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she ha ha ha ha. relative to the poker. as you can see, with hopes private secretary exchanging the kiss of peace, it's called before. and so that, that's what's happening now as it was, was we saw in those pictures there. there were relatives of a pope ameritas benedict with the pope, sir, that a private secretary. so that concludes the 2nd section. we are now seeing the conclusion of the 2nd section or with the prayer just before communion and there the priests we see going out with the aside bornea containing the hosts which the communion which they will be distributing among the

face of large numbers. and of course, i can't judge the crowd exactly how many, but it seems to me that the square was actually pretty full. and were just to repeat a point that we made earlier. what would would no longer seeing the pope and presiding matter what he is actually presiding still, but normally one would expect. of course you're right, phil. one would expect my manager said i is the man you said to me standing in for the poke, their cotton parent receives holy communion. a cardinal parenting is the secretary of state 15. so the number 2 in the vatican. hope frances, as i mentioned earlier, has been suffering as excruciating pain. he stands and in ceremonies,

even at christmas. he's had somebody step in for him and reside he chose though to reside at this record master. i think it's special personal tribute to his predecessor benedict's very touching one because we know that actually in quite literally physical sense, caused him a great deal of pain. but the main prayer of the mast lengthy prayer, delegated as well as he saw to cardinal carolyn rubiser. stay priest, now receiving oh

i was touched myself with frances in his family. phil described benedict as a very kind man because he's often been seen dickie by the secular press is a very severe strict man. that was because for a number of years for 12 years. in fact, he was the chief theologians church and had to impose discipline within the church . i think it cost him probably more pain doing that than most people realize. there are 2 factors that suggest that to me. one is that since he became pope, he invited hunter couldn't a prominence, german theologian with him. he's been very friendly when he was much younger and they were both considered very progressive forward looking theologians terrible busta at when they were not speaking to me in each other any longer and couldn't in fact even left the priesthood and,

and francis at francis benedict invited him to the vatican and a personal meeting, an offer of reconciliation. that was the one thing, an act of kindness. i think generosity and another one was the way that, you know, when he tried to deal as best you could, i with the child abuse scandal. he or it's easy to say, he made some bad decisions. he almost certainly did. he apologized for bad decisions that he had made. but there was a very kind compassionate side to benedict. when he was on his travels, i was covering those. i was with him a number of times. i remember, for example, in london in 2010 visit to the united kingdom. the 1st visit, incidentally, buyer pope, in history, the united kingdom. and we were standing around wondering what exactly was happening. there was a hiatus

a gap in the schedule and we heard afterwards. he himself did not comment on it in the vatican, didn't he wanted it to be private because he wanted to be personal at the city stand that he was meeting with victims of child abuse. and we only know this because one of the victims came for crystal and said, hm was he where we often use with the george of sensor a laudatory sense. one of the other, i think it's one of the, the occupational hazards of being a journalist. i said of christian that we tend to in order to simplify the narrative,

we and i think that over quickly and decide whether somebody is good or bad, a victim or a perpetrator, somebody to be praised, or somebody to be vilified. m. that certainly isn't a christian perspective, and i think even body psychology tends to confirm that that is not fair and it people, all of us are a mixture of good and bad. and that even the best of us can be sure about what was about our motives, doing things and, and benedict was certainly a person who in tremendously humbled person who, who am a numerous occasions apologized, expressed shame for what the church was experiencing. and what individual priest had done what he called the filth in the church and was the 1st person within the church. the judge hierarchy in the back can to impose

a very strict measures to try to prevent future cases of child abuse. and in fact, he defraud is often not mentioned. he deep rock, some 20250 priests during his time as prefect of the congregation of the face. ok, so we know in the reception commune what's, what's going to be, what's going to be happening next? we're coming to the final section. that's right. the final section is a 30 brief section of farewells to the the presiding priest i presume, will be open, not hurting will lead the congregation in prayers specifically for full benedict. stripped of all honor, as we all are in death, a simple man casting himself on god's mercy and then the choir will

sing, a very beautiful hymn, may the angels lead you into paradise. and the mass will conclude with mary's him of, of praise, commonly known as latin word magnificat. i so magnified and then the cost in which we see then on the pictures the seat of coffin will be carried out and into the city council pieces and down into the grotto where traditionally the pope's are buried and there he will be buried probably in the grotto where i have john for the 2nd was buried. it's not free as well because of jumbled 2nd was assigned to the catholic church and his modern remains within wrought up to a chapel in the basilica chapel of sin, sebastian,

one of my own personal memories i sang to it. so, you know, i, i traveled a great deal with this co, i'm one of my personal memories was on that trip to the united kingdom. when i, i traveled in also in the plane and so in the very close quarters and came back and talked to us journalists. but when he went to scotland, we went to scotland and he was greeted by the queen. queen elizabeth the 2nd codered palace, residence british monarchy in scotland. and he got out of the car rather compact little car, rather frail and, and unsightly stumbling. and the queen came forward and never had a touching gesture. i found a very touching me. she took his arm and we saw these 2 elderly rather frail people moving towards the palace. and it struck me at the time at that one wouldn't think of it normally or i wouldn't. and there's

a certain celerity between 2 that both with people who had a very strong sense of duty, of sacrificing themselves or regarding the institution which they represented as being more important than themselves in their own personal needs. whatever you think about monarchy or what have you think about papacy? these are quite remarkable qualities and a person, and i think there's 2 people how, how interesting the coincidence that they should both die in the same year. they perhaps mock the end of an era we live in a time when that is considered by most people, certainly in the western world, that kind of ideal of duty and loyalty to an ideal and self sacrifice, limiting oneself that one has no, virtually no personal life but where is it, perhaps, perhaps a dying

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a simple one as well. a very simple one. the 2nd pope, of course, pope benedict. the 2nd baby referred to his was pope ameritas as he he chose himself to be called a retired pope. but yes, indeed, an extraordinary ceremony from the point of view that the pope was here residing every requiem mass for another pope. normally, of course, it's the dean of the college of cardinals, who resides over the death of a pope. and before the next pope is elected benedict a controversial figure in many ways, i think also in many ways i misunderstood and to some extent in my personal view, and unfairly judged man theologian, a brilliant intellect. at 31, he was a full professor of theology, which is extraordinary achievement for somebody who came from little village in the very a here in southern germany,

credited his to with all me. so mean this access will see the question family till then is eat us, me say accordion dwellings, outdoor and loading up a better quality given daily safety. me to your door on the students that are in debbie's position and um yeah, nordstrom references and i lead the prayers for the deceased for there is sort of this way collision. we secret santa me steadier recall indies has been men this or they get a fuse he or then for the future that they may need to live in a veto post. today, man settled that shannon becomes elkin dale, but him, he said he called the guy that people 20. com me thomas those buchan nazarov, but he is from greystone and jenny don't so we speak on sounds on wi the gun best. but be immediate tobin

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bringing the incense for her incense in the cerebral and said that the coffin and incense this is the final farewells and who was inadequacy. secretary of state they're gonna irony standing in for the pope has difficulty or nothing they didn't send me. i couldn't find in, in sensing because he is the 6 estate and number 2 in the vatican. the equivalent, i suppose, you could say of the foreign minister in the background. their eyes caught

a glimpse of the german state president frank. but to shine my cramps, we'll see another glimpse in the moment. he's sitting in the front, he's heading the german dedication. oh and there's a book open on the car. yes i'm, i'm not apps at 100 percent certain and that's why i'd rather not say there is a sky then this organ ah saying i'm not a 100 percent certain. i believe that the book on the coffee no, i will. i will venture to say,

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renting prefect, to the congregation phase for that period to a and applause from among the pricing to some people. but ultimately with their solemn attorney general is also for christians, a joyous occasion or

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scenes of jubilation. at the end of the rec room, unusual for in many religions perhaps. but it is very much in the christian tradition, certainly in the catholic tradition, the belief that life is not taken away, but life has changed in this. coughing,

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find a seminary in the private cameras. it's very, very with cities, no room done there for televisions. you're watching the special program on the date of the news that i'm still with me in the studio is set john berry up at the election jersey. and the 620000, events live giambi there, but the book nurses a requested a simple funeral. who so tens of thousands of people. that's a b 2 square. then including foreign dignitaries. i'm impressive. was it simple? i suppose it's a relative word. i think benedict himself hated the word if he was a great,

a great enemy of what he called the dictatorship of relativism. but i think yes, relatively speaking, it was a very simple, i mean in comparison with the ceremonies which accompany the death of the city. and ah, number, so i can do 12 at coffin barrels, said m, because that's best quite a wait in a g of hope. it is quite a way to tell whether it's a very heavy solid cedar a coffin and it's placed in a, in a, in an, in the zinc coffee, which is even heavier, of course, and then box. and and this is interesting and historical not just for the fact that there were there were 2 hopes of taking part one presiding on one in the coffin,

but also at the fact that that the current vote in ill health as he is he had to have a deputy to standing for is the secretary of state, or cardinal tourney, that stood in for him well at the altar for the main prayer of the eucharist. but the pope presided himself did preside, and he, he stood for considerable time for a man whom we know at experience is excruciating pain. when he stands, as we saw at the end of the ceremony, very quickly, they wheeled a wheel chair up to him so that he was able to sit again and not of affection as we would expect. after feeling that a lot of affection for the folk lot of puzzle of affection for the pope amerisys from pope francis took us through what he said about you said pete assessor insurance. well he, he spoke about his tremendous confidence in god. i think this has been the,

the main point that he made, that he was that benedict was a very kind man and a noble at figure out who, who trusted god and was beaten to his it to his vision of god. am vanity was, you know, i mean, considered by many people to be rather divisive. and i think that that is only half the story. he, i think it's, it's, it's, it's rather too steep to were to simply think of him as being a strict ppo. but this is something that we will talk about, i think a little bit later trying to give a more nuanced view in man. so and now as you say his is being a taken down to be entered in that the former in the former to visit bush predecessor and john port saint john paul at the 2nd just explained to us out, wow, that's come about. well,

her hopes are generally buried in the grotto beneath the basilica. but the pope john paul, the 2nd, has been enormously popular and he was declared to st in record times, or as it were on the fast track her and her. if you go to rome and go to saint peters, you will see at almost any time of the of the day or until it is closed in the evening. you will see people praying at his tomb. and that would of course be impossible. they left in this mortal remains of processor as when he was declared a st is mortal, remains were brought up into the basilica and the chapel, the side chapel of san sebastian was converted for the purposes so that he is his, my mortal remains. are there to relic is of course,

particularly popular in his native holland. or there are passed loads of a polish pilgrims who regularly go to rome or to pray at his grave. m, m m. yes, i was saying earlier that it's a he was thought to me rather device to figure that you know, one of the interesting things about benedict was that he reached out as perhaps no other pope in the past had done. he reached out to other religious communities which is hardly something one would expect of somebody has the reputation of being a conservative in a rigid traditionalist. i was with him in istanbul, when he in 2006 and, and he visited the church of the hagi, sophia,

the holy wisdom. it's called the mother church that was of the of the orthodox church. it's no longer that it was secularized. and i took and see him, but he was in there and then to our surprise was not on the agenda at all. and he said he would like to visit the mosque next to the blue mosque. and as a customer with muslims, he, he removed his shoes and went to the mosque and trade there. it's not the, not the action a man that was going to be a rabbit conservative, which i'm very, thank you so much for that. are you watching d. w news where we've been covering at the funeral of the like pope benedict presided over by the current pope francis or john barrick,