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a crime against humanity. and after years of pressure and demands for their restitution, germany hands back the bend in bronze as to nigeria, europeans due to the art works more than a century ago. class african photographers traveled to marley's capital. one of the most important artistic and cultural events after 3 year break. oh mm hm. and we hear from one of the continents most influential jazz musicians. ah, ah, ah, i'm a healer mohammed. thanks for joining us. in an effort to come to terms with its colonial past,

the netherlands has apologized for its role in slavery. can say once had an extensive colonial empire in southeast asia, africa, and the america's hundreds of thousands of people were enslaved and sold by dutch merchants over centuries. now the dutch government is planning to invest in education and awareness programs to tackle racism. but the apology was not welcomed by every one an apology for slavery. that some c is long overdue austin posthumously to all enslaved people worldwide to be able to who suffer from those actions humbling to their daughters and sons into all their descendants until today, after fulton at ian. but ever since it became known that this apology would take place, there's been controversy surrounding it. first. there is the timing groups in certain and for example, a former colony of the netherlands city would have much rather had it on july 1st

2023, which marks a 150 years of the abolition of slavery there. oh, the way it's presented it. no, we don't accept the apology. first, we're going to value the disgusted eternally. and then give advice to the sir enemies government. if they must accept the apologies where to accept and way, rather than theirs. what happens after the apology? the dutch government says it will dedicate around $210000000.00 u. s. dollars to raise awareness about the history of slavery here in the netherlands, and another $28000000.00 to build a slavery museum. because of advocacy groups, welcome the idea, but they say it is also time to have a conversation about reparations street from my understanding does not include direct on payments to descendants who are have were families or ancestors were enslaved. i think that's still questions that are being that are being asked and not yet will be answered. after all, the sleep treat funded the so called golden age in the netherlands by exploiting

some 600000 people between the 17th and 19th centuries. meanwhile, many former colonies of the netherlands still suffer from widespread poverty. but what would reparations look like? the caribbean reparation commission, a group of 15 countries were many, were enslaved published a 10 point plan to answer that question. it includes an apology, but also funding for public health, history and literacy. the debate about apologizing for colonialism and paying reparations has also played out in other western european countries. particularly since the black lives matter movement. in 2021, the german government wanted to apologize to its former colony namibia and dedicate a fun for a development aimed. a descendants of a genocide driven colonial troops committed against the nomine herrera people. that initiative was rejected by descendants of victims who felt they were excluded from

negotiations in his hands. well, a digital is alisa tacoma, is in nigeria is economic hub, lake os. he has more and held his apology, was received in west africa where the slave trade began. the apology from the dutch prime minister for his country's role in slavery has clearly raised eyebrows for many here within west africa, which was a major hope for doug slave traders. back in the 17th century, reactions here, especially on social media, suggest that an apology will not be enough to classify a painful part of african history that still affects millions of africans today, generations later through racial violence at economic inequality. because it was therefore bays who were shipped out to work on dodge plantations on and on colonies solely on the basis of sleep label labeled, are still benefiting doug societies and his sentence today. now, the apology has also re ignited the larger debate of responsibility for historical

crimes with black slavery been at the heart of that debate. and while so my point to this as perhaps being a 1st step, us ask a 1st step to what exactly reparations or some form of economic compensation. so for many here, like historians, academics and activists or african so they say an apology alone, just one cottage. how saying on the topic of europe's efforts to make amends? germany's for minister and alina bab hawk travel to nigeria to return artifacts, known as the ben in bronzes. there among thousands of valuable relics that was stolen and sold all over europe in the late 19th century will speak to a descendant of the been in kingdom in just a moment. but 1st we have this report. says says the moment nigerians have been waiting for after a 125 years, these stolen treasures now returned home a 1st step to right the wrongs of the colonial passed. according to germany's foreign minister at the hand, over in the capital i boot,

jack. the return of the wrong says to day is therefore a crucial step towards addressing this chapter in the way that it should be addressed. openly, frankly, was the willingness to critically says, one owns activities. and crucially, by listening closely to the concerns of those who were the victims of colonial cruelties. it is in readiness to talking to listen that made to days returns possible. british soldiers looted the bronsons and 1897 from the palace and the kingdom of been now nigeria. there were sold to collectors all over europe, more than a 1000, ended up in german museums. now germany has become the 1st former colonial power to hand back. some of the artworks more will follow in the coming years. for ross with

some today just tells us about restitution is real about all the promises of the commitments back i've been made. i've been a beginning to be fulfilled, and this is where the bronze statues will be exhibited, and new museums being built and benign city and southwestern nigeria. the cities bronze tradition continues to this day. i when i say it is a bronze caster like his father and grandfather before him, he tells us he's only ever known the been bronzes from european museum catalogues. how can i really get the opportunity? what brigitte ducks are job buck to billy mic, also see very with clear what up for what i was producing google or get it on greets and yes, and what i see as well. i well good, happy wanted to come back on. i was opera. the new resume won't be finished for a few years, but already the return of the treasures is

a milestone in nigeria fight to regain at stolen cultural heritage. with all the w spoke to professor abbot t. johnny, he is the director general of nigeria is national commission for museums and he started writing letters to governments around the world, requesting that the been in bonds as be returned. he told us more about the process when he called please on museums, rejected our request, but persistent negotiations and contract and also make, you know, you know, partners to, nor ducks this things are illegally taken away and therefore we are only asking them to do, do i was only we now from lagos, is pad you lie ye walla? she is a nigerian artist and art historian. welcome to d. w. news africa. how much of a milestone is this?

handover i think is a wonderful thing. it's amazing to see that walks are turned into the interior once i've been brought from different countries of the world of how this works for several decades. in fact of a century. so it's really a welcome development. and you are a direct descendant of been in traditional rulers. how do you feel about this? personally? i'm really excited about it. and this has been a major part of my work since 2003 tried to draw attention to this contest and patrimony. this was that in lieu, tell from the palace of my great grandfather, about grammar was x out of caliber a niche and it is 7. so for me, it's a personal story as much as a communist story and it does featured prominently in my walk as an artist and

my exhibition title been in it. and then the 7 dot com was a festival expedition to look at this story in the british encounter between and 7 in n j. and ever since i've been lectures in different parts of the world to draw attention to this and to see how we can. we can talk about issues of identity, copyright ownership, opening objects, and this has been made your contribution as an artist and an educator. you spent years working on cultural heritage and restitution. would you say there's a fundamental change on the way and how the world views cultural artifacts stolen by colonial powers? yes, i will say that the one that does b, as in here more clinical in the period. and these items have been in bronze is fall into that category. i will talk about issues of restitution arbitration. it is

a major problem this and i turned in to the manager is a very significant aspect of i just called in the office and they keep, well, they can say that the forefront of discussions and a forefront a request has come mainly from the do real family since 1935, when my grandfather is where am i just to walk ins or the 2nd requested for 2 stools that way in the berlin museum. and we got plastic replicas, which you paid for. and we're 25 years after was out of it in 5 years after. and so the debate has moved on and it's been so many requests for this object over the years. i've fallen on deaf ears. but i think that when i begin to think about ways of addressing this ethical question and to move to return this works to the community where they were produced is

a very welcome war. and germany has agreed to contribute to the construction of a new museum in the been in city. what are the concrete steps do you think could be done to help make amends? it is very important that you look at the house community. luca girls who are daily connected and you cannot say that's how we are doing absolutely the right thing. will the candle from plaza under we? the has to be is strong recognition of your royal family. is fortunate in blue headphone to palestine. king king is a custodian of been an artifacts they will take him from the bed chima and his friends of the palace and saw the shoe return to that same space. so any idea, any article ignition you'd have, alicia on this is brenda hauled in the palace it and,

and so tourist to shewn will be there. this walks are brought back and just in the context of the palace opening, which is still in existence. petty lay while i thank you very much indeed for taking the time to speak to the daily news africa. thank you. and joining me in the studio is when a venture indic home, he wears a number of hats, but in summary, is a renowned art critic curator and the artistic director of the 13th bama co encounters, which we'll talk about in a moment. welcome to dw news. africa is great to have you. now, i want to 1st ask you about what we discussed earlier in the show. we heard about the netherlands apology and germany returning stolen. odds is europe on the right track to make amends for its past. i think it's long overdue. i think this a thing sir, should have been done long time ago, but we very happy that he'd been gone now. you know, if we look at the question of restitution,

i think it's very commendable when asked to take the opportunity to, to thank a lot of grassroot organizations in berlin, in germany and france and all over the world that have been working to us is $44.00 tickets now are like billing, postcolonial savvy clinton for e o 2, but also, you know, she would have thanks to the minister of culture, claudia ruth and the minister, a director and just grogan than many others that have been, have invested a lot in doing this. so it is the right track. as with the apology, i think it's also a beautiful gesture of an important gesture, but it should be, you know, followed up by action. ok. well now switching gears. let's look at her. the about miko encounters in miley, which you just returned from. it's back after a 3 year hiatus. and it's one of the most important cultural events in africa, bringing together photographers from across the continent and the diaspora to

display their work. let's have a look. women strong and proud in traditional dress, stare directly into the lens of is sharla apple. the artist from been in youth 17th and 18th century paintings found in european museum to inspire his photograph, re imagining african queens long, forgotten by history. oh, i was exploring the history of my grandmother, the history linked to her. oh, how keen bench croons images examined transitional landscapes found in his moroccan homeland. they celebrate the legacy of architecture that's fallen into ruin. the works are just a few of hundreds on display in the molly and capital. since launching almost 3 decades ago, the banner co encounters has become the most important event dedicated to contemporary photography on the african continent. the 1st post pandemic show is

bigger than ever. over $75.00 artists are showcasing their work across 8 venues. among them, italian senegalese artists been tardy all her work explores migration and identity and often uses hair as a recurring symbol encounters is also celebrating. several renowned artists with retrospective one is moroccan photographer and filmmaker doubt all x. i add another cuban born artist, maria magdalena campus pawns. at the launch of entered by marco's national museum artistic director bonaventure sorbet. jane and deacon brought together contributing artists and local students who clearly enjoyed the opportunity to get up close and personal with the art. oh, static you solos in there, obviously in a market. and you can see the difference between people of different religions, wilma islam, christianity and animates. you can also see how they're all helping each other.

they're walking franklin here to serve you monday. this is the work that spoke to me. the most places when you see it, i don't know what you see. but i notice lots of things. i example the little black line that goes down here. yeah, it really caught my attention. i like it a lot. yeah. at the banjo encounters the artworks are just the beginning, visitors can also enjoy workshops, debates and performances vans of contemporary photography have until february 8th to visit so we just saw your feature in that piece as well. this is the, the 1st show since the start of the pandemic. how significant is it that this took place of molly? well, it's quite important, quite significant to have to see not only from malley but to for the whole african

world. it is who had art is from a for brazilian art is arts is from, from the you as a, from south africa from all of it african world and her the loose by any that was put up in 1994 serves as a mom meant of encounter as the name sees, you know, so all this people happened to meet each other there and exchange. so it's quite important for the artists, but also important for the country itself because it also economically, but also it reminds us about the rule of culture within our societies, which i think it's a fundamental thing to, to do and keep on doing so it's quite important now much of the works have embraced the concept of identity lucas through that. well, i won't see it. just embrace this identity because the, the title of the exhibition is mac amaya, katia canal,

which in bamber means less under my personal. so me to pick them up this on the presence of my purse and the multiple in my purse. and so it's about multiplicity with vein, the individual. so it's not a simple or simplify understanding of what identity means, bit embraces the multiplicity of identities, even within one being, let alone the society, right? so we're thinking about multiplicity and differences, right? in terms of our, our heritage, in terms of landscape, in terms of the societies in terms of nation. would, you know, because we tend to think that this states represent one identity, one kind of people. but it's this vast, no difference at actually actually mix up society and wanted to talk about that wanted to, we chose toy tree rather than the simple, superficial and you know,

identity discourse. so sounds very much like, while this was an event for a lot of african photographers, nelson put many photographers on the international map. yes to say exactly, because our understanding of africa goes beyond the continent itself, right? so, but we also wanted to show solidarity with artists from different parts of the world . that's why we invited a collective or dallied artist from india to present their works there. and, and to also on the line this history of resistance is, you know, at the moment where you had the, the black panthers acting from the u. s. you also had the dallied banters acting from india. so wanted to make this relations, you know, but also center people like i'm becker, you know, and the practices and defects of resistance, you know, over dic, it over generations. you know, so it was also complicating the notion of what africa could possibly be and where to next. full moon for me, the feature of the spin alley. oh, well i hope it continues. it it's,

it's not been an easy thing to realize because sometimes we tend to put culture at the very back end and prioritize everything else without understanding that without culture, there is no foundation. so i hope it continues there. and looking forward to the next edition, which would definitely not be me doing it when i venture in the com. thank you very much. live for speaking to the w is our pleasure. thank you for inviting me. ah, now suncor him the most influential jazz musician from africa. other say he is the feature of jazz new thought martini is a south african pianist, composer and healer. he has his take on the origins of jazz on the continent. ah, ah, i use jazz as

a mouthpiece. i understand chez particularly with regard to improvisation. and improvisation is ledia, an outlet that leads to the things that are kind of unknown, that become known as we play them. oh, my name is deduce. oh my god, i come from a sooner time. i come from a musical family. i'm born in the eighty's a difficult time trying times in south africa and is so sound became a not an escape, but a space where we could project to confront sensibility to the difficulties of the 80. 0, really connected me because the connect to my rates as low as a story behind it. like i said, it's joining from like a, it's the

a ruinous of that music. it comes from his heart. it almost seems as though you're communicating with the heavens about. so it used to come to him as a reflection on those okay, before taking lessons and say how do we move forward? jazz was born as that he's out of displacement and looking at how do i define myself in his foreign land. and home is the utopian idea that you tried to pull together. we have to talk about gen does, without ignoring the historical complexities that come with dealing with such music's. so if we were to be really true, will realize that chess as a steep pest roots in africa, we have to speak up out that the catastrophes that have hit the continent which is laid tate set like 100 daddy's him. and that back date, because days, a sense in which people don't want to recognize the origins of jazz music, african jazz doesn't really get the,

the recognition that it deserves. and simply because of these fact that while everyone knows what american jazz history ease, people know, gleam sees of what's out african jesse's. oh, africa has a history of jazz. a status pop because in 1000 thirty's. that is unfortunate. so in a sense, people do not know that these are kind of not on the history that ad close the things in america, but it has to be that is part of that to our medical histories. so these, the n e v, a exciting future to come for this music. and i love that diversity is linked to the cultural diversity of a one. once in a lifetime. it matters that took place and you can contribute to the connect not

like a type on this notion, but a notion that you sent beautiful as a way of computing to not to to the one. 0. 2 2 5 hm, ah well that sancho, i'm really mohammed for me and the entire team. happy holidays i ah

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