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we still have time to go. i'm going with blue in theaters very often. i feel that they have to start something, but it's already going on. just listen, suggesting a m albert einstein once said that the most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious as but in a world where everything already seems to have been discovered. what is still mysterious? robert wilson would answer. art i don't know. i'm by you page with light like bob is like a dream experience. slap is vicki fi and i think he's an artist 24 hours a day every day of the year, which could slow. we bob has a wonderful world creating really totally from his point of view.

a, this is bob, he's a dancer, artist, architect, designer, stenographer, collector and director. the new york times is called him the world's foremost vanguard theater artist. germany and france have showered him with honors for making out to me my work as living. yeah. i can imagine that now as i have to hook him and do something creative or it's already going on. my name is called 30 years ago as a child. i saw my 1st bob production in hamburg, the black writer with music by tom, waits and text by william burroughs. i've been pondering it ever since. what's

happening here? why does this trigger me so much? is there a deeper meaning to it? or is it all a kind of fancy mirage? amanda sammy, this is not the couch. so it's the bombshell. oh, okay. point taken. bob it is. for this film i went on a quest for the secret behind the beauty. and where do we go 1st? when were hunting for secrets into the past? ah, bob was born in waco, texas in 1941 into a conservative wild where art didn't happen. his teacher bud hoffman helped him overcome his stomach. later, he named his foundation off to ha. i guess everything one does is autobiographical. it's the same body, it's the same signature. it's just like a tree and it grows and sometimes it's and storm. sometimes it loses the leaves and

sometimes it has new leaves, sir, but it's the same body working. i like her hummingbirds. i grew up with hummingbirds, discontented and having long outgrown his home environment. he studied economics in austin for 3 years. then he broke free, moved to new york and studied architecture, painted, danced, produced videos, and soon created his own theater company. bit by bit, all of this created the reality and substance of his work. ah, my life. and what i did in my work happened by chance. as by living life. there's not something i not necessarily from reading a book or going to school. yes, it had influences,

but the big lesson of my work i think was living and experience of life and the things happened unexpectedly. ah, it was thus that he met the compose of philip glass and together they created einstein on the beach. oh ah. basically we put ourselves in a oh, a 1970 barge rocket and took off i meant the exceptionally likable phillip glass in my living room. although only virtually my ex husband i saw had to do was my relationship was bob. we were very

close of tom. oh oh, when we made we re, oh, when we meet these dies. it's the same. the genius as well as being able to bring something to the stage, but you wouldn't sit on the street or you wouldn't stay in your room or in your room at home. by the way, neither of us ever knew what i saw on the beach was, oh actually that was something so original title. the original title was einstein on the beach on wall street. i said, well, i don't look at the wall street car. you said ok, let's cut our portal. ah, a

i was in the back of her head was the reason that we made the decision. the reason for the color reason for the, the, the triangular shapes that go throughout. the reason far or the violent the violin . i see also that on the see rice, i was very um, decisive informing the material as a p. i t it, it, it, it. einstein symbolizes a change of perspective. so what would the world be like if we could see it from a different angle, like go through the eyes of a person with autism? for instance, unlocking these strange wells is what bob is trying to do. and the. ready next big influence was when i met chris arnold, a 13 year old child who was in an institution for brain damage, brain injury, children. i asked chris once here in this apartment, i said to chris, who is einstein? and he said, i don't know. this is chris who has einstein, and he said,

i don't said chris, who was einstein. you said i don't know. chris was einstein should i? i don't know. chris, who was einstein said, i don't said chris, who's einstein. he said, i don't know. said chris, who is einstein says let me think. and then he wrote 12 chapters and he gave them to me a couple of days later. and it went something like some wind for the sailboat and you could view these radios. would it get some when it gets home when i when it gets and when i, when, when sale so i didn't know about citizens. he didn't tell me it was going to walcott station and, and closed the show. oh,

the surprised philip glass and the audience was seeing was bob's flashlight done. ah, so ended an uproar is almost 6 hours long, has no plot to speak of features, seemingly repetitive music, and with words by an autistic youth. that as so often in bob's work, made no sense in the traditional way. it was a challenge and a sensation, especially in europe, it was the foundation of a truly international career. but if bob harb as a secret understanding, it is more complex than just looking into his past. maybe we'll find some answers backstage. he's been a cause, had fetal on 50 important. i'm christine cradle, and we are here in the center of the rehearsal stages. at the dusseldorf shall

spell house we were currently rehearsing. robert wilson's version of dorian gray will simply title dorian, happy to vision. i had it put in my contract that i am to be on stage alone. so it became a monologue. it is indeed i am a man and was a shitty or mano has to put up with a diva like me. the mia want a lot of people don't know is that in a hairpins are pushed straight into the brain. that's where the ability to think abstractly. comes from is upset, so you can get is good. okay. christian yeah. if s fine it that'll hold. i became part of the bob family relatively late honey because bob tends to like to work with people from this family. i people who know his whole body of work, who are familiar with all the movement patterns began school. she could even separately for bookish kin have

a big circle around the room. i find it will make fun. is lazy as byron sadler who came from of the same direction, the spiral skipped each can fight anguish. it has no wrong way of doing things with it. when something unexpected or unplanned happens, it serves as a kind of trigger or inspire him even father. it's been the school at all ish. you get a sense for his body, it's at a blank. i can't get quite flustered out of a much good deal that she won't so sense what he is looking for. good does vestment and you sense what it is you are meant to do in that moment, went into freedom most go along with lead,

idaho. ah, willem dafoe is one of the most versatile actors of our time. and a full time academy award nominee. he's worked with bob on numerous occasions and we're about to discover the part he played in the death of the performance artist marina abramivitch language. so developed an awful he'll get up in canada and show you things. i actually do a performance and you start by copying and none of course you make it your own and you worked from there. but i'm one of the 1st things you do is just kind of play around with him because let's remember he's, he's a performer is a dancer, and among many other things, off balance and the 2nd part more closed. and i love that because when you get

a very strong language, you can really that phrase you, it gives you a structure in law in sh, yay. now once you sacrifice everything, basically, theater is his life. marina abram of it, the mother of performance art is of course very much alive and it was, but she took to the boards with willem dafoe. and christopher mill in her own requiem, the life and death of marina abramivitch staged by paul. i'm very sorry. she led a friend to her house, normally was all the play russian roulette. ah,

they live in the library sitting opposite each other pena. christopher nell is not just a talented actor, but also a gifted singer then spun around. oh, i talk with this baby and you're late, which is fashionable. it's ok. i always deal with this. i love, this is wonderful middle. it's very awesome. power night is 712, maybe 3, i'm not sure. and i was long time ago. he was the way harmony is to the cultural center, which was like the really, you know, kind of avant garde center in that time in belgrade and by 11 o'clock under the how you called the housekeeper from the center wall. so leave, there it is. common is time, so he said we're closing, i want to sleep. and bob totally ignored going on and on and he grown for another. the guy come. so we're closing, i want to sleep not to happen with

a guy come down with the pistol. this is the true story and shoot in the air. then bob took serious and then we all got home after such a 1st meeting. it's no surprise that marina wanted to work with bob. i always want to talk with bob hill this instant secretary of my life. she was particularly impressed by bob's ability to condense things. it was a genial scully, actually minimize my mother in 3 more. what's one movement? is it close the head with the finger up and down, up and down, pointing the direction and sloppy. 3, thanks. tis was my entire mother. back in place before came to the hospital. i remember one son walking on this street. an actor came up to me that i worked with him, graham, he said, how do you do it?

you know? yeah. paper to you like working with him. he said it's really difficult for me. i just can't find my funding in this way of working. but i like it very much i think it makes people do something on stage, but his actually always just interested in what you you do on stage. we're just here where the person can can do a one of these i'm, you wouldn't want to, you know, not this band with it's been eval. tom is not table. i'm the bookkeeper. up to him. i take notes off to skin gallon. i met bob in 1983 and we've been working together ever since 94. he

creates the space and the 4 door met going and i think the more you bring to the table, the more you can contribute those comp i. that's because bob would never tell an actor what to think of it. he never say at this moment you're thinking this or feeling that saddam never any to a gift in a form. he provides every one with a framework and it's more external is a form is not this framework is oppose a position in the space, but the thinking and what fills in the framework, what one does with it, how they can feel secure in it for that they have free reign doctors oh, the half who income at the average ticket was to fly high over world. but who had sniffing afar. you asked me before was it's been like working with bob for all this time. yeah, it feels a bit like family just routine, missing on be familiar. the word family has popped up several times now and it fits very well with the word secret. i've come and to close contact with this

international family again and again during filming. and it's clear every member makes their own unique contribution. friends, friends? no. oh, no. oh, some for friends sub. so for for many years now. no one kind of family. ah. bob's art is collaborative time off to time. it is populated by the same people with m to pho, isabella pear. christopher nel oh stefan cook. tom waits is a legend in his own right. i still can't quite get my head around. the fact that he agreed to talk to me about bob to this film. we don't have a socks on and i'm european a in zone. i mean, you're lucky the,

i'm not wearing shorts like that go up to miles. i a looked like a science student from the 50s. i didn't know what to make of that. well, d, i know that was a while ago. i am older now. i of the game like you, me, mom, come away from the experience and not be completely changed. hey bob. ah. as i am i mission, i a very interesting part of my life spent where he was up, so it was all very enriching. and i'd love to do it again. if

i came in do without getting a hijacker on may appear. ah . oh god. oh, oh, tracy lee again now room. oh said i'm in room is me mom and bruises. i felt really charged. the borrows tom waits mentions is william burroughs, the great american beat writer. he wrote the texts for the black rider, costello lundberg. hm. i worked with william burroughs and foul the cookie. com. it's i as how the stock market crash. it adds how

the bottega man shares is see sam bullets is special for a single target. a certain stag? oh, a certain person. i mentioned before that i saw the black rider when i was a child. oblivious that the central seems in is a hair when addiction and the author is not particularly child appropriate biography tokenize for my mother in law. so can hi jim. i'm here until it comes on and off here. get a hold of susan lackey. mckinney. if i don't think i can get an woods, i gain, i sign in love with the devil gives bill home cursed bullets. the last one hits his beloved william burroughs killed his 2nd wife in an attempt to shoot a glass of her head. william forest doesn't strike one as

a funny man. ours are full of humor. that's a fall of irony. burrows like a mask, but listen to her voice. so is laughing. tom waits to come along with a blank rider. oh, hello, gail. ty, take off your skin and dance around in your bones on drink your blood. like why says it remembered, am have a good time. the center of the whole thing was just my report. i could go re him with anything. i'm going through that i want him to help me with any work. i was no boy. oh boy. all the people there are in like

a repertory company. the actors are you can tell that it was either that or an insane asylum for them because they are show cracked and cracked open a g correct? oh mine be dial and dial in spare trash. the actors are been tom blair appeared alongside christopher mel in bob's production of shakespeare's sonnets at the belly. no sambal will follow all these amounts a client of watch. i don't know, but he's able to develop something that wasn't there before or was there but very simple. yes, this is sex. the clinical switch, i can only, honestly, like green guy is nothing more to say that was just magnificent,

just magnificent. with the lady with the sunny disposition is proud to hers. she worked with fast, been there and shilling and leave, and is almost unrecognizable under this typical bob style makeup men, me fortuna. schmidt came main switch mach, then me say about his machine video in tell them him in man, in gamma o'clock, when vagabond lost flu cushioning than my fate wishing me like to know, one more rushing home features like him like him with friends, possessed desiring, this man's art and that man is coping with which i most gingerly content colleagues to the bob family spans generations and continents. and in doing so, it wardens horizons

you know, it's bumps were and when i worked with and my love performing for him, i loved making him laugh. i was always performing for him. william says he wants to make bob love. and actually it occurs to me that may be laughter is another key to understanding bob's work. if you ever leave us, god forbid. what do you think your friends will miss? ah, i have no idea that i think further some of the best friends. ah. we enjoy a bottle of red wine and laughing property. bob described himself as funny.

oh, bob. if we can laugh, we shouldn't computer. oh, there's a, there's also a part of him that sir, that's a texan and a guy that likes grammar and likes, personality and, and you know, i liked the good joke. he worked very well with opposite center when something should be sammy for relief. plum said for it's carmody and when something's really comically tense that every time i have a good feeling for the dark side. mm. i mean, just open a scene for me is so much humor, you know, in the tree conference and, and the dogs and the, and we have so much fun with his dogs because they been highly trained. and then

the 1st, 3rd time they came on the stage that just piece around here and then one common sheet in the front. so it was so complicated. i was a lot of fun. me to me. you can always get to him with human. well, human is something that doesn't just lighten things off. it also opens the mind lockets on it. and i notice that with him for all the seriousness and cruelty of the subject matter cur. like, for example, dorian gray wing who drives people to suicide. they have smokers, a murderer himself, if he commits crimes and teeth, and yet there's an element of humor involved. thought it provides a cooler to get to the answer, this feasible reason, way to get a little further and encounter on. i just want you to provide that to begin. what is the bean i'm to call to have just hinted out. bob is not exactly fun and games. i to have felt the intense gravity of his personality is so many different ways, how you see the bob quietly loyal and loving. very serious. he's very sweet or

strong genius who more true. as i said, i enjoy performing for him when we're making i enjoy knowing he's out there and when we make him, i really do it to please him and try to connect the dots for him. ah, but he's also quite in the ways quite severely this baltic tyranny. rigorous. strict. wow. and then you can see why one there are more emotional, gentle and loving. ah ah, i spent in if i guess i'll never forget the thing that made the biggest impression

on me during rehearsals for me, a newton bomb spent 5 minutes showing me a dance and he was improvising to of natania the character i was playing. going matt. den natalie inch peter phillip, i had tears in my eyes because i was laughing so hard, bullish. but at the same time i found it sad because it was really movie nights at his college in finance, to it was fun to so much at once. i didn't know what, and then he said min's act now, you know you. and so then for the next 5 minutes in front of the whole company, on this exam, i had to replicate exactly what i just seen, all of that. and one i was dancing once again. i was laughing so hard and also felt embarrassed. and yet it was an amazing experience. mama like that, i'll never forget. listen to more wendy bennett gives me forget, ah

ah ah. 6 slumped doses. i think that's what people refer to as christmas or, or actually it's not something you can learn or try out or study. you either happy till you don't. i think i know it was it sounded by how he suddenly enters into this other world and how he goes inside himself. he might listens to his body and drifts off and he couldn't care less what anyone thinks. it's like he's completely caught up in what he's feeling in the system and anxious to hello.

oh, maybe if you could change dr. fair. every one the the day we look at the scene by same 34 minutes 25 minutes. 19 minutes. 3. so that's a good rhythm box. as easy. watching bob work is often a meditative experience. he radiates, severe, say, cool, seriousness and benevolent warmth. this enables him to enthrall and command entire theatre companies, as well as well famous stars like lady gaga, isabella, rosaline, lou reed and tom waits. oh, harry, i get there. i are only 3. there's no coffee. i took cold theatre

get enough sleep the night before long over, you know, you know, slowly all comes together and bob knows hydro perk, everybody up. we give him my landing personality in and you want to help him with his vision and you want to be the best part of his vision to show that i did with him were quite physical. and i, i love to have that kind of physical demand, but, you know, if you're going to do it better be live, you dance and then the dark and no one likes like bob is the best. he's get the best like me. okay. uh huh.

maybe i will see when i'm hanging with the harness up there and then he will just look at me. and he said, pencil said the genta 547. bring the road i have ever to blue, literally or from the harness. it doesn't matter. he could put a gold there. he has to live in person. this is so precise of him. right? no, our is. it completely turns your world upside down. it's really is a rough. it all a practice. take a lie. you know, he lose hair. you know? you're really but know it's got to be made out of something right. ah, like einstein we might look for the secrets on the sub atomic plane to somewhere in

the space between the smallest particles. bobs off the staff mode says nothing can be arbitrary. so when people alleged that his work has no context and is all just random, all arbitrary, it's notes, this is a snake. good. both of your hands. send back to him. now put on the side of his head. no, don't go so fast. all right, now take the tip of your fingers further away. point one, finger somewhere and there should be a high p. i'm since i'm the class from what i remember so well. one point when bill m, the whole is doing something on the stage any ever the, the penciling the scant, and he just said, blake pencil, he stop every time he says stop, where does the red pencil say?

we could, we could get red pencil in the afternoon. no at, with his stop, but he goes to stop somebody to go and get the bloody red pencil. now is red, pensive, now we can start moving on to satan. before mathis, i realized that most of the time you can't see him, you just he, his voice was understood like the he, his voice. yes. lunch, my hotel wrangler times just his breath is audible. that also happened also said stop should be higher than the border. this just in front of this lamp, when anne stole in, unless he puts a chair in an empty room, you can be sure that if moved 10 centimeters to the left, it will have just rights. and he knows exactly. that's where it should be about one the nozzle. dumb says on figures should be over on the side. and then he just trusts his own vision. i knows how to achieve it. is seamless.

this just everything is glowing. you're moving into a iron the desert. now there's an deer over by that rock here. yeah, nobody joselle. irene by hulu. does anything at all like, palm beach, chef bob to be a bigger like big huge. if i saw this d technica he m horse. i remember how skeptical the stage crew here in this fair to was at the beginning when done. and then at some point they became aware of the magic dog. oh. and that they had to get a feel for how and when they moved things on and off the staging turned the light that's on the wagon be very big. and as like, and still it was really great to see how we came together as a team. we're and it's only through this cohesion that a performance will or won't work again, or even that's also what he says as his office is that you have to have an awareness of the whole thing and exam too often, actors are so fixated on themselves and working with bob,

you learned that the performance can only succeed if everybody involved, whether on stage or off works together for the bruno. no one can do it without the others. if you wanted it or not. okay, and then the dollars shouldn't be bloom blurt. well, maybe we won't blood caplener. ah . is me the n? yeah, it's lucky rex. this big structure have a good some to cost that kind of architecture to work for lee of light, find part of splashes of color shall sh bill of act is all the figures they may charge. parish, game of movement a vehicle. what else is there? because it's all put together and you have to envision yourself that is one part of

it in the funds and pay ah, he's san as reached the level of refinement at that's very high. and he finds people that respond to his way. ah, and i'm one of them with me. i remember one thing that was that i enjoyed every night was antony singing and marina sound on stage. and i'm sitting in this pile of newspapers. i'm picking up this text and reading. and when i picked them up, i can choose to read a lot

a little also where i put it in relationship to the sang and to the music. 942006. she said yes, yes, yes. as it's just a statement of facts and there's something very moving with the music playing and where we are in the play that, you know, this life comes down to these facts in all of this is a rehearsal. so the sad story is in my life that really makes me cry because i'm shame of them and it's difficult them. and i had the problems with this stories for so long. and i give to him, you know, to use them. and he said to me, can you stop this bullshit crying over on the rehearsals, i say, you know, probably have to cry, not chill, intent somehow you not have to rehearse scene. and after playing this, please,

i am free from all of this. ah, ah! working with bob was liberating for marina because it created a stream of subconsciousness, something like lucid, dreaming. you just sit there and you, you almost get into a kind of dream like state is not almost kind a like a dream like state i big. in fact, it is he's, he's creating all the conditions for dreaming. so does bob's work permit insight into another state of consciousness. he is certainly interested in these hidden realms of the human mind. to say the baby is born dreaming with his eyes close.

what is it dreaming? the play of lights and the set, the space just put me in a trance. and i always remember that it's nice to find that other way of saying when you're at the theater we can experience things and dreams of psychedelic trips that have profound meaning for us, but to lose our powers of description. so is there really any point in seeking meaning and bumps work? should we not simply allow us the freedom to challenge all very individual experiences and perceptions? it might be more fun with the meaning meaning or what they are making. meaning no,

never think about what they may not with frequently people ask when my work is about to my city. i don't know and i don't think it's a responsibility for an artist to necessarily understand what it is that he does. everything must have been any except my number for you. einstein and heisenberg called it the uncertainty principle. i made this film to explain bob's art, but the closer i came to it, the more resisted explanation. so i hope you get the chance to have your own experience of it and find your own meaning in it. because i can't explain it. and actually, i don't really want to either see for yourself. he pressed his lips law.

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