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wanting to a foreign planet in the 16th century, it meant being a captain and setting sail to discover a route. a race linked to military interests, a race linked to political than 2 minutes replace it. also linked to my financial and adventure full of hardships, dangers, and death. but jillions journey around the world starts january 19th on d, w. time and again, the west has vowed to support ukraine for as long as it takes and to do everything and its power to help it fend off rushes attacks. but since the war started, everything has proven to be a rather fluid concept for germany and started with $5000.00 helmets. 11 months later,
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berlin is providing infantry fighting vehicles and air defense systems. but so far, germany's everything does not include battle tanks, poland, the nato country, wedged between hesitant germany and war torn ukraine has now offered to provide keith with german made lepper to tanks. but only if others do so too. while germany has left pondering its options, poland wants to get things moving, and that's no wonder, really, ukraine's neighbor fears it may otherwise be next on putin's list. i'm nichol for ocean berlin and this is the day ah, it was a thank you prison. due to the polish government and all of our polish friends thought about germany will not go to line. germany will always remain united with its friends and allies. it's almost the same. we will be doing that to load with nation talk can,
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can we have your thanks thrust for to bring there is no distinctive. yes, ukraine should go to get all the necessary military equipment. they need stupid. there's a difference between making your decision for yourself and preventing the decision of others. the longer it takes to make this decision, the more people who died. oh, also coming up the diplomatic dance around nato expansion, after decades of neutrality, finland and sweden. now want in, so why is turkey saying, you know, when it comes to enlarging the nato military alliance, the turkish government has been presenting itself for months. the gatekeeper, who doesn't let anyone in welcome to the show. we begin another day with a relentless battle for control of ukraine's eastern towns of back, moot and solo. dar ukraine says its troops are holding the line amid a difficult situation. russian forces are also reporting stubborn pockets of
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resistance as they mount assault. after assault reports from the front describe a battle field strewn with bodies in a region of debatable strategic importance. still, after nearly a year of fighting the kremlin has made capturing the area around by mood, its primary objective for as an invalid and re zalinski as promising his forces that they'll be armed with everything they need to keep russian troops at bay. when that's a tough promise to deliver on, especially when it comes to the most advanced western weaponry, nato member, poland is now offering to supply ukraine with german made battle tanks. but only as part of an international coalition. the announcement follows talks between polish president on j, duda and ukraine's viola theresa lensky on wednesday. experts believe the sophisticated tanks could prove decisive in keys attempts to push back the russian invasion. the pledge ramps up the pressure on germany, which has so far,
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refused to deliver the advanced tanks to ukraine. for feel, ukraine needs heavier weapons that has been, keeps message to its western allies for months. on top of the list, the german built levered to battle tank. so far, western nations have been reluctant, fearing further escalation with a new killer armed russia. but that might be all about to change. over 13 darcia to be sure, we have decided that the moment for poland to decisively support ukraine has comes with throwing force k. now stumpy, a company of lep tags will be handed over as part of a coalition, low bother her grandma would go on your car. you'd see the offer from poland. president on j. duda is a welcome one for keith. but there's a catch without germany's approval of the nations cannot supply leopard tanks to
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ukraine. poland coal for an international coalition to deliver the weapons piles additional pressure on german chancellor, olaf schultz. so far he's been reluctant to commit but as russia claims it's making fir, the gains in easton, ukraine. keith says berlin's foot dragging is costing lives on the law. oh, near the transfer of weapons, we'll end this war leadership. otherwise the war will go on and on. luxury, you know, we'll ukrainian cities will be destroyed, hash and ukrainian people killed as well, but we will definitely keep going to the end of the but it's just that the costs will be very high. oliphant love, poland, and other nato allies are leaning ever harder on the german chancellor to change his tune. a while the discussion about leopard battled hangs continues what has already been agreed as the delivery of mazda infantry fighting vehicles. the german army is currently using these light tank as part of nato's very high readiness
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joint task force. german defense minister christina lumber, to visit at the unit today. she had this to say about the question of leopard battle tanks inch. i don't know that there's no decision, so we aren't thinking about the question marker oh, we've always been quick and implementing decisions without tillery, with air defense, and now with infantry fighting vehicles have. and that's why the government hasn't yet taken a decision on battle tanks as latency and shied on the comp hunter is into a bundle wiki of michigan. and it's my pleasure to welcome johan is, are now he's a german parliamentarian for the governing social democrats and a member of the defense committee. he's also a former air force officer. am i am not mistaken. and a veteran of german missions to afghanistan. and molly, welcome to the w. it's such a pleasure having you here with me, you are a veteran. you know how important it is to be properly equipped when going into a battle. why does germany not provide ukraine with battle? teens?
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we are very, very much different lines of ration on the 1st time vis turned over the ukraine, people in solidarity and see every day of this horrible war that were sacrificed all the losses and the crisis i made to her to keep their country going and her to resist the russian oppressor. and on the other hand, we also have arguments that we promised to deliver with tightened vendor and also to re strengthen our military capabilities of re stocker restock it after a period of decades of under funding. and so we also have to take into consideration if he is deliver weapons. and this was also an argument over all the year. that if, if we have weapons that we do not need in the forces because it's very hard to buy a new systems. and to get also a re stalking an appropriate amount of time. so you are saying that germany would deliver battle tangs, if it had spare battle tanks. you mean,
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i have to say our hope was switched now from the national missions you named i took pardon to collect us defense and territorial defense. that means we have to serve and missions like the v, j t f, as you already named with our equipment as a bonus that is short on material we have decades of undefended funding behind us is going to change. but now we're delivering the mazda in fi vehicles and they are coming out of the stock of the force in the great political signal. but as well, it could also be a weakening of our forces because would be very hard to. yeah, to resupply with new land systems in a considerable amount of time, but right now germany doesn't need them. ukraine needs them. we also need them because we have to secure our east on flank and poland under the nato border is where we defend for freedom and security and peace in europe. but doesn't what britain's military gets closer to the eastern flank. the more he's allowed to advance in ukraine, doesn't he?
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so wouldn't it be in our best interest, as well as nato countries to send these battle tanks into ukraine to keep russia at bay? i think you can move the help because the bill of things would increase the assertiveness of the systems. it would help the sort of survive ability and sure it would make a difference on the lent domain for the battle. this is for sure, but we also have to make sure that the sustain our capabilities, those or soldiers could be trained, that we can also serve our obligations that we have towards the needle. and i have a little bit of the fear must be calculated very good through and we have to make an industrial deal with the industry that the increase of production capacity is that we can deliver systems to the ukraine and also get system spec for forces that also just could be trained and also serve the other tasks, letting me zalinski address the bonus tac last year. and after the address that you were present for, you rode on instagram that it became clearer than ever to you that germany needed
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to do anything in its power to immediately. and the war. is that what is happening right now? we do, a lot of germany is one of the most generous or spenders, an age for the ukraine. we spend 12000000000 yours in the last year. and if you see the system where we come from the firm, a security policy per editing that we don't deliver weapons in any crisis areas. so we now deliver, it says for pulse, howard serves the delivery and aircraft tanks. we delivered a lot of systems, not even the bonus to have a lot of do a lot. everything that could be done right? yes. but all of shawls, also certain as for wolf, when he explained his ukrainian polar ukraine policy to the parliament. but it's also important that he also can sustain all missions that we have to sustain. and that's our constitutional task that we have to do. and we also have to look as a defense committee that one of her can still do their task, their same to now the greens, the liberals who are both part of the governing coalition that your social
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democrats are, of course, leading, as well as the opposition say that well actually has been so hesitant because he's intimidated by pollutant is that the reason is that for fear of retaliation, that is, is making germany so so slow and so hesitant to take the lead. maybe also in these kinds of move are not at all. i would say that all our shows as a leader, a leader that are very carefully overlooking the options because used before he's taking a decision. and i don't think this is weakness. this is a strengths and we've decided in the past months to deliver very important capabilities to break the russian cam dominance, especially in the artillery domain and with the at hilary capabilities. and i think it's very worth thinking over. but before we deliver this kind of platforms to ukraine, he takes a long time to ponder. there used to be a time when other countries used to look to germany for guidance writer to see what
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germany was doing and then calibrate what they would do for germany to take the step. now, it seems the other way around that germany will only make a move if you know the us or france makes a move 1st. what does that tell us about germany's leadership position on the, you know, international scene? i think we had or, or was a very restrained foreign policy. that is our tradition. this is going to change because other countries expect us to be a leader in europe and to take the 1st steps. that's completely right. but we also have a value of multilateralism and our foreign security policy. that means that we coordinate with other big european countries. what we're going to deliver, and as you did with us, is heated with friends with great britain and are now. so the decision came to deliver patriot and also the motto vehicles. however, i have to say it again. it should not, the forces should not be stripped for this because we have also our own security interests or own tasks that need to be are done. the honest al member of the german
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parliament for the social democrats, thank you so much for your time tonight. still to come on the day a political headache for joe biden and maybe a legal one with more classified documents found this time in his garage. i material next year were, what were you people, by the way, my corvettes in the lock rush. okay. so it's not like to should not street ah, rushes invasion of ukraine almost a year ago as acted as a catalyst for formerly neutral countries, sweden and finland to seek nato membership. $28.00 of the military alliance is 30 members, have ratified the 2 countries, accession leaving only turkey and hungry as holdouts. officials seem confident that hungary will eventually agree leaving turkeys. president richard type air to one as the chief obstacle, but not every one in turkey as opposed to this latest expansion and one man in
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istanbul as a particularly inclusive approach. johan has more. this unassuming, local restaurant is an institution. in istanbul, nato serves traditional turkish dishes and it's been doing so since 1952, the me in turkey joined the nato military alliance. oh, methodist church is the boss here. and he is proud that he's restroom is so popular with locals and foreigners and like, everyone is welcome to join his nato. he says, restaurants, you, my customers come from all around the world. from japan on to china, finland to sweden from germany, the u. s. her sort of not every one can join the nato ally, and this is not on, but in my nato. not that no one gets turned away. i guess get over this,
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dropped the gallery. that tacky is famous for its hospitality at the highest political level. however, the world is currently experiencing quite the opposite when it comes to enlarging the nato military alliance. the turkish government has been presenting itself for months as a gatekeeper who doesn't let anyone in russia's war against ukraine has raised major security concerns in europe. that is why countries like sweden and finland, which have long been opposed to nato membership, now want to join. but all nato members have to agree to this. and this is exactly how turkish president, reggie ty, it out on is putting on the brakes. he accuses sweden and finland of been to lenient with groups that uncross considers terrorists including the cottage militant p, k k, which is also on the list of terrorist organizations. the cook,
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ludden forgot the countries where p k. k. members can run riot in the streets, was held, hold rallies under police protection, and extort significant sums of money that should not become nato members up why the saw this would not benefit nato at all. it rather, it undermines its values. edwin blames kurdish militant for attacks and turkey such as the bombing and it's stumble. he says sweden and finland harbouring people with links to terrorist groups and has demanded extradition to turkey. finland and sweden have promised to take the turkish concerns seriously and to do more against kurdish extremists in their countries. but experts think that ad once continued obstruction also has to mystic political reasons before elections wants to or nurture image
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as a copy to national negotiations. that advances churches cause and supports all the much the constituents and there will be no right to nature marching on to elections. the next presidential election in turkey is going to be held by june 2023. so they were still a lot of time for many uncertain things to happen. but restaurant owner, maybe the us to go knows one thing for sure. in his nato, the door will always remain open to everyone. my next guest is tony atlanta. he's a senior research fellow at the finish institute of international affairs is areas of expertise include turkeys, relations with the west, and his latest book called turkeys, foreign policy narratives,
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implications of global power shifts. welcome to the day, mr. eller on to tell me how we get the frustration in sweden and finland with turkey right now. well, it's that leading, breathing every month or every week. now the thing is stuck and yeah, we haven't had to, it's more, it's not the only problem. the finished politicians, but from european politicians as well. so i guess there is frustration in other major countries as well. we heard about the p k. k issue in the report. is that really the only reason? turkey continues to box women, finland from joining nato. no, i don't think that that's the only reason i don't even think that we don't belong to are there the only issues on it? only partially partially about mr. mr. argon and also using
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this delaying tactics in order to pressure the u. s. in particular, and especially in terms of y b g, the seriana, curtis group, that is related to the p k. k. i missed this fighting again. this is syria. this has been over 10 years now, a problem in us circus relationship. and turkey is definitely using this delaying tactics in general, this issue as well. and then there is the question of a fighter yet that the us is, has be reluctant to sell. so all of these things need to be sued out here. the larger picture. is it relevant at all that aired on is somehow trying to position himself as a mediator in the ukraine war does. he maybe also not want to upset putin by allowing for an expansion of nato. well,
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we cannot cross. contemplate on that issue as well. i don't think there has been any deals between the booth and there are on. but the point is that turkey sees the whole global political view very differently from other countries. it's one key, it's a balanced bullied policy regarding russia irrespective of the war. so there is a major difference here regarding the i don't i do members. so you're saying this is mostly power play. is he actually planning on ratifying these 2 countries at some point, or is he just going to drag it out until they possibly eventually give up? or this all becomes the fart? well, like i would tend to agree with the previous comment or that we need to the election. now what will happen afterwards. but of course, this is also
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a domestic tool showing that base regarding the p k. shoot and showing up against the us and the rest in general. these are things that can enhance popularity among the nationalists and conservative waters. i still think tend to think that there will be because you will come at some point. this may still take time on twitter, i read that you say that in turkey, demands breach sweeter sovereignty. how so? well this was in reference to the fact that the lender suite is new. foreign minister visitors are off. he was told that sweden, the government should always run a court. this isn't meant by the supreme court, the suited supreme court that rejected the extradition of one particular person
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from the golden movement. and of course, this is a bridge of sewer in the, in the sense that we have these are separation of powers principal here in finland and sweden, our government's even if there would like do. they cannot overrun a software. gorgeous is us. and of course, service authorities noticed very well. oh, this is just their way of playing this game. daniela ranter, the finish institute of international affairs. interesting stuff. thank you so much for your time. you're welcome. ah, it investigators. here's an individual that's been in office for more than 40 years . here's an individual that sat on 60 minutes. that was so concerned about president trump's documents locked in behind. and now we find it just as a vice president, keeping it for years out the open in different locations. that was the u. s. house speaker, kevin mccarthy, putting the whole to on president joe biden. in september. it was fine and slamming
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donald trump for keeping classified documents and his private residents morrow. lago. he asked how any one could be that irresponsible? well, looks like he just gave himself the answer. after his 8th discovered sensitive documents at a former office of his in washington, he to day acknowledged that another one had been found at his personal library and embarrassment for the president and kept them for the g o. p. people know i take clash 5 documentary classify material seriously. i also said we're cooperating fully completed the justice department review as part of that process. my lawyers reviewed other places, word documents and my of from my time as voice pression were stored and they finished the review. last night they discovered a small number of documents of classified marketing storage years in file cabinets in my home. in my, in my, my personal library years attorney general mary garland has now appointed
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a special council to investigate the matter. and i asked the w, washington correspondent, mckayla clifton, what more she knew about these documents we know that they were classified, but we know very little about what they exactly contain. what exactly the level of classification was. we know that we're talking about more than 10 documents, but not hundreds, as was the case in donald trump, where whole boxes of classified documents that were carried out of mar largo and as far as the legal process is concerned, there is now the special council, which highlights that the attorney general garner is taking this very seriously elevating this whole case actually to the level where he actually was in the investigation with donald trump. he came out with a statement not taking any questions, saying that this was so sensitive and of such importance. that he felt that this was merited, despite the fact that he was confident that the department of justice could have
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dealt with this without a special counsel. so it is drawing for attention not many documents in 2 locations and do biden's team himself indicated that indeed those documents were in a private office used by joe biden, after he finished being vice president. so this was several years ago. and finally, british guitar legend jeff beck has died at the age of $78.00. his family says he passed away peacefully at home after contracting bacterial meningitis, jeff beck rose to prominence as a member of the yard for in the sixties and 2009, he was inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame for a 2nd time. although artists have been paying tributes to legacy with sir rod stewart saying he was on another plan. beck earned a reputation as an innovator with tracks like back full arrow,
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