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and that's it from us for now, we leave you with some more impressions of new year's e fireworks from around the welt. take care. ah, i we've got to understand that globalization work, but he does not reach more than 30 percent of the world population in the mediterranean as become a kind of great sarcophagus. if anything he was proud of, it was to be a steal worker for the winners and losers. vision,
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where do we stand? starts january 5th on d, w ah. in theaters very often i feel that they have to start something, but it's already going on. just listen, endav shenker albert einstein once said that the most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious as but in a world where everything already seems to have been discovered. what is still mysterious? robert wilson would answer. art i am by you with light like bob. this is like a dream experience. slap is vicki fi and i think he's an artist 24 hours a day every day of the year, which could slow. we bob has a wonderful world creating really totally from his point of view.
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a, this is bob, he's a dancer, artist, architect, designer, stenographer, collector and director. the new york times is called him the world's foremost vanguard theater artist. germany and france have showered him with honors for making out to my work as living. yeah, i can imagine that now as i am going to go in and do something creative or it's already going on, my name is com 30 years ago. as a child, i saw my 1st bob production in hamburg. the black writer, with music by tom, waits and text by william burroughs. i've been pondering it ever since. what's happening here? why does this trigger me so much? is there a deeper meaning to it?
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or is it all a kind of fancy mirage? amanda sammy, this is not the couch. so it's the bob shop. oh, okay. point taken. bob it is. for this film i went on a quest for the secret behind the beauty. and where do we go 1st when were hunting for secrets into the past? ah, bob was born in waco, texas in 1941 into a conservative world where art didn't happen. his teacher bud hoffman helped him overcome his stomach. later he named his foundation off to ha, i guess everything one does is autobiographical. it's the same body, it's the same signature. it's a, it's like a tree and it grows. and sometimes it's and storm. sometimes it loses the leaves
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and sometimes it has new leaves, sir, but it's the same body working. i like her hummingbirds. i grew up with hummingbirds, discontented and having long outgrown his home environment. he studied economics in austin for 3 years. oh then he broke free, moved to new york and studied architecture, painted, danced, produced videos, and soon created his own theater company. bit by bit. all of this created the reality and substance of his work. ah, my life. and what i did in my work happen by chance or by living life is not something i not necessarily from reading a book or going to school. yes, it had influences,
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but the big lessons of my work i think was living and experience of life and the things have happened unexpectedly. it was thus that he met the compose of philip glass and together they created einstein on the beach. ah, ah, basically we put ourselves in a 01975 rocket and took off i met the exceptionally likable phillip glass in my living room, although only virtually my ex husband i so had to do was my relationship was bob.
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we were very close at that time. oh oh. when we meet, we re, oh, when we meet these days, it's the same. the genius as well as being able to bring something to the stage, but you wouldn't sit on the street or you wouldn't stay in your room or in your room at all. by the way, neither of us ever knew what i saw on the beach was, oh actually that wasn't the original title. the original title was einstein on the beach on wall street. i said, well, i don't look at the wall street car. you said ok, let's cut our portal. ah, ah, mm.
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i was in the back of her head. we was the reason that we made the decision. the reason for the color reason for the, the, the triangular shapes that go throughout. the reason for the violin, the violin, i feel for that on the theory once and was very um, decisive informing the material of the pc. darn einstein symbolizes a change of perspective. so what would the world be like if we could see it from a different angle? lines through the eyes of a person with autism for instance, unlocking these strange wells is what bob is trying to do. and the. ready next big influence was when i met kristen renewals and 13 year old child who was with an institution for brain damage, brain injury, children. i asked chris once here in this apartment, they said to chris, who is einstein? and he said, i don't know. this is chris who is einstein, and he said, i don't know who is chris, who was einstein you sent?
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i don't know. chris was einstein should i? i don't know, chris, who was einstein. so to chris, who's einstein. he said, i don't know, said chris, who is einstein says let me think. and then he wrote 12 chapters and he gave them to a couple of days later. and it went something like it's when for the sailboat and you can do these for it is when it gets um when it gets um when i when it gets um when i when i get them, when i say about me, i didn't know of citizens. he didn't tell me it was going to walt station and, and close the show. oh,
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the surprised philip glass and the audience was seeing was bob's flashlight dance. ah, so ended an opera that is almost 6 hours long. has no plot to speak of features, seemingly repetitive music and with words vinyl to stick youth that i so often in bob's work, made no sense in the traditional way. it was a challenge. i'm the sensation, especially in europe. it was the foundation of a truly international career. but if bob hob as a secret understanding, it is more complex than just looking into his past. maybe we'll find some answers back stage. he's been a, his had fetal, and see if he would see an important i'm christine plato. and we are here in the center of the rehearsal stages at the dusseldorf shall spell house. but we were currently rehearsing. robert wilson's version of dorian gray,
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simply title dorian with talking to him, i had it put in my contract that i am to be on stage alone. so it became a monologue. thickness indeed. ah, i'm a man was a ship or man who has to put up with a diva like me, the mere want a lot of people don't know is that in a hairpins are pushed straight into the brain. that's where the ability to think abstractly comes from is upset. so you think that is good. okay, thank you. christian. yes it is fine. it's a battle hold. i became part of the bob family relatively late honey, because bob tends to like to work with people from this family. people who know his whole body of work, who are familiar with all the movement patterns because school should be able to apply for bookish kin. thank you. have a boot circle around the room. i'm here
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it is. okay. i see byron sadler who could probably remove, say, diversion, spiral. skipped, and he can fight english. there is no wrong way of doing things when something unexpected or unplanned happens. it serves as a kind of trigger or in spies him even further. it's been the school at all ish. you get a sense for him to body. it's at a blank. i can get white plaster of a much good the that you also sense what he is looking for? good desmond and you sense what it is you are meant to do in that moment? went into freedom was i spoke with her about ah,
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ah, willem dafoe is one of the most versatile says of our time at a full time academy award nominee. he's worked with bob on numerous occasions and we're about to discover the part he played and the death of the performance artist, marina abramivitch language. so developed an awful he'll get up and kind of show you things. i actually do a performance and you start by copying and none of course you make it your own and you worked from there. but i'm one of the 1st things you do is just kind of play around with him because let's remember he's, he's a performer is a dancer, and among many other things, off balance and the 2nd part more closed. and i love that because when you get
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a very strong language, you can really that phrase you, it's, you know, gives you a structure, ah, a sh sh. now once you sacrifice everything, basically, theater is his life. marina abram of it's the mother of performance. art is of course very much alive and it was, but she took to the boards with willem dafoe and christopher mill in her own requiem, the life and death of marina abramivitch staged by paul. i'm very sorry. she led a friend to her house normally was home to play russian. laugh ah, they live in the library sitting obsolete. a christopher male is
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not just a talented actor, but also a gifted singer. then spun around here. i talk with this baby and you're late, which is fashionable. it's okay. i can. oh yeah. i always deal with this. i love, this is wonderful middle, it's very awesome. power night is 712, maybe 3. i'm not sure. you know, i was long time ago he was doing harmony this to the cultural center, which was like, really, you know, kind of avant garde center in that time in belgrade and by 11 o'clock under the, how you called the housekeeper from the center wall. so leave, there it is, common is time. so he said the closing, i want to sleep and bob totally ignored going on and on and he grown for another. the guy come. so we are closing, i want to sleep not to happen with a guy come down with the pistol. this is the true story and shoot in the air. then
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bob took serious and then we all got home after such a 1st meeting. it's no surprise that marina wanted to work with bob. i always want to talk with bob hill this instant secretary, all my life. she was particularly impressed by bob's ability to condense things. it was a genial, scholarly, actually minimize my mother in 3 more. what's one movement? is it close the head with the finger up and down, up and down. counting the direction and sloppy tree thinks tis was my entire mother back in place before i came to the hospital. i remember one son walking on this street. an actor came up to me that i worked with him, graham, he said, how do you do it? you know, i referred to you like working with him. he said,
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it's really difficult for me. i just can't find my funding in this way of working. but i like it very much i think it makes people don't something on stage, but his actually always just interested in what do you you do on stage or just you as a person can do a one of these i'm you wouldn't want, you know, not this band with it's been able. tom is not taylor, i'm the bookkeeper. up to him. i take notes enough to stand alone. i met bob in 1983 and we've been working together ever since 24. he creates the space and the 4
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door met going, and i think the more you bring to the table, the more you can contribute those comp i. that's because bob would never tell an actor what to think of it. he never say at this moment you're thinking this or feeling that saddam never me to a gift in a form. he provides every one with a framework and it's more external is a form is not this framework is oppose a position in the space. but the thinking and what fills in the framework, what one does with it, how they can feel secure in it for that they have free reign, doctors oh, the half who income at the average ticket was to fly high over world. but who had sniffing of arc you asked me before was it's been like working with bob for all this time. yeah, it feels a bit like family. absolutely missing on be familiar. the word family has popped up several times now and it fits very well with the word secret. i've come in to close contact with this international family again and again during filming,
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and it's clear every member makes their own unique contribution. friends, friends? no. oh, no. oh, some for friends, serv, so firm for many years now. no one kind of family. ah, bob's art is collaborative. time off to time. it is populated by the same people with m to pho, isabella pear, christopher nell, or stefan cook. tom waits is a legend in his own right. i still can't quite get my head around. the fact that he agreed to talk to me about bob to this film. we don't have a socks on and i'm european a in zone. i mean,
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you're lucky the i'm not wearing shorts. like the go up to miles. i a looked like a science student from the 50s. i didn't know what to make of that. well, d, i know that was a while ago. i'm older now. i of the game like you, me, mom, come away from the experience and not be completely changed. hey bob. ah, as i am, i miss him. i'd say it a very interesting part of my life spent or he was up so it was all very enriching. and i'd love to do it again. if i came in do without getting
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a hijacker, her, her own may appear. ah . oh oh, tracy lee, now room. oh said i'm a room with me mom and bruises. i felt really charged. the borrows tom waits mentions is william burroughs, the great american beat writer, he wrote, the texts for the black writer said i love the bird. hm. i worked with william burroughs and foul the cookie. com and how the stark market crashes as how the bottega mat shares,
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is see sam bullets is special for a single target. a certain stag. oh, a certain person i mentioned before that i saw the black rider when i was a child. oblivious that the central themes in is a hair when addiction and the author is not particularly child appropriate biography, though, could i'd from 9 am, and so can i to manhattan? i sent it to me again. azusa lackey. mckinney. if i up the line again with silence while you were devil gives bill home cursed bullets. the last one hits his beloved william burroughs killed his 2nd wife in an attempt to shoot a glass of her head. william forest doesn't strike one as a funny man. always full of humor. it's
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a fall of irony. burrows like a mask, but listen to her voice. so he's laughing. tom waits to come along with a black rider. oh hello gail: ty, take off your skin and dance around in your bones on drink here. blood like why says it up, we're going to have a good time. but the center of the whole thing was just my report. i could go re him with anything i'm going through that i want him to help me with any work. no boy. oh oh, oh boy. all the people there are in like a repertory company. the actors are you can tell that it was either that or in the
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same asylum for them because they are show cracked and cracked open. and she breaks or mine be dial and dial in spare trash. the actors are been tom blair appeared alongside christopher mel in bob's production of shakespeare's sonnets at the belly. no sambal for fun. all these and multiplying of watch. i don't know, but he's able to develop something that wasn't there before or was there but very simple. ah, yes. as his sex the clinical switch, i can only honestly agree scott is nothing more to say that was just magnificent,
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just magnificent. with the lady with the sunny disposition is proud to hers. she worked with fast, been the unfeeling and safe, and is almost unrecognizable under this typical bob style. make up men which fortuna schmidt came main. switch mach, when me say a, been with melvin video, him tell them him near melinda muck, laugh, man bag, a blue last for flu cushioning. and my faith wishing me like to know one more rushing home features like him like him, with the friends possessed desiring this man's art. and that man is coping with what i most gingerly. content commonly used in the bump family spans generations and continents. and in doing so, it wardens horizons even
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you know it's bumps were and when i worked with them, my love performing for him, i loved making him laugh. i was always performing for him. william says he wants to make bob love. and actually it occurs to me that may be laughter is another key to understanding bob's work. if you ever leave us, god forbid. what do you think your friends will miss? ah, i have no idea that i think further, some of the best friends says, ah, we enjoy a bottle of red ryan and laughing ballpark. the ball describes himself as funny. ah, bob,
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if we can laugh, we shouldn't make theater. oh there's a, there's also a part of him that sir, that's a texan and a guy that likes grammar and likes to personality and. and now i likes a good joke. it works very well with opposite center when something should be savvy for relief. plum said for it's cavity, and when something's really ca, mckee tends to have a 10 a have a good feeling for the dark side. mm. i mean, just open a scene for me is so much humor, you know, in the 3 conference and, and the dogs and the, and we have so much fun with his dogs because they been highly trained. and then the 1st, 3rd time they came on the stage that just piece around and then one come and shit
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in the front. so it was so complicated. i was a lot of fun. me too much. you can always get to him with human, what human is something that doesn't just lighten things off. it also opens the mind, additional lockets on it. and i notice that with him for all the seriousness and cruelty of the subject matter, ca, like, for example, dorian gray wing who drives people to suicide, smoke who's a murderer himself. if he commits crimes and teeth, and yet there's an element of humor involved. thought it provides a coolant to get to the answer, this feasible reason way to look at a little further and encounter when i just launched it right the to good. what is the bean and towel to have just hinted out. bob is not exactly fun and games. i to have felt the intense gravity of his personality is so many different ways, how you can see the bob quietly loyal and loving. very serious. he's very sweet or
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strong genius, who more as i said, i enjoy performing for him when we're making i enjoy knowing he's out there and when we're make him, i really do it to please sam and try to connect the dots for him. ah, but he's also quite in the ways quite severely this baltic tyranny. rigorous. strict. wow. and then you can see what one there are more emotional, gentle and loving. ah ah, i spent in if i guess, i'll never forget the thing that made the biggest impression on me during rehearsal swapped me a little. bob spent 5 minutes showing me
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a dance and he was improvising to of natania the character i was playing. going matt, den natalia in peter phillips. i had tears in my eyes because i was laughing so hard by life. but at the same time i found it sad because it was really moving nicely, calling finance to it was fun to so much at once. i didn't know what, and then he said, when in fact now you know you answer them for the next 5 minutes in front of the whole company on this guy, i had to replicate exactly what i just seen. no, it doesn't. i'm one. i was dancing once again. i was laughing so hard because the master and also felt embarrassed. and yet it was an amazing experience. most like that. i'll never forget and listen to more wendy bennett gibson forget, ah
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ah ah. 6 slumped doses, i think that's what people refer to as christmas or, or actually it's not something you can learn or try out or study. you either happy till you don't. i think i was astounded by how he suddenly enters into this other world and how he goes inside himself. he mind listens to his body and drifts off and he couldn't care less what any one thank washed and it's like he's completely caught up in what he's failing. listen to him and, and feeling around
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. maybe if he could change dr. fair. every one the day we look at the same by same 34 minutes, 25 minutes. 19 minutes 3. so that's a good rhythm. a bunch. this is seen watching bob work is often a meditative experience. he radiates, severe, sacred seriousness and benevolent warmth. this enables him to enroll and command entire theatre companies as well as well. famous stars like lady gaga, isabella, rosaline, lou reed and tom waits. oh, harry, i get there. i are only 3. there's no coffee. i took cold theatre.
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get enough sleep the night before long over, you know, you know, slowly all comes together and bob rose high perch everybody up week. everybody says this is randy personality in and you want to help him with his vision and you want to be the best part of his vision is to show that i did with him were quite physical. and i, i love to have that kind of physical demand, but, you know, if you're going to do it better be let it dance and then the dark and no lights like bob is the best. he's get the best like me. okay. uh huh. maybe i will see when i'm hanging with the harness
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there and then he will just look at me and he said, pencil said the genta 50 for the red. i have ever to blue literally from the harness, but it doesn't matter. he could put a doll there. he has to live in person. this is so precise of him. right? no. our is it completely turns your world upside down. it's really as a rough. it all projects take a lot. yeah. he lose hair. you know? you really. but is gotta be made out of something, right? i like einstein, we might looks at a secret on the sub atomic plane to somewhere in the space between the smallest particles. bob's after stuff. nope,
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says nothing can be arbitrary. so when people alleged that his work has no context, and it's all just random or arbitrary, it's not, this is a nice, didn't both of your hands send it back. i can now put on the sites and they said, no, don't go so us right now. take the tip of your fingers further away. point one finger, somewhere in there should be a high p. i switch too much or i remember so well. 1.2 and below the whole is always something on the stage any ever. the, the pencil in his hand, and he just said black pencil, he stop everything, he says, stop, where is the red pencil. we can get the red pencil in afternoon. know it with
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you. stop, rehearse a stop. somebody will to go and get the bloody red pencil. now is red, pensive. now we can start from the 1st not this. i realized that most of the time you can't see him. you just hear his voice and vanished. and his voice, yes, $12.00 times just his breath, his order that also had to stop should be higher than the border this just in front of this lamp, banana stolen. and leon, as he puts a chair in an empty room, you can be sure that if moved 10 centimeters to the left, it will have just rights. and he knows exactly. that's where it should be about one the nozzle. dumb says on figures should be over on the side and then he just trusts his own vision. i knows how to achieve it. is seamless as to say everything is glowing in moving into
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a higher in the desert now than deer over by the iraq. and here, yeah, nobody joselle irene. bye lou, there's anything at all like bob except bob to be a bigger like big huge. if i saw this de technica here, i'm house. i remember how skeptical the stage crew here in this there to was at the beginning. when done, and then at some point they became aware of the magic thought, oh and that they had to get a feel for how and when they moved things on and off the staging turned the light that's on the wagon be very big on their side and still, it was really great to see how we came together as a team. we're and it's only through this cohesion and that a performance will or won't work order. and that's also what he says as, as the officer that you have to have an awareness of the whole thing putting his on too often. actors are so fixated on themselves and working with bob. you learned that the performance can only succeed if everybody involved,
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whether on stage or off, works together for the bruno. no one can do it without the others wanted it or not . okay, and though the dollars shouldn't be blum blurt, or maybe we won't blood caplener. ah, is me the n? yeah, it's lucky rex. this big structure at the some to cost that comes of architecture take to for lee of light, find far a splashes of color of act is old. the figures they may chowsky lush game of movement of vehicle. what else is there? good. so it's all put together and you have to envision yourself. that is one part
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of it. the funds and type ah, he's someone that has reached the level of refinement and that's very high. and he finds people that respond to his way. ah, and i'm one of them with i remember one thing that was that i enjoyed every night was antony singing and marina's out on stage. and i'm sitting in this pile of newspapers. i'm picking up this text and reading and when i picked them up i can choose to read a lot a little all. so where i put it in relationship to the sang and to the
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music. 942006. she said yes, yes. yes. as it's just a statement of facts and there's something very moving with the music playing and where we are in the planning that you know, this life comes down to these facts. ah, ah, all of this is a rehearsal. so this said stories in my life that really makes me cry because i'm shame of them and it's difficult them. and i had the problems with his stories for so long. and i give to him, you know, to use them. and he said to me, chris stopped his bullshit, crying on the rehearsals. i say, you know, probably have to cry, not chill, intent somehow. you know, i have to rehearse see enough to play this place. i am free from all of this,
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ah, ah! working with bob was liberating for marina because it created a stream of subconsciousness, something like lucid dreaming. you just sit that and you, you almost get into a kind of dream like state. you're not almost kind of like a dream like state egg. in fact, it is he's, he's creating all the conditions for dreaming. so does bob's work permit insight into another state of consciousness. he is certainly interested in these hidden realms of the human mind. to say the baby is born dreaming with his eyes close. what is it dreaming. 2 the play of light and the sex
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the space just put me in a trance. am i always remember that it's nice to find that other way of saying when you're at the theater we can experience things in dreams and psychedelic trips that have profound meaning for us, but to lose our powers of description. so is there really any point in seeking meaning in bob's work? should we not simply allow all the freedom to challenge our very individual experiences and perceptions? it might be more fun with the meaning meaning, or with a heart thinking. meaning no, never think about what they mean with
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people asking for my work is about to my say, i don't know and i don't think it's a responsibility for an artist to necessarily understand what it is that he does. everything must have been any except my love for you. and stein and heisenberg called it the uncertainty principle. i made this film to explain bob's art, but the closer i came to it, the more it resisted explanation. so i hope you get the chance to have your own experience of it and find your own meaning in it. because i can't explain it. and actually, i don't really want to either add to the see for yourself. he pressed his lips law a
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