture is a celebration of democracy and an architect of emotions. daniel starts december 25th on d w, or bowl . ha, well, come to our d. w. and have you on pasa ambassador of the state of israel and germany for bell about. thank you, mister ambassador. your father ordered his pasco, i was born here in berlin, where we're sitting right now in the city. he and his family flat, nancy, germany,

and 1933. what does it feel like for you to be the ambassador of the state of israel and today's germany? so yes, this is a closing a circle. so i was thinking, you know, here is a belt for scholar. my grandfather, a crash and decorated officer that fed german was german and basically had to flee germany. and they, when i return to the grandchild of both oak bosco, as is hers, and best of the, the ambassador of the nation state of the jewish people have to 74 years. it's not just emotional, but it shows you know, that the jewish people have made, you know, an amazing need by establishing the state of as well. and then that i

can represent very, very balancing a independent israel. and that is on the cutting edge of technology in all different parts of the world. the german government just announced a national strategy for combat thing, anti semitism. it's the 1st of its kind and many people say why only now why hasn't this happened earlier? what do you expect from the german government to do it against anti semitism? first of all, i have to commend the german government doing that. there's always when you do something, people say why you do it before. but i think it shows really the determination of the german government and all parts of german society to fight anti semitism. and because fighting anti semitism in the sense shows something about how the german

society looks and accepts a people from different fates. i think there's a trend, not just in germany, but in europe, rising anti semitism, anti semitism incidence. and by dealing with it, talking about that and basically fighting it. we are creating a better society in a better world. german politicians have actually said they would fight against anti semitism since a long time. and still we have seen in the document for example, that there have been cases of anti semitism that the german government do enough. so the comment i think is a, is a good example of how anti semitism moves from the margins to the center and it's being accepted as part of

the debate. and this has to be for to very strongly because they, in the sense all the explanations and all the stories that they me very clear anti semitic pictures have to be debated. it isn't, it's not anti semitic. is something that i think should have been really a fault of much stronger and they and they think that they hear there's a lot of things that should be done and not just on right wing extremism, but also on the left wing anti semitism. and this is something that we should all work together. and i think the issue here is that the government plan on fighting anti semitism is wide. it goes to the whole of the

structure of german nay. the german, the states. and i think this is a beginning which shows that this is in high priority for the job. and joe and government, which i think is very commendable. you have been very present and these debates about anti semitism and germany about debates. for example, about the documentary not only an article that you published and german newspapers but also on twitter. sometimes one could even see you verbally fighting with some other israelis and germany. is this still diplomacy yet to to while to fight in the public even if it's a viable heights? was 1st of all we have to think what is innovative diplomacy? i think diplomacy has changed. and through the years and because of communication

because of the fact that in the past, you know, everyone waited for telegrams that came from and ambassador today. and i think that because of communication and because of the fact that we live in a different and a i think much more we active, we have to adapt. and those people who don't to them like in technology and in business and not really going to be effective. and i think that a innovative diplomacy means that we should also a sponsor of bilateral relations between countries. a do things on the cultural side more on the scientific side and more on the youth side. i would like to go back to something that you said before about anti semitism and germany combating anti semitism from the last your mention. but what about anti semitism from the right? just this week,

we have seen that some suspect the members of the groups probably affiliated to the so called iceberg movement have been arrested. are you concerned about right going extra? of course, i mean this is a, this is not just clear, but when we talk about fighting on anti semitism, this is of all kind of an odd shades in the sense. so of course, this is something that they in every society has to be 4. and vitally extremism, i don't have to repeat things, you know, but just think of the abnormality of the fact that the jews, not just in germany, in europe, everywhere, synagogues, in the year 2022 have to be protected. and garden schools, jewish schools. and it's this element that we look as normal

is really completely abnormal. and we have to change it and work together in order to really and that's a new cation who understanding the other a. because at the end of the day, this is the only answer to fight right wing and extremism left wing anti semitism. and you cation and you cation communication. if we look at your cation also one could see, you know, the history that we mentioned in the beginning of this interview of your father, having to flee you now being here, present best the best of the state of israel in germany and berlin. how would you describe the drum and israeli relationships which sometimes also seem like a little wonder looking at history. first of all, we have to give a lot of credit to a. to leaders. venza leon on the very same

day. just think 3 years after the establishment of the state of ism, with survivors and people who, you know, in israel and jesse and now the beginning of the state of israel was willing to talk to germany and to come. and then also leaders to show that if you really look into the future and work against opposition form and sign, you can really been a bridge which was very hard to boon. but i think when i look at it now, the german is where the relationship is so strong on different levels, on the same topic level on the culture 11 on the i would even call the strategic level between both countries. and especially something that i really

would like to push forward and that is the youth exchange. we just signed a human event that basically between israel and germany. and i hope that to that we will be able to remember fast, but also bid the better future. so if i look at it, i think that after the united states of america, germany is, is, is most important and strategic ally. and then, and it's due to a lot of work by many good people at our parts of society. which i think at the end of the days that came to an amazing relationship, not just between the leadership, but between the people you describe the strong relationships. some people even speak of a strong friendship between germany and israel. and that from friends from friend to friend, from one to another. one should be allowed to also mention criticism critique on

the state of israel on the political level. and germany has always made it very clear that that foreign policy and the middle east has been based on the principles of a 2 state solution. now israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu is about to form a government including leaders of the far right to my bank of year. and it's, and it's not rich who have made it very clear that they think there should not be a palestinian state. should the government stop talking about a 2 state solution hoping for a 2 state solution? so 1st thing i'd like to me, you know, we call into memory that time and as soon as the o and is valued, land space talks about day to stay solution. i don't think you say changed his view on this and i think that the 2 state solution

is a solution. but when we hear people talk about to say solution, we usually hear them say it to state solution that has to be jewish and them are classic on the panel, sin sign. we don't hear anything. and i think it's crucial to basically say that on the we, we are also looking for them a graphic palestinian state. because the issue here is what state do you want to establish? we cannot and would not establish a terrorist state, you know, as a neighbor to israel. a we tried to do something in the guys when we completely went out of gaza and created a, it created a terrorist, they come masses taken over and basically created the situation where

not only then to lead to peace that it led to an establishment of a terrorist state, so when people talk about the 2 state solution, they should also make a point what they expect from about as soon as they said them aquatic as a state that basically will allow to have elections from time to time. you know, it's, it's okay to do elections there be 4 or 5 years and not wait for nearly 25 years to do so. but would it still be possible to even form a palestinian state with all of the settlements that do exist already in the west bank. and that already also been talks about more outposts that have been so far illegal even by israeli law will be legalized under the new government. will it be possible to even think about

a palestinian state if there are so many israeli settlements in the west bank? first a bank to remind people that there's really people when there was a partner on the other side. they always reached out with always re south and face . so a factory, a went that came over to jerusalem smears vessel fears. we had peace with egypt. we have peace with john. israel made territorial confessions for this space. so the question is not the issue of the willingness on this really side, because we were always willing, we're talking about that. we don't have the time here to go to the different proposals that went there. so i think that the most important thing here is to 1st for factually understand that the people of israel,

of always wanted peace. but also to understand that israel has the right for security to defend itself and not to create a terroristic state. a just stay over the over the border and they, and i'd like to really focus on that because they think that they, you know, it's very nice to talk about, you know, the importance of security from the outside. but the real issue here is to protect and defend the only democratic state in the region and ask, you know, in us, you know, we don't see lift interesting looks and bull or sun moreno in our region. meaning that we have not just to conduct the dialogue,

but to understand that this dialogue is, is basically something that they should reach a democratic palestinians die on the other side. if not, it won't work. we will not, we not create a state as a neighbor. but speaking of the dialogue, because you represent the israelis sites that i will ask about the israeli side. obviously if a palestinian representative would sit here in front of me, i would have calls ask different questions. but you as the ambassador of the state of israel, do you see a dialogue possible with this new government with people that have been described not only by far enough but also by israelis themselves as not only far right, but even as extra month. so i would, i would suggest to everyone, to basically test and examine is,

is government in what we do. and then, and not, you know, what people say that day. basically that they're going to do what people said in the past. as you know, not just in israel, there's a difference between what you said before doing the election and what happened afterwards. i can just say that thing, israel is led by a very experience and will be led by venus in the l. a who is a lot of experience. it's a 3rd time, a surprise minister. and i think he can navigate is to a to i think a, a very prosperous future. also enhancing the relationship that we have with the emma rates, the abram

a cause. and i want to, you know, again, remind people that in the negative a couple of months ago, this early foreign minister was the host to the gypsy foreign minister, the my welcome phone, mr. mahoney and m u i t. if we were the thought, imagine this years ago, people would say there loosened a thing. so it's possible we have to work hard on it. and we have to really listen to both sides. and i think if we do that, we will have a better future. speaking of the cards and the magic relations that israel started with morocco for example. now during the world cup and cutout one could see that israeli journalist, for example, were cut off from interviewing other people,

soccer fans during the world cup. they wouldn't, some israelis what even and helped it. how do you feel about that? is that not a sign that these abs codes are called diplomatic relationships that have not come to the people yet? first of all, i think that the people to people element is crucial between countries and societies is not just between governments and especially in the arab oil. what we see is where the abram cause is really an element of people. people. they come over to israel. israelis come over there and i think perceptions and different stigmas that people have in the past are falling down a. this is the only way forward. we need more with that. with egypt, we need more with jordan. but what we have is we have to strengthen because you're

absolutely right. this is the beginning, and we have to do more in that direction a because this is, this is really the only way forward. and i want to tell why i think it's such of, you know, mutual interests. i think the leaders in the abram because a from home been side to the sakes a to the king of the issue here is that they salt that for their own population. it's really beneficiary to have relations with israel because it can help them on the economy on the technology side and by the signing to do that. they also feel that they can influence israel, those policies much more than my sitting on the balcony and shouting, it's

a lousy show. i think this combination, if we strengthen and really deepen this relationship, it was famed allies the region and will allow us to move forward to really a more peaceful environment. speaking of a peaceful environment, if we look at the rally palestinian conflict right now, that basically no relationships whatsoever. we haven't seen any peace talks. and yes, on the contrary, we have seen especially this year and in the past, months arrived and violence on both sides. every day, the palestinians being killed combatants and also civilians by the israel, different forces. and also we have seen terror attacks and cities like kind of how the truth lately. how do you feel about that? do you, do you fear even 3rd into fata?

so 1st of all, i think that they use cns you see now is really dealing with terror nearly every day and dealing with every day. and this, i can, i can tell you, and the viewers will continue, will really not allow tara to be in the streets is room. and those who conduct their, i'm going to really a, me, a very clearly be a, be punished in that. the other element is that when we talk about the region and we talk about the region where, you know, in the past, a lot of people only talked about the israeli palestinian conflict of the major contracts in the middle east. now it's not, it's not that it's not important to solve it, but syria, libya,

iraq, lebanon, should they continually em and something major coffin, some of this? so what's the reason that there's so many conflicts that basically don't concern is directly the issue here is again, to really understand that the state of is the only democratic se country in this region is on the front line. fighting phenomena is that western democracies have yet to understand. is it easy? know, we are navigating since this establishment of the state of ism to find the answers to the federal citizens on the one hand. and i'm going overboard on the other. a good example for you with being we began checking people at the airport 35 years ago. what did people say? you know, this is a private sphere. this is human rights. after $911.00,

it's clear and why is it clear for democracy around the world? because that's exactly how you have to defend your citizens, but they'll go over both the new action. we feel that we are basically on the front line on those phenomena. i think you are beginning to understand the bit and it's a different area of what's happening now with putting in ukraine and why you need to defend yourselves and say, the importance of the terrance and defense to defend the values that we both cherish. speaking of the want and ukraine, israel has been very careful not to get, let's say, involved too much into those conflict. israel has not send any military aid other than most european nations, for example. why is that?

so since the phone is what is doing in different areas, you many carrion areas, you know, different things on, you know, in devising, especially when we see, you know, iranian drones that we have to deal with, by the way, in our region nearly every day. a reach russia, this is for all those who thought that the run was just in our region, southern me, this smack in the middle of europe, a israel, in the sense, has a russia in syria. we have to 2 very, to navigate very sensibly. and then we are doing a lot again on the humanitarian side and i think we especially swirlies with feel with the ukrainians because we know they're fighting

for their homes. and then we we are with the thank you very much, my number for that. thank you, and i'd like to and by wishing everyone happy, this is the festival of lights. and we hope that with the lights we will be able to get the darkness away from different parts of the world and say, hey, i wish everyone a happy a 100. thank you very much. thank you. ah, ah, with

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