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[000:00:00;00] ah, at the age of 18. m. god, for sna worked as a secretary near the village of still tolls in what today is northern poland, the age of 97. it was that same job that led to her being found complicit to the murder of more than $10000.00 people. the former typist received a 2 year suspended sentence for aiding and abetting the atrocities at stove concentration camp considered a training ground for the nazis entire killing machinery. victims group slammed the punishment as to lenient, but the guilty verdict could still go down in history. this may well have been germany's last trial for world war 2 crimes. i'm nickel for him, berlin, and this is the day.
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ah 1000000 come on really still true. you can't tell me fairy tales. the question, the biggest fish my load that got general is true. this got away and these people are mine. but listen, the passage of time, the low weight issues with your lives in us. if she did anything wrong or committed a crime, your infrastructure all. why did they wait until today about the detroit? no, they do not pay for a reason why people should not be brought to justice. and this is what we owe to also coming up in its final session, the committee investigating the capital rides, urges the department of justice to prosecute former president donald j. trump. ours is not
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a system of justice where foot soldiers go to jail in the masterminds in ringleaders . get a free pass ah welcome to the show. is it possible to work at a mass torture and execution side without noticing what's going on? the german judge presiding over the trial of a former concentration camp secretary says it simply beyond all imagination, nearly 80 years after the crimes were committed. the now 97 year old woman has been found guilty of aiding and abetting the murder of more than 10000 people in the stove camp. she was given a 2 year suspended sentence because the judges were convinced she knew about and through her work deliberately supported a killings. this is likely to be one of the last trials related to the nazis world war 2 crimes 97 year old in got fortunate was sentence as
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a juvenile because she was just 18 when she been working as a secretary at the shoot of concentration come in 1943. she was given a 2 year suspended sentence. does she dick? oh, absolutely. this is in line with what the plaintiffs wanted me to victims i represent wanted her to be pronounced guilty will help me. they were not interested in any sort of punishment. only under hoggard devotee along, sir, it was what prove a complicity in this monstrous number of murders i hated to do too much to lose untie for molden. the victims were ghast short or died from hunger, cold, or illness. they perished and forced marches. oh, after they were transported to our schmidt's nor isaac said here, then as leslie, it's easy to say she was just the secretary of linda, but her role in the heart of the camps bureaucracy was significant. it's hard on
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a benoit no. the verdict passed after a 40 day trial may sound lenient to some, but many of the victims feel that justice has finally been served from our we can now talk till our political correspondence. i am in young simon. tell us more about in that for now. and her role at the sort of concentration yes, she worked in the office of the camp, common dent, or from june 943 to april 1945. and the prosecution successfully argued that she was an accessory in the murder of more than $10000.00 people because she couldn't have done that job without being aware of mass executions that were happening, but also the systematic starvation, maltreatment of prisoners. and that by her work she had effectively ah, helped to ensure the, the operation of the stood off death camp. now,
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as we've said, she's now a 97 year old woman. she appeared in court sitting in a wheelchair. although her last year at the beginning of the trial, she did actually go fugitive for a short time, seeming to try to evade justice before she was picked up by the police. for a long time during the trial, she remained silent, didn't say anything, but she did eventually manage to say this, i'll just quote, i'm sorry about everything that happened. i regret that i was interested half at the time. she got a 2 years suspended sentence after those crimes that she was conflicted and, and it has been criticized as to lenient. why. why only 2 years and why a suspended sentence? yeah. well, the, as we've said, her m godfather was sir, tried before
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a juvenile court because she was only 18 or 19 years old at the time of these crimes. and that has an effect on the sentencing. in fact, a 2 year suspended jail term was what the prosecution had asked for. and although that has been criticized by some of the plaintiffs in this case, and indeed some who said, well, it might have been possible to insist on a longer jail term. i don't think anyone ever expected that she would actually be sent to jail. many experts have just said, well, you know, that wouldn't really serve any purpose. she is $97.00 now. i other taken so long for her to stand trial. yes, this woman was a civilian and for a long time, such people are were not considered a particularly culpable, at least in the criminal sense by comparison, of course,
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with her, with her uniform wearing a nazi so after the end of the 2nd world war, of course, the were the nuremberg trials at which some high ranking nazis were convicted and later on in the sixty's. there were some more trials. but the general story, sadly, is that, ah, i think of germany to a degree lost interest in prosecuting these people are particularly people who are lower down or in the machinery that all changed in 2011 with the trial of the former ss camp god john damien, uke her who as it were, despite only being a god, was convicted. and since then there have been a number of trials and convictions of her guards. and as it were, as you like, small cogs in the machine. and, but of course, very few of these are people have actually gone to jail either because it were,
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in several cases the defendants died during their trials. how has this trial been proceed here in germany? yeah, i think there are those who will look at this and feel that you know, what if purpose does it serve to send a 97 year old woman would have passed sentence on her and a p, as people may say that she didn't have a very important role and you know, their feel that it's slightly irrelevant, but i think the mainstream view is certainly that this does send an important message. it does have a value. it gives the victims and relatives survivors such as there are still a few of them. some sense, at least that justice has been done and it sends to future generations. i think the message that human rights crimes and abuses will not be got forgotten and perpetrators will be brought to justice where that's at all possible. so if this
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were the end of the route of justice for the nothing victims on our house, germany feared and holding the people behind the atrocity, the cannibal. yes, it would take a while to sum all that up, but historians do say there were perhaps about 200000 not see perpetrators who committed crimes during the 2nd world war. there have been less than 7000 convictions of such people since the war. so it's a pretty small proportion, i think you can say, and the sad thing is that it would be a much higher number. if trials like this one had begun much earlier and had been prosecuted more systematically with political part correspond. anthem young, thank you so much. ah! on the de russia invading ukraine, many observers were surprised to see
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a defiant president volota rear zalinski stay put in his country under attack. in the 300 days since his attitude hasn't changed to days, the lensky travel to the bitterly embattled city of buck mote in the east of the country. the ukrainian presidential press service released these images of soleski meeting troops at an industrial site. kolinski, thank the soldiers for their sacrifice and holding the line and handed out medals of mount has seen the fiercest fighting on the eastern front. russia has launched waves of attacks in an attempt to capture the town which analysts say has little strategic value here. zalinski speaking to his troops earlier today with onion live buildings, not just on bus with hearings on bus 3. you are defending all of you crazy that the bus because after dont boss, they'll do the same and know the ukraine unit sounds. they want to erase everything that's related to ukraine, go it. when i'm a 100 percent, certain i go,
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we have them. that's why you're not only bearing the burden of depending on what on vasa, go to doc of all of your transfers out. okay. it's brian catherine lawler. she's a senior analyst at the institute for the study of war. and welcome back to the day that 1st of all, president lindsey's visit to buckner. today, do we have any indication of the size of that battle and why russian troops are so intent on taking thanks. so i think it's, it's very difficult in the open source to judge the number of forces. but what we do know is that both russia and ukraine have committed a sizable chunk of their offensive forces to the barcode area. and ukraine is obviously defending its territory. but from the russian perspective, there's a few reasons why they're so focused on bach moot. both are political, i would say the 1st is that russian president putin is unwilling to have russian forces not on the offensive,
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at least somewhere along the front line. and he's likely ordered his commanders to capture all of finance and the hans go blasts. so maintaining the offensive inbox route is necessary for political and propaganda purposes. from hooton's perspective . the other reason is that most of the forces around bach loot are members of the wagner. private military company and the leader of that company of guinea for goshen has his own political aspirations and his using buck route. as an example of wagner forces being the most effective are the only ones actually on the offensive compared to other russian horses. let's look at the bigger picture to day is the $300.00 day since the invasion. where does the war stand? the war is slowing slightly. we're, you know, we're 10 months in and we're in the midst of brutal winter weather and mud. i rushed. missus have failed. to achieve any of their territorial objectives,
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they don't fully control any ukrainian or blasts that they didn't already hold before february 24th. and things are slowing down because of the mud and the cold, but that deadlock may not last. if we see the ground free solid in the next several months, the head of the ukrainian armed forces says there is a threat of a large scale russian counter offensive as early as january. how likely do you think that is? mean rational capabilities are so degraded at this point that even if they did attempt a another large scale offensive, it is almost certain to be unsuccessful. but it still does pose a threat to ukrainian forces, in part because such an offensive requires defending against and ukrainian forces could find themselves pinned in parts of the front lines that they don't wish to be fighting in, in order to prevent that offensive. and so it could limit ukrainian abilities to
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conduct their own counter offensive this winter. and there is an appearance of stalemate on the front lines. you're already talked about it, but that doesn't seem to be stopping russia attacking ukraine with drones and missiles, especially the infrastructure. what is it going to take to end those attacks? honestly, i think it, it will take ukraine, taking back the rest of its territory. and russian leadership seems to be viewing this war increasingly as a war of will and resolve. and ukraine will continue. it's resolved to, to continue the fight of course, but, and i think those attacks are intended to weaken ukrainian public support for continuing the war, and that is failing. so they are damaging civilian infrastructure and harming civilians across ukraine. but they are not damaging ukraine's will to continue the fight. you said that the frozen ground could lead to some movement again, coming into this conflict. you think we'll see ukraine again seizing the initiative
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and surprise. maybe analysts like it did around car keith and her son earlier this year. i hope so. i don't think we're going to see offensive on the same scale as we did around her keith or her so this year. but ukraine has been very clear that it is dedicated to continuing to recapture all of its territory. and i think what that's gonna look like in the next year is a series of successive counter offensives. they may not take as much territory in one go as they did in her keyboard, her son. but that doesn't mean that they won't continue to chip away at the russian front lines and to work their way back to controlling all of you, grinned sovereign territory. how frustrating is all of this for the kremlin? i would hope very frustrating. the kremlin is, of, i mean, intended this to be a 3 day war, right? they thought they were going to roll straight into keith, and that would be the end of it that ukraine would capitulate,
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that the west wouldn't push back in any way. and obviously, all of those assumptions have been invalidated. so now what was supposed to be a 3 day war may end up being a 3 year war or a 10 year war, depending on how ukraine continues its fight. and depending on western military aid to ukrainian forces, it was supposed to be from the russian intentions, a 3 day war. now it is a 300 day war. is there any sign that we won't be? you know, pretty much where we are right now. a 300 days from now on day 600 of the war. if we, you know, the, have to see that day a lot depends on western military ada. i think at this point, russia has lost, it's often says military capabilities. it's working to rebuild those. and it could rebuild some offensive capabilities in the medium term through conscription and
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through continued mobilization. but ukraine has also learned and is building its own capabilities. so i think currently the trajectory we're on is one toward ukrainian victory. but it will take time and it will take patience and it will take continued support. and i don't think that i don't think we'll be in the same place 300 days from now. i think we will see additional ukrainian progress. it's just a question of how quickly they can make that progress. catherine lawler, senior analyst at the institute for the study of war. thank you so much. always great talking to you. thank you. ah. it was a dramatic show down to an 18 month congressional inquiry and the u. s. the january 6th committee has recommended that the department of justice prosecute former president donald trump on for criminal charges. over his role in the insurrection. trump has dismissed the referral as fake charges saying the democrat lead committee is trying to block his possible return to campaigning. the committee's
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comprehensive report on the january 6 storming of the capital is said to be released on wednesday. oh, these images shocked the world 2 years ago, thousands of supporters of former president donald trump storm the u. s. capital aiming to overturn the 2020 election and stop the peaceful transfer of power. 5 people died in the tank, including capital police officers whose sole responsibility was to protect members of congress, the vice president and their state. 6 months later, congress established the so called general 6 committee to investigate the events that led to the attack committee got straight to work. conducting over a 1000 interviews and holding 10 public hearings, they released previously unseen footage documenting the harrowing hours inside the building and the highlighted,
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the former president's leg of action to stop the riot even accusing him of helping to carry out. oh, i gotta walk down to the capital. i hope we help make clear that there's a broader kind of accountability, accountability to all of you, the american people, the future of our democracy, rest in your hands. it's up to the people of this country to decide who deserves the public trust. january 6th, 2021 was the 1st time one american president refused his constitutional duty to transfer power peacefully to the next. in our work over the last 18 months, the select committee has recognized our obligation to do everything we can to ensure this never happens again. the committee recommended criminal charges for former president donald trump, but it will be up to the u. s. justice department to decide whether he will
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actually end up in court. i told him the report is highly symbolic and it will have long lasting you've failed from politically ambitions. all i want to do is this by him and he, republicans supporting a candidate facing criminal charges. may be a bridge to for a lot to talk about him for that. i'd like to bring in a former white house insider richard painter was the chief ethics lawyer for president george w bush. he's our professor of corporate law at the university of minnesota. welcome back to the day mr. painter. will the department of justice follow the committee's recommendation? that's a decision been made by the bomb with justice, so they do not have to follow the recommendation of the committee on the referrals . but the evidence is quite clear that donald trump ha, a committed the crime of sedition, an attempt to overthrow the united states government. the democratically elected
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government of that was going to be installed and was installed on january 20, under president of jo barden. shortly after that losing the election, donald trump sought to pressure the justice department to declare the election and valid fraudulent with no basis whatsoever for that claim. he plotted in the white house even sending in the military to redo the election in certain t states. and he incited the riot, the crowd, and sent them up to the capitol hill, knowing that many in the corral were armed and dangerous. this was an attempt to gu, an attempt itself to buy a leader who wanted to stay in power. and, but from what, from the findings we have right now, some of which you have just mentioned is that enough to build a case that went withstand appeal them? well, it certainly appears to be a, a, a criminal trial. of course,
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it would require a finding of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of for donald trump to actually be convicted. but the evidence is overwhelming, sufficient to justify an indictment by the department of justice. we don't know what other evidence the department of justice has. they have been conducting their own investigation over the last 2 years. but it's so been over 2 years is donald trump started his effort to reverse the results of the 2020 election to evade the democratic rule in the united states. and the committee talked to over a 1000, people reviewed millions of documents and they never spoke to the man. they're building this case around why i don't believe that donald trump would have agreed to speak with him. he has the right under the 5th amendment of the united states constitution not to incriminate himself and
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a given the criminal charges they could very well be pending in connection with the insurrection of december through january. this was a really a 2 month attempt to overthrow the results of the election that he was at the center. i would believe that his lawyers would tell him not to speak with the committee or anyone to do to remain silent as he has the right to do under the united states constitution. we saw a lot of bomb shells come out of the worth as the committee now that the final report will be published tomorrow. do you expect any further surprises? i don't believe in the report. uh, there'll be a lot more information that we don't know already. there may be some, but remember the department of justice then conducting its own investigation and does not have hearing a leading up to a criminal indictment. the department of justice drops in diamond goes to grand
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jury and gets indictment at the appropriate time. and we may learn a lot more from the department of justice of before the case goes to trial. if there is a criminal indictment at now that the january, thanks, committee has concluded its job. what would you say it's impact? what will the united states needs to confront? are the fact that our democracy is as fragile as a representative democracy in many other countries that have experienced an attempted a self who are successful, self coo, oh, we're a democratically elected leader. ah, chooses to stay in power by a subverting democracy. persuading the justice ministry the military to back him, threatening to dissolve parliament. we saw that in peru recently. they resolved that by putting the president in jail within 24 hours in i estates. this is taken
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24 year to 2 years to deal with it. 2 years since the attempted insurrection, and this is very, very dangerous. if this type of conduct by an elected leader is tolerated our democracy will not last. if we do not hold donald trump accountable, and we don't send the message to future presidents. that such attempt itself coups will not be tolerated in the united states. french painter and professor of corporate law at the university of minnesota. thank you so much for that analysis. thank you very much. and that is our time. but make sure to stay in touch all our team on twitter, see the we news and myself at nickel underscore further, you can always get all the latest news and headlines on our website. that is of course d, w dot com for now though from all of us on the day. thank you so much for spending part of your day
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