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you dot com ah, ever since his country was attacked by russia, volota mere zalinski hadn't left ukraine for a minutes to day. he embarked on his 1st trip brought to me joe biden. the man who has in the past 10 months been his staunchest and most powerful supporter for lensky won't return to keep empty hand it. the u. s. is significantly boosting at security assistance to ukraine, including the transfer of the long awaited patriot missile system. on the other side of the world, russian president vladimir putin addressed military leaders to day, promising to achieve all his goals in ukraine in 2023. i'm nicole ferla, him, berlin, and this is the day ah, what we'll do with we will do everything possible and impossible,
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expected and unexpected, so that our heroes have everything they need to win with. we will continue to equip our strategic forces with the latest types of weapons. i repeat all the plans outline will certainly be fulfilled in light of russia's cruel and continued heavy bombardment of innocent civilians and civilian infrastructure in ukraine. we'll continue to have those discussions and look at capabilities that they'll need to defend their territory, any weapon systems supply to ukraine, including the patriots, along with the personnel, servicing them and will remain legitimate priority targets. also coming up a growing humanitarian crisis in the texas border and tat border town of el paso, as the biden administration, struggles to find a way out of a trump era immigration policy. we don't ask, why did you come?
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we simply say, turn around and go back somewhere and we're certainly done. and so some of the more unstable and dangerous places in the world. welcome to the show. since his country was invaded by russia, ukrainian president of a lot of re zalinski has met them all. the united nations, e u leaders, even world music royalty at the grammys. all of them virtually. now, for the 1st time since february, the lensky has traveled abroad to meet you as president joe biden, and address lawmakers on his surprise trip to washington zalinski aims to shore up support for his country's efforts to defend itself from russia's continued aggression. b, u. s. government has pledged another $1800000000.00 in military 8. ahead of their talks in the white house, the lensky offered biden, a gift from a ukrainian soldier, grateful for the american military hardware that helped change the course of the
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war. i want to give you something one guy who's really, really hero, real captain. and he asked me to best he's award. he asked me to best get to work with him. he was a sick gift in full timers. battery. yes, he's very brave and he said give it to very brave president. i want to give you that is a cross cross military marriage that is wrong with that is from here. i live here all to live. yes, i did upgrade mission. i got rid of my isn't you korea language, but here that translation is phone name or yes. yes. vocal vocal
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will under with much appreciate it. thank you. thank you said that all made many brothers for the system saved. so thank you. the u. s. is now sad to deliver another missile system as part of the latest package. the patriot considered a gold standard of air defense. ukraine had been asking for patriots since the war began. the white house, as a patriot battery, is supplying to ukraine, will be a critical asset to defend the ukrainian people against russia's barbaric attacks. a training personnel on how to use the missiles properly could take weeks. oscar has warned that's applying. ukraine with patriot missiles will have repercussions. katherine lawler is with the institute for the study of war and joins me now from washington, dc with lawler. welcome back to the day, how big of
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a game changer code these patriot systems really be for ukraine? the patriot won't change the outcome of the war, but they will enable ukraine to better protect the kimberly it's civilian populations and civilian infrastructure. and especially it's electrical infrastructure from repeated russian missile attacks. so the more air defenses ukraine has, the more widely it can deploy them. if say ukraine set up its patriot battery in keys, ukrainian forces might then be able to move forward. other air defense systems like there as 3 hundreds to better defend other towns or frontline positions. so it won't change the overall picture of the war, but it will have a dramatic effect for civilian safety and protecting infrastructure in discrete areas. under what circumstances are these air defense systems most effective? because recently russia has increasingly been using drones to attack ukrainian infrastructure at ken this new a tool help fend off these kinds of attacks or is it operating on
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a way bigger scale? i would say a bigger scale. so patriots are most effective against higher flying, longer range missiles and against small to medium scale attacks. so a patriot system might be able to target and bring down maybe 5 missiles at a time. there, there is a limit and the more missiles or drones that are used in a particular attack, the more we'll get through that's true for any air defense system. that being said, the patriot is not uniquely well equipped to bring down low flying munitions, including the iranian made drones that russia has been using at scale. so the patriot could shoot down some of those, but it becomes a question of cost. and every patriot interceptor costs upward of $4000000.00 us dollars and ukraine will not have an unlimited supply of interceptors. there's already a global shortage. so ukraine will need to make difficult prioritization decisions . that being said, ukrainian air defenses hurting prinz numbers,
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are already bringing down somewhere around 80 percent of those drones and 70 percent of the missiles that are fired into ukraine. so, the patriots can only increase those numbers. the handling of the patriot is quite complex, though, isn't that, how long would it take for the mas also seems to be deployed a and for troops to be trained to use them. so it takes about 90 service members to operate one patriot battery. and for u. s. forces they train for at least 5 months before they deploy those systems. ukrainian forces have proven that they are able to learn very quickly and very well on a variety of foreign equipment so far. so i assume that ukraine will be operating on an accelerated training schedule, and the training could begin very quickly, probably in germany or poland. but even accelerated, it will still take weeks or months for one of these systems to become operational and ukraine. moscow has warned and that the patriot missiles being sent to
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your crane will lead to repercussions. what could those look like? i'm, they could look like targeting the patriot system with missiles. it could look like additional garages in the front line. i mean, moscow has stated many red lines throughout this conflict, many of which have been crossed without substantial repercussions beyond the operations that the russian military would be undertaking anyway. so it's hard to draw a direct parallel, but the patriot will, will certainly do more good then, then harm. and there is plenty of military aid on the table besides the patriots systems, to a $1800000000.00. and how is all of this going to affect the war and ukraine's capabilities these of be the continued attacks coming out of russia? rates of the patriots, flashy, but the larger u. s. military aid package that's expected to pass this week is much more important to the overall war effort. so u. s. and allied provisions of equipment training artillery. we've talked
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a lot about job lens. all of those have allowed ukraine to defend itself and to progressively drive out russian forces. this package might also include technology that can empower ukraine's air force with what are called smart bombs and ukraine can absolutely find creative uses for those guided weapons, including more accurate targeting of russian command positions, ammunition depots, and more effective targeting overall. so that 8 is incredibly important to the war effort flooded we put in today's spoke to military leaders and told them that he was certain russia would achieve. it stated goals in ukraine in 2023. at this point . what are the goals? the stated russian goals are frankly, some nonsense about d notification and gaining full control over the illegally annexed and temporarily occupied ukrainian territories. but russia's actual strategic objective remains the complete control of ukraine and the eradication of ukraine,
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statehood and ukraine's identity. it's not about capturing specific territory territories or just of means through which russia can wage additional attacks on ukraine statehood. and we've seen this playing out in those temporarily occupied territories where russian forces are forcibly deporting ukrainian children, their banning the use of the ukrainian language and their teaching ukrainian children in schools that ukraine as an entity doesn't exist or isn't legitimate. so i couldn't seeks to destroy ukrainian statehood. i mean, he won't the chief that objective in 2023. and with this continued global military aid, he will never achieve it. catherine lawler, with the institute for the study of war. thank you so much for coming on again for all these interesting insights. thank you. oh, he has president, jo vines administration is asking the supreme court to end an important restriction on immigration, but only after christmas. title 42 was set to expire. today. it's
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a pandemic public health measure introduced by former president donald trump that allowed the government to turn away most people who requested asylum at the border to prevent the spread of cobit 19, the mine administration said it cannot keep this pandemic era policy in place. long term, but conservative lead state states argued that lifting it opens the flood gates as the fate of this law hangs in the balance. a surge of migrants are already crossing into the u. s. every day in the border city of el paso, texas, the mayor has declared a state of emergency it always to me, so must conduct more. ah, the sacred heart church in battle. it's one of the oldest perishes in town. now it's become a refuge. migrate have been gathering here every day to receive food and clothes, and shelter in doors at night. andrea for venice when i made the dangerous journey to the us with her 2 children, mother and sister. she is clear,
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she cannot return home and face violence and hunger. once again, you're by them, but i went hungry and i don't want my children to go hungry again. i don't want to tell them that there's nothing to eat. as i tell them there's nothing to eat. so you've vomited on me. i don't want to go to find his way to right now. with this situation, i don't want to know more than a 1000 migrants are arriving in el paso every day from countries like nicaragua and venezuela. shelters are already overflowing and resources running thin official se, if the pandemic era policy title 42 was lifted, the number of migrants could triple. the pastor of sacred heart church, father, raphael garcia, believes the u. s. can accommodate millions of migrants, but it cannot be up to border cities alone. his church and local n g o schools are operating beyond capacity. the problem is becoming a big burden. in many ways, it's very inhumane how people are being treated here. this bottleneck or this far
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all europe, that's what i like to go because this is a point of entry. so unless you can move people quickly, you end up with a disaster here. a crisis here for in my cruise of the n g o border network for human rights, the crisis is a symptom of a broken system. her organization lobbies elected officials to reform immigration policy on a whole. it's been almost as lizzie. we hope that people are given jew processor with dignity with respect, take it with that. they can present their cases and it will be up to a judge to determine whether they stay or whether they don't stay in africa. amid that political battle migrants here are in limbo at night, the temperatures in, at by so dropped below 5 degrees celsius. this very both lived out of, you know, my there, that order been out of the church hosts dozens of families in this former gym. they receive hot food access to showers and bathrooms,
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but there are far more people than available space. the rest stock up on a hot meal to good against the cold and the uncertainty of getting down, but they don't want to let more people through me or give them asylum along the united states is denying asylum right now. meant that even though it's a country that fights for asylum writes, you looked at the random for now, these migrants bundle up for another long night on the street. our correspondence, so i was kind of found that report and joins is now from el paso, through me, people's sleeping rough volunteers and officials overwhelmed how big is the frustration and desperation at the border. well, nicole, we can certainly say that the levels of frustration are high among some of the migrants who we've spoken to because they don't know really what's going to happen to them in the coming hours and days. but they also told us they're happy and relieved that they've made it to this side of the border. the desperation is far
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more present on the other side of the border in mexico, where people are still trying to cross into the u. s. no, for those who have arrived here, i'm gonna get the waste. you can see just so what's behind us through some of these images you saw in our report already. but this is the area where migrants have been gathering and about every half an hour to an hour. we see cars and trucks pull up and they open their doors and donate blankets. they donate toys for the children, all sorts of supplies for the people here. and these are local organizations and also just locals who came here to help. and that structure that you also saw in a report that is where people are sleeping at night, at least as many that can fit there at night because the church is having trouble, particularly in these cold temperatures, making sure as many people get shelter as possible, but to come back to your question, to call about the levels of frustration we did her here, a lot of determination among rain grants here who told us they are happy to be here . they will make sure that they stay and they want to get to the final destination . 2 cities across the u. s. where they have family and friends. the government has
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asked the supreme court to allow for title 40 to, to be dropped, but says it expects an increase in unlawful border crossings. as a result is anything being done to prepare for that scenario with, you know, the infrastructure being overwhelmed already as it is and being able with an increase in flux still to assist the migrants in an appropriate and dignified manner. well tell you what officials are saying the bite administration, the white house has said that they are preparing for the possibility that title 42 will be lifted. they're expecting that it will be lifted at some point, even though we don't know exactly when they are doing so, and sending millions in personnel and technology to this border area to help reinforce this reach. and the governor of texas greg abbott, his response was to send national guard members to the border area yesterday where they erected a barbed wire fence to try to stop people from trying to enter. that didn't seem to be very effective because people are still entering into the united states. but the
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reality nicole is that people here are still struggling to find some sort of answer . the question that you asked is a valid one because there isn't a strategy going forward for how to deal with the numbers of migrants who could arrive if title 42 was lifted, just to give you an idea more than a 1000 migrants arriving. hearing on pa, so daily, they expect that that could be $4.00 to $6000.00 out. when that had demo epidemic era policy is lifted. so organizations who are doing everything they can to prepare, but they don't have enough resources. this is a trump era policy, but most migrants have been expelled under president biden. actually when he came to office, he promised to quote, restore humanity and american values to our immigration system. has he been making good on that? well you just speak to immigration advocates that we've, we've been speaking to here at the border. they say no they clearly the bi demonstration clearly has failed to do so they point to the fact that as you said, title 42 has been in place. all of this time that the biden administration has not
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done enough to address the problems at the border and to make sure that there is a legal and humane and safe way for people to arrive here and to receive care and shelter, but the bite ministration itself has said that it plans to do more, it wants to do more, but that it is stymied by the fact that there has been no real immigration reform by congress. so basically passing the buck a back to congress, i should say, at this point nicole, it is important to note that over decade, neither republican store, democrat and come up with a reliable and sustainable way to deal with immigration and asylum at the corridor . when can we expect the supreme court's decision on the title for the tomb? we're not exactly searching. we know that the biden administration has asked the supreme court to grant them a state until the 27th of december. and we know that the supreme court right now is also reviewing some of the information that the biden administration how to submit back to them. but at the moment, we are still in the waiting game, this,
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this moment of limbo. and amid, as we've said this political battle, the migrants themselves are waiting to see what will happen with them and their opportunities to receive a solemn in this country correspondence. so me, so must canada and el paso, thank you so much for the u. k. now, which has been hand by a series of strikes in the run up to christmas, public sector employees across the country are demanding pay rises to offset the soaring cost of living with inflation. currently running at nearly 11 percent to day thousands of ambulance workers walked off the job, increasing strain on the state run health care system. nurses have also been striking for better pay and conditions. the government is rising, the public to avoid contacts or it's and getting drunk, to reduce the risk of needing emergency medical care. the ambulance workers union a says they were left with no other choice. it was absolutely a difficult decision to make at none of all men was wants to take action to day and
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take leave. i used to work for the army, jeff, who paramedics, they really care about their job. they care about the public. they care about that . patients they do not want to be here in the absolute unavoidable a paramedics and h as work is handled k that knows they con, at paid a mortgage, they can pay their child care, they can't pay rent. i mean, it's absolutely unacceptable. let's dig a little deeper and bran, rachel jose. she's a senior help reporter for insider and joins me now from less or sure. thanks for being on the day. as we just heard, healthcare workers say they don't want to strike, but they have no choice. how angry and determined are they to get the pay arises. they say they deserve well from what we've seen yet so far. they are very angry and very determined, but also sad about the fact that they feel they have to do it. and that's the last resort. but it's not just about the money. it's as much about highlighting how understaffed and a stretch they all. and it just of, oh, really struggling,
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even when they're not striking, to keep up with the demand. people are quitting due to the low salaries, the stressful working conditions. and so they're worried that any chess will not be able to attract and retain, stop if these problems are not solved if the situation is not improved and, and they say they will keep striking until the government meets to negotiate and offer them something substantial. but further, industrial action is expected over the coming weeks and months and the u. k. government doesn't look like it's about to make them a decent offer to day. and it was said that the workers striking the ambulance drivers and workers that they were putting people's lives at risk. but there is an argument to be made that the circumstances there protesting against our what friends people's lives at risk, isn't it? it's exactly that the government says, these strikes all the fault of the end, a chest off. meanwhile, the striking staff say it is the government who is responsible and who is to blame
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. and like you said today, the u. k. public was told not to take part in contact boards, not to drive anywhere and necessarily just in case they might have an accident or not to drink or to drink responsibly and see it as christmas party season. and, and you know, there was guidance to only cool 999 if it was life threatening. but whether people were going to get that care, even if it was life threatening, really depended on where you were in the u. k. because different ambulance trusts had had different provisions to how they were going to make things work today. and what category and emergency was in would then affect whether you would actually get seen today. and i think there were 200 ambulances on the streets of london today. for example, when there would usually be $450.00. and i think that is worrying, and that is a concern to people. and even when it's a normal strike day, people are having to wait incredibly long time, sometimes over
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a day for an ambulance to come and see them. and if these strikes do go on, regardless of who you think is to blame, it could really put a lot of lives in danger. yeah. these are, of course not. the only strikes hitting the u. k. at the moment, right. the strikes will have trains, buses, male, and that's only naming a few. how big is the pressure on richie soon august government right now. i think he's facing a lot of pressure. there's a lot of disgruntlement, obviously everyone in the country and not just in the u. k, but every one is struggling due to inflation due to the cost of living rises. and then this extra strain, when people can get the train they need, people can't send the post they need. it's all, it's all really amounting to a lot of disgruntlement and things aren't looking great. we are expecting strikes across the board to continue over the next few months and it doesn't look like in health care, for example, there will be any was resolution, any time seen. and there seems to be increasing animosity between by side. so
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things aren't looking great. what are the government's arguments to not sit down with nurses and ambulance drivers and other people in the public sector that say, hey, we're in a cost of living crisis. we're the ones that keep this country running. we want to get a paid that will allow for us to live a decent life. while the government is refusing to negotiate, it says it cannot afford the demand set out why the n a test off. the nurses, for example, are demanding a 19 percent pay rise, and the government says it cannot afford that is refusing to negotiate because it says it has already met the pay level is recommended by the independent and h has pay review body which was set out earlier this year, however, that figure was full percent and that was long before inflation sort. so it naturally the, the nurse is under any chest off,
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not to mention of one else. i is very and all i use who, how much support is there in the general public for these strikes at the moment poles shows that there is quite a lot of support from the public full of the health care workers. especially after the pandemic. i think a lot of people came through that time with a lot of respect for our health care system for n h s. people were on the streets every week clapping for the n h s, and such on how what a good job they were doing. so i think now it comes down to the money is not being put where the government's mouth is, so to speak, and people people aren't happy about that. but if, if the strike continue, it make change things. rachel, who's a senior help reporter for insider. thank you. so much and that's our time, but make sure to stay in touch for our team on twitter at the we news and myself. nicole underscore freely for now though from all of us here on the day. thank you
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